K&R if you think the founder of wikileaks is a hero

[howard112211]

and if you agree that exposing classified documents, if they contain proof of actual crimes being committed by elected officials, or proof of warcrimes or crimes against humanity, should not be punishable by law. And if you agree that Obama is violating his campaign promise of government transparency if he allows this guy to be prosecuted.

[Junkdrawer]

1. K&R

[liberalmike27]

125. And the Guy is a Hero

It isn't just about this, but about showing more of the results of the war they condone, Americans that is. Clearly Americans are getting off way too easy, not hearing and seeing the handiwork of their terrible decisions to go to war.

This was a particularly bad case, where they were so far away and shooting into a crowd of unarmed people, but just war itself is so sanitized these days. Back in Vietnam, at least we occasionally saw a wounded person, and we'd hear the consequences of our own soldiers.

These days if you hear anything, it's the "glorified soldier" tale.

[Leopolds Ghost]

134. According to the WashPost, Obama wants to put a soldier away 20 yrs for filming a massacre of Iraqis

Helicopter shooting up 20 civilians.

You know, everyone who runs is a terrorist. Everyone who stands still is a well-disciplined terrorist.

Post also says Obama wants to prosecute twice as many cases as Bush and previous presidents combined, the article was entitled "deep anger over disclosures" meaning Obama views whistleblowers (like my late father) as criminals. and the Post dryly notes that Democrats would have probably strung Bush up for the same actions.

[Leopolds Ghost]

136. Re: whistleblowers and MMS

A family member of mine spent the last 10-15 years of his life whistleblowing against MMS and royalty-gate, the theft of billions of dollars in oil royalties from Indian tribes and the Department of Interior (which runs both MMS and Indian Affairs) willfully and publically defying (under Clinton and Bush) a contempt of court ruling by a federal judge in a $6 billion dollar verdict, followed by subsequent sex and bribery allegations driven by MMS' long association as a farm league for the oil industry, a subject that most Dems are only now hearing about. He didn't get anywhere with fellow dems on the subject, when he was alive.

[TheKentuckian]

2. K&R

[Sebastian Doyle]

3. Somebody needs to tell the fucking truth out there

And the Whore media obviously isn't interested in the job.

[Maat]

26. +1

Well-said.

[dorkulon]

4. K&R

[Hannah Bell]

5. kr

[librechik]

6. hero indeed--

I worry, because we just recently released an Australian man who was said to be a terrorist--we rendered him right off the street! and held him, I think, about 4 years over the Al Qaeda threat. So this poor guy is really risking his life and freedom to deliver the truth. He could be disappeared at any moment.

[Lucian]

7. K&R

[Ian David]

8. K&R! n/t

[Soylent Brice]

9. K&R for everything but your last sentence.

you do realize the Pentagon has been out to get this guy since shrub was in office, don't you?

[howard112211]

11. hmm, but

since shrub is now out of office, can't the policy be changed? :shrug:

[Soylent Brice]

24. sure it can. but

the likelihood of the Pentagon, or the CIA for that matter, going along with the plan, is a different story altogether.

i am all for this guy doing what he does.

[cui bono]

67. What difference does that make? Doesn't change the fact that Obama is not keeping his promise.

He is not giving us transparency in govt.

When are we finally going to elect someone who stands up for the people?

[truedelphi]

92. The tipping point might be here.

We can keep doing what we did before, (hmm, the definition of insanity comes to mind) or we can work to move into high gear such that the two party system collapses under its Centrist whore-mongering weight.

[intheflow]

10. K&R for a true hero!

:patriot:

[Raine1967]

12. Was he charged with anything?

There are an awful lot of clarifiers here in this OP.

What violation of campaign promises are happening? There is a soldier being held in Kuwait. I know the story, but I think this is REALLY jumping the gun.

No charges have been filed. Not on the soldier, nor for the founder of Wikileaks.

I have no problem with WikiLeaks, but I have a problem with the premise of this OP. There are an AWFUL lot of assumptions being made here.

[howard112211]

13. My assumption is that this guy will be put under jail if caught.

Unless there is sufficient pressure to the contrary.

