How much oil does it take to ship all of our goods from China?

[happy_liberal]

As long as they plan on taxing us for polluting meanwhile all our goods are coming from China where Al Gore and Bill Clinton sent all of our jobs as well...I'm not listening.

When Al Gore is ready to come out and APOLOGIZE for sending all our jobs overseas meanwhile allowing unregulated pollution to continue ...somewhere else....you see we all breathe the same air, you can't just pollute over there and pretend we are not responsible.

When Al Gore is ready to start charging Walmart and Target and all of the other corporations that buy all their products overseas tax for their pollution then I won't mind paying more taxes...but that's not how it works...with 'free' trade they don't pay taxes that's why they all moved....

[happy_liberal]

1. and while I'm at it....

How much oil does it use to go to war?

When will these politicians start owning up to their own policies and the real cause of pollution and waste?

Instead, like everything else (9/11- they hate US for our freedom, gulf gusher-it's all our fault cause we drive)
they want to blame us, and then make us pay the price....again!

[defendandprotect]

14. Military uses most of the oil -- BP partners with government in WAR . . . !!!

[Ikonoklast]

2. Very little.

Bunker fuel is cheap, and ocean-going freighters haul massive loads for little in energy costs.


The Defense Dept. is the real culprit when it comes to oil use.

Number one single biggest user of petroleum on Earth is the DoD.

[happy_liberal]

4. Even if the fuel was free

All of our goods are coming from somewhere with little to no environmental regulations.

[ashling]

11. I understand that bunker fuel does not

burn very cleanly, thereby causing a lot more pollution.

I may be wrong, but that's what I remember ... :shrug:

[happy_liberal]

17. it figures

:grr:

[Deep13]

3. Short answer: a lot.

Al Gore doesn't have the power to "charge" anyone.

[happy_liberal]

6. Al Gore has the power to recognize a mistake and work to make it right

Has Al Gore mentioned pollution in China at all?

[Deep13]

9. I don't know. Was it my turn to watch him?

Again, you said he should "charge" Chinese importers. If he as a private citizen has the power to do that, then so do you. Why don't YOU charge these importers?

[happy_liberal]

13. I wasn't putting you on the spot- sorry- just asking in general

He no longer has the power to change policy, but he can certainly speak about it and he has the ear of many people.

[dmallind]

5. How much do we import from China? How much do we export?

What percentage of total imports and exports do these represent for each country? If they were replaced with domestic production in each case what would be the net change in energy consumption?

[happy_liberal]

7. That is a good question

and the answer might well be our solution to the pollution

[defendandprotect]

15. But opening up China provided profits for Bush, Kissinger, Eagleburger, etal . . . .

and in return for the trade and helping to wipe out jobs in America, they

also got to finance our debt!!

We can't pull the trade from China now . . . unless we began to stabilize our debt --

and China can't pull their support for our debt without sacrificing the trade.


Now, in the case of the Vatican ... we're financing their "faith-based" religious

organizations -- RCC has the majority of them -- and they are helping swing our elections

to the right! Another fair trade! Meanwhile, RCC also gets to pay off their pedophile

lawsuits!!


Mexico -- we let them finance our debt -- and provide trade/profits for elites.

They agree not to use their money to create jobs for Mexicans in Mexico!!


Ah -- the beauty of it all!!

[happy_liberal]

8. If the spent the stimulus building high speed electric trains

that sure would have saved a lot of oil


but it is always our fault, and we have to pay the price....always...

[defendandprotect]

10. Capitalism is a suicidal concept . . .

we have to stop judging everything by the yardstick of a dollar bill --

and profits!!

[happy_liberal]

16. and start with changing the idea that consumption is the goal in life

We have so much 'stuff' in the world already, it is time to just reuse. If everyone started shopping at thrift stores, ebay used purchases from other Americans, Amazon marketplace used items...almost everything you want is already out there somewhere in someone's closet or garage taking up space.

And then we need to stop wanting so much. Clearly money and things are not providing happiness because the evil greedy people just want more and more and are never happy. They key is being happy with what we have. And we have so much. If you look at the big picture, buying a 50lb bag of flour to eat for 2 months is so easy compared to what our ancestors had to go through. They would laugh at the stress filled consumption oriented death trap of a society we have created for ourselves.

[defendandprotect]

18. You're describing a new "60's youth revolution" ... it would be wonderful--!!!

The right wing tried to belittle it by calling it the "sexual revolution" --

it was in part -- but it was about much more --

Here's Mae Brussel on that --


"I realized that in this country we had a revolution--of housing, food, hair style, clothing, cosmetics, transportation, value systems, religion--it was an economic revolution, affecting the cosmetics industry, canned foods, the use of land; people were delivering their own babies, recycling old clothes, withdrawing from spectator sports. They were breaking the barriers where white and black could rap in 1967. This was the year of the Beatles, the summer of Sergeant Pepper, the Monterey Pop Festival, Haight-Ashbury, make your own candle and turn off the electricity, turn on with your friends and laugh--that's what life was all about."

http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Ballad%20of%20Mae%20Brussell.html

[happy_liberal]

21. my hero

"I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin the shift from a "thing-oriented" society to a "person-oriented" society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered.

A true revolution of values will soon cause us to question the fairness and justice of many of our past and present policies. n the one hand we are called to play the good Samaritan on life's roadside; but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho road must be transformed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life's highway."

[defendandprotect]

23. Completely agree . . . but who are you quoting?

[happy_liberal]

24. Martin Luther King Jr-

love that man! He was and is America's prophet and we still have much to learn from him...

I listen to him all the time
http://www.benfrank.net/nuke/Free_Peace_mp3s.html#mlk

[defendandprotect]

25. Sad I didn't recognize it .....

and a large part of it also sounds like the Nobel Prize scientists making the

same kind of plea for change to save the planet --

Thanks for the link -- I'll save it --

:)

[happy_liberal]

22. We need a new revolution- no doubt at all!

Wake up you ole hippies and wake up your children!!

[ClayZ]

12. In 2006 the US In 2006 US Military consumed 117 million barrels or 320,000 barrels per day.

http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/top_5_facts_on_us_military_oil_consumption.php

[happy_liberal]

19. whoa!

In 2006 Air Force consumed around 2.6 billion gallons of jet-fuel which is the same amount of fuel U.S. airplanes consumed during WWII (between December 1941 and August 1945). The mighty B52 bomber (pictured above) consumes 3300 gallons per hour, the F16 Falcon burns 800 gallons per hour and the KC-135 Statotanker an aerial refueling tanker aircraft consumes 2650 gallons per hour.

2) The Department of Defense is the single largest consumer of petroleum in the U.S and the US military is the biggest purchaser of oil in the world.

[KamaAina]

20. If it were a separate country, the Pentagon would rank 37th in oil consumption

ahead of Portugal. :eyes:

[WCGreen]

26. A good question... Kick and Rec