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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:05 PM Original message |
Did Capitalism Help the Poor in China from 1979 to the Present? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. It turned them into higher level consumers of earth's resources |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Global warming is a problem that needs to be dealt with |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Maybe the invisible hand will magically fend off the sun's rays |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Well.. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Too late for Mr.Ghan Zho, the Chinese River Dolphin |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
20. Not at all... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Got it! Industrialization did all the bad stuff and capitalism did all the good stuff! |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. Yeah, that's what I said...? |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:03 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Having recently re-read Paul Kennedy's Rise and Fall of the Great Powers |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
2. and the cost? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
3. First mistake |
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
140. I got stopped dead in my tracks on his first mistake |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
6. If demand is more then supply capitalism has some good effect. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
8. capitalism with fair regulations and rules is what created the middle class and made us prosperous. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
9. Did it help India? |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Actually, I would argue that it did. India is booming and its poor are doing much better. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 12:09 AM Response to Reply #17 |
72. This is what capitalism did for India: |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 03:55 AM Response to Reply #72 |
89. sounds similar to what it did for china: increased inequality, |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
11. more of this? |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Friedman Democrats. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. if you ever cracked a book other than Das Kapital, it worked just fine when it was regulated. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. It helped tremendously that for much of that time... |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
45. We were doing pretty good before that.. |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. LOL |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. i guess you can't dispute the facts... |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. what facts? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. prison and slave labor created our middle class due to the New Deal? i never knew! |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 10:36 PM Response to Reply #34 |
60. the other funny part is how miserably poor most of America is |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:34 AM Response to Reply #34 |
93. well, prison & slave labor created our original "middle class", that's for sure. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
46. Have you been to China? Have you talked to the average person there? |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 10:36 PM Response to Reply #46 |
62. I understand they are organizing |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #46 |
68. Yes, I have been to China |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 03:47 AM Response to Reply #68 |
88. That's something I noticed (in pictures) that surprised me. China is probably the world's biggest |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 03:37 AM Response to Reply #46 |
87. the "average" person? |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 08:42 AM Response to Reply #87 |
107. money shot n/t |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:24 AM Response to Reply #27 |
84. Precisely - so in lieu of facts countering your original reply all you're getting is a ton of "LOL"s |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #84 |
117. these cardbord cutout "comrades" are a gas... |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
12. Has it ever? Anywhere? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. it did pretty good 1930-1980, until greedy bastards fucked it up. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:33 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. It helped the poor? |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. The economy funds all tax reciepts... |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. other way around |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. What? |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 10:23 PM Response to Reply #31 |
56. nation states |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 11:38 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. Capitalism has existed long before the modern nation state... |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #66 |
71. we are not talking about the same thing |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 12:53 AM Response to Reply #71 |
76. What changed was the means of production... |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:20 AM Response to Reply #76 |
79. labor itself |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:50 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Well then we disagree... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:16 AM Response to Reply #81 |
92. "Competition" isn't a distinguishing feature of a capitalist economy either. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:19 AM Response to Reply #92 |
110. I never said competition was a distinguishing factor of capitalism... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #110 |
123. so, according to you, any business that produces less than the leading business in the field isn't |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #81 |
115. I think you misunderstood |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:04 AM Response to Reply #76 |
91. "Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production" |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #91 |
112. The defintion of capitalism isn't set in stone or even agreed upon... |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #112 |
116. I think it is a woodchuck |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #116 |
125. no, it's a vole! |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #112 |
124. it is by scholars who understand economics. it's not about my opinion. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:00 AM Response to Reply #66 |
90. "People made/collected/fabricated things and traded them at the market. That's capitalism." |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #90 |
111. They owned the means of production for making those things... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #111 |
118. as previously noted, private ownership of tools ("the means of production") isn't |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. What does a "prosperous economy" have to do with capitalism? |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:05 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Did I say they had a relation? |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Sure. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Sorry, my post was in reply to another poster, not the OP... |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 12:16 AM Response to Reply #21 |
73. I don't think you understand how fiat currencies work. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:10 AM Response to Reply #73 |
78. What does that have to do with my post? |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:56 AM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Fiat currency would have no value without taxation. |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #82 |
109. Why? |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 08:52 PM Response to Reply #109 |
131. "The ability of the government to delcare legal tender is what confers value to fiat money." |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. uh, yeah, when it was properly regulated in the New Deal Era, it created the bloody middle class. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:11 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. It shows a decline and a leveling out |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. i think we're talking past each other, frankly. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. That's becuse what existed in the 1950s |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:58 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. i will wholeheartedly agree with the term mixed economy. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 10:03 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. What is scary is when I went to school a generation