[Hydra]

15. Jail if he's lucky

I'm betting a bullet or rendition is more likely.

[texastoast]

14. K&R n/t

[The_Commonist]

16. I was about nine years old when the Pentagon Papers were released.

My father was an editor at the New York Times, and although he didn't do any of the editing on that, he did cover for the guys who were holed up in a hotel room who did do the editing.

Shortly after the Times started printing it, the FBI came to our house. My parents had me present in the room, and I suppose it was to show them that my father was a nice, family guy. The Feds asked questions, and I don't think my father said much of anything. I thought it was SO cool!

As I got older, and came to understand what Ellsberg and Sheehan and the Times had done, my thinking was always "well OF COURSE they did the right thing!" Maybe it was partially my upbringing, partially my nature. I will always root for honesty and transparency and justice.

I watched the "Wikileaks Video" of the helicopter shortly after it came out, and I thought "this is the Pentagon Papers of this war." I don't know what else they have, but I hope it's good, and I hope it makes a difference...

[tomg]

132. Thank you to your father for his

integrity and decency and courage.

[The_Commonist]

140. He was an old-school journalist.

He was horrified at what the NYTimes had become, in the age of Judith Miller et al.

[go west young man]

149. Back when the Times had a spine... these days the CIA has infiltrated

I believe. Leaving them insignificant. The internet is the only way to go now.

[Grey]

17. O K...... K&R

[scarletwoman]

18. Okay - K&R. I'll always be on the side of truth tellers. (nt)

[me b zola]

19. K&R

[hwmnbn]

20. one more K&R

[stray cat]

21. just like the heroic Cheney exposing CIA operative Valerie Plane

i think it depends on context.

[metapunditedgy]

79. And I like the contexts Wikileaks has chosen so far, and I hope it chooses a lot more

contexts.

The Plame case was just an attempt to hurt Wilson/Plame.

[flyarm]

84. I will never believe the outting of Valerie Plame and Joe was "Just an attempt to Hurt Wilson/Plame

I believe it was just as much about stopping what Valerie was working on..to keep Cheney's plans and illegal actions under cover !!!!!!!!!!!!

[KansDem]

128. I agree...

I think if Plame had continued, she would have discovered the nefarious business dealings of CheneyCo. I think it was all about maintaining the status quo of "business as usual" in the mid-east...

[liberation]

137. Regardless of context, it is a very false analogy trying to correlate wikileaks and their MO

with the partisan abuse of power conducted by Cheney in outing an intelligence asset.

[glinda]

22. I don't know if he has released much more of anything so cannot say.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. Indeed. K&R

[glitch]

25. K & R nt

[Mojeoux]

27. No thinking allowed!!!

[timtom]

28. Absolutely!!!

May he long elude the predators.

[nashville_brook]

29. oh yeah!

[bc3000]

30. K&R

[Capitalocracy]

31. Count me in. K&R. Nuff said.

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[proReality]

32. K&R n/t

[WillyT]

33. HUGE K & R !!!

:kick:

[laughingliberal]

34. K & R nt

[Spheric]

35. K&R /nt

[guruoo]

36. K&R - everything but the last sentence

Ya kinda slipped a little poison pill in there, didn't cha?

[mojowork_n]

37. K, R, and K... n/t

[jwirr]

38. K&R

[L0oniX]

39. K & R

[wysi]

40. agreed

K & R

[amborin]

41. K&R

[Michigan-Arizona]

42. K&R

[UpInArms]

43. somethings are more important than anything else - the truth

falls in that category.

thanks to wikileaks!

[williesgirl]

44. definitely K&R

[mike_c]

45. "sunlight is the best disinfectant...."

eom

[theFrankFactor]

46. +1

[wildbilln864]

47. k

&r! :hi:

[RoccoR5955]

48. K & R.

[girl gone mad]

49. k & r

don't get caught.

[MissDeeds]

50. Yepper

K&R

[mmonk]

51. .

:kick:

[slipslidingaway]

52. knr nt

[bertman]

53. K & R. nt

[whatacountry09]

54. I do, I do and I do!

I do agree that the founder of Wikileaks is a hero, I do agree that if there is proof in exposing those classified documents that there is proof of actual crimes by elected officials or proof of warcrimes from say our former elected officials or crimes against humanity should NOT be punishable by law, and I do also agree that Obama is violating his campaign promise of government transparency if he allows this guy to be prosecuted or killed. I further believe that those that are exposed should be prosecuted because nobody should be above the law... especially elected officials! I also think that Mr. Obama has violated a lot of campaign promises and I am now 'hopeless'. I strongly felt that if anyone could've changed this country... it would've been him. However, I have seen nothing but the major issues I supported him on... not change at all and in some instances - they've gotten worse.

But, I come to realize and accept more and more that we really don't have a say anyway because our country is no longer a democracy and hasn't been for a long while now. It is all a delusion now.

So... I 'try' not to read my news websites (obviously that's not working out too well for me) and live my life not thinking about all the corruption going on because I know that unless every single American unites as one and fights to take our country back - there is NO HOPE. Simply electing someone who currently is in government is useless. Nobody - democrat NOR republican really does a thing for the people... it's all about the almighty dollar and power now. And even if we get Alan Grayson in there (who actually IS on our side right now)... "they" (whoever 'they' are) will show him the way and he will turn out just like Obama anyway.

So... I vote to repeal the 22nd Amendment and bring back Bill. At least he can get us out of debt and take care of our environment the way it should be... and he was gonna take care of health care.

And... I myself, do not know specifically who "they" are, but 'they' are the same people George Carlin used to 'teach' about, but nobody really took him to be serious because he was a comedian. And so... Americans still don't and never will really get it.

So... live in the moment - enjoy your life in the moment - spend time with family and friends doing fun things and bonding and try to stop thinking about all these things we cannot change. :grouphug:

[defendandprotect]

55. Agree . . . we're always finding out very late as it is ....

Michael Moore has woken up a lot of Americans -- but well after

the damage has been done --

because it's all hidden behind the lies of "national security" -- !!

[truedelphi]

93. I have thought about this issue of "National Security" a lot lately

If it is true that 80 % of the oil that BP normally pulls out of the Gulf is destined for the military, then maybe that is why Obama didn't speak out about the falsification of the numbers of barrels that were ending up in the Gulf rather than in the gas pumps at some military installation.

And probably, any catastrophe related to oil canbe explained to a sitting President as a matter of "National Security."

[defendandprotect]

131. Well, certainly makes obvious that currently without oil there can't be wars . . . .

so oil does become a "national security" issue for MIC -- intelligence.

Did you ever see the movie "3 Days of the Condor" -- think that's the name of

it. Robert Redford and Faye Dunaway -- great movie. Sad, but great.

Think it was based on a book -- maybe "60 Days of the Condor"??

I always mean to look it up, but forget.

Re Obama -- to tell you the truth I don't know what the hell is going thru his mind --

especially with Rahm have such access to him.

I don't know what was more shocking -- his comment: "Oil rigs these days don't spill"

or his new one: "The Gulf will bounce back"!!



:)

[truedelphi]

144. Agree very much.

I think I saw "Three days of the condor" maybe fifteen times or so.

And after having not seen it in a couple of years, I would probably watch it again tonight if it was on.

Anything any president says, I am all "Well, it probably will be the exact OPPOSITE of that."

[Oldtimeralso]

56. K & R and proud to help the truth to be revealed. n/t

[Voice for Peace]

57. k&r

[unkachuck]

58. K&R....n/t

[Bonobo]

59. Unquestionably a brave, brave hero. nt

[spelldmilk]

60. K&R

[Subdivisions]

61. K & R for some truth. n/t

[highplainsdem]

62. K&R

[donheld]

63. k & R

[orbitalman]

64. K&R

[TroglodyteScholar]

65. K/R

[Skratchez]

66. K&R

[dlfuller]

68. K&R

of course

[MrMickeysMom]

69. + infinity

I hope the witness protection plan is alive and well.

Kicked and Recommended to infinity

[colsohlibgal]

70. K&R!

Totally!

[Q3JR4]

71. K&R indeed.

Q3JR4.

[Truth2Tell]

72. knr

[JohnnyHardhat]

73. K&R Just saw Ellsberg on CSPAN from 2002 speak..

..just before the start of the war in Iraq and he paid homage to the many leakers at the time that were providing documents and info against the Bush/Cheney Corp's "intelligence" releases and propaganda for going to war. He called for other Americans to do what is morally right in the face of potentially life-shattering consequences and release docs if they contradicted the government's assertions. The Wikileaks site is now providing just such information to the American people, much more than our shit traditional news, he is a hero. Unfortunately and wrongly he's been targeted by the "Justice" Department. What happened to the change we worked and voted for??? Meet the new boss...

[WheelWalker]

87. Yes. Ellsberg knows the cost.

[prairierose]

74. another k& r n/t

[Odin2005]

75. Rec 199!

[Lugnut]

76. K&R n/t!

[Maru Kitteh]

77. k & r

[mitchum]

78. K&R

[lutherj]

80. Of course he's a hero. If you don't understant that, then what are you doing

on DU?

[spiritual_gunfighter]

81. Big time K&R for that guy

I hope Daniel Ellsberg is wrong and the US isn't trying to assassinate him.

[LiberalLovinLug]

82. big kick

out of the park

[William Z. Foster]

83. knr nt

...

[Greyhound]

85. K&R

[flyarm]

86. Absolutely! K&R n/t

[ooglymoogly]

88. KR... tell me how this is different from the Russians and the the cold war we fought against

them only to become worse. And how is this any different than what the Nazi's did. These are crimes against mankind. These are dire warnings to an unsuspecting American populace. Thank god we still have men who do not cave to these raving lunatics. This country has been taken over by Dr. Strangelove clones.

[cory777]

89. K&R

[IOKIYAL]

90. Hero Addiction Is Dangerous To Progress

Hero gets thrown around too easily. Use with caution. And wait until that info gets into the wrong hands, I'd like to see what some of you say.

[saracat]

91. K+R

[colorado_ufo]

94. K&R

[Ken Burch]

95. K&R

We need leaks. Sometimes, they are the only thing that saves us.

[Spock_is_Skeptical]

96. K&R, well duh

wikileaks is awesome. ;)

[Judi Lynn]

97. K & R. n/t

[leveymg]

98. Yes, yes, and YES

[Canuckistanian]

99. K&R

[LawnKorn]

100. I want to know the secrets of why Bush lied us into war in the first place

[glinda]

153. I hope to gawd that is what he is sitting on.

[LawnKorn]

101. K&R

[annabanana]

102. Sterling plated brass ones on that guy. . . .n/t

[I Have A Dream]

103. K&R! nt

[Raster]

104. K&R! Bring it ALL into the light!

:kick:

[Autumn Colors]

105. Hope he's got copies stashed

... with trusted people in multiple locations with instructions to post every damned thing the second anything happens to him ... so matter what the "reported" circumstances (accident, murder, suicide, etc).

[Loki]

106. I'll gladly put my name on this one.

K&R

[caseymoz]

107. K&R: My guess is he'll be arrested and renditioned.

Wikilinks hasn't only offended the US, it has exposed secret corruption and abuse of power in other governments as well. My guess is the US will do the arresting and then have the founder formerly extradited to the country with the least respect for human rights. This will be done with all appearance of legality. Meanwhile, Faux and other propaganda outlets will turn up the agiprop against the guy to make him a universal criminal.

You see, they might just do all this "in secret," but to do that would be to assure that something else like wikilinks rises from the ashes. Instead, they want the person treated as painfully as possible with the supposed sanction of law and want him renounced universally, so they will orchestrate these for the appearance.

[Ohio Metal]

108. K&R

[90-percent]

109. Proud

Proud to be rec #300!

-90% Jimmy

[Buenaventura]

110. k&r

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

111. anything less is obstruction of justice

[Enthusiast]

112. K&R!

[Lost4words]

113. K & R!

[nyc 4 Biden]

114. K&R

[GoneOffShore]

115. Another kick

[truth2power]

116. Yes, I agree that he's a hero. And, I agree with the last sentence...

Our govt. is run by a criminal enterprise. Obama may have gotten his marching orders, or he may have signed on willingly, I don't know.

Nevertheless, someone needs to "out" the U.S. for it's crimes.

Good for Wikileaks!!


edit> typo again. Damn keyboard.

[niceypoo]

117. K&R

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[supernova]

118. KnR!

:kick:

[PurgedVoter]

119. K&R nt

[Ragrum]

120. K&R

Dang Right

[golddigger]

121. K&R

[dadzilla]

122. Thumbs up Wikileaks!

Wikileaks is a Hero because I hold a belief that a democracy cannot exist that is not willing to do whatever it does without the greatest degree of openness possible. We elect people to office and place our trust in them. Wikileaks acting as a Press keeps those leaders in line by exposing the action of those leaders.

[smoking357]

123. The Guy is a Hero

I worry more about him being assassinated than "punished."

If one of those documents details some cozy ties with Israel, the neocons or Mossad will just shoot him.

[Iggo]

124. Kick.

[KansDem]

126. K&R

[Hell Hath No Fury]

127. Whistleblowers do incredibly important work.

There is no government agency or person that is above being held accountable for their actions.

[HERVEPA]

129. Great article about him and his operation in the New Yorker

[freddie mertz]

130. I am proud to be rec number 360!

And to kick this, in honor of those risk their lives and safety to the the TRUTH OUT.

These are the true American Heroes.



:thumbsup: :kick: :patriot:

[earcandle]

133. oh yea... says a lot about our system that we need such a thing though.

[cloudythescribbler]

K & R -- no good deed goes unpunished, no revealed REAL truth unsuppressed

[cloudythescribbler]

135. K & R -- no good deed goes unpunished, no revealed REAL truth unsuppressed

[bikebloke]

138. K&R

[Smarmie Doofus]

139. 1: Yes; 2. Yes: 3. Absolutely.

>>>>>>>And if you agree that Obama is violating his campaign promise of government transparency if he allows this guy to be prosecuted.>>>>>>>

Obama may be guilty of more than "violating his campaign promise" if he prosecutes this guy.

[kath]

141. A MEGAhero!

[harun]

142. It won't always be pretty or what people want, but he is a courageous

hero.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

143. I wish I could rec this more than one time

[katandmoon]

145. K&R

[Taverner]

146. K&R

[zeos3]

147. K&R

[go west young man]

148. Definently an hero as is the young soldier that gave out the info.

We need more courageous people like them. They are fighting the real fight. The fight for truth.

[Poll_Blind]

150. Really, I don't think he's necessarily a hero but I recommended because...

...I think the work that WikiLeaks does, on the whole, is heroic.

Unfortunately neither Asange (sp?) nor WikiLeaks are without blemish.

However, they've both got a fuckload less blemishes than the shitbags they rat out.

PB

[hellsbeagle]

151. K & R

[lsewpershad]

152. DEFINITELY!!!!!!!!

[Blue Owl]

154. Exposing crime is the first step to prosecuting crime

n/t

[Hosnon]

155. K&R. nt.

[fl_dem]

156. K&R

[Bluenorthwest]

157. Kick because the truth is what sets us freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[louslobbs]

158. They would kill this guy if

K&R If our government had a chance to kill this guy before all of this publicity, I believe they would have..........our government (unfortunately) cannot be trusted to do what it right and often, secretly does what is wrong at the expense of we the people while protecting them, the corporate people and military machine. What a messed up game this is and we have no choice but to play. I guess in the end it's all about how you play this game.

[Kitty Herder]

159. K&R

[Silent3]

160. While I believe there are legitimate limited reasons...

...for official government secrecy, too often secrecy is used to hide dirty deals, incompetence, and information needed by the public in order to make informed decisions. I applaud anyone who works against the abuse of secrecy.

[blue_roses_lib]

161. K+R. n/t

:kick:

[taught_me_patience]

162. Hardy Kick!

These videos need to be seen... no matter how painful they are.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

163. Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours

[Quantess]

164. Too late to recommend.

Dammit!:kick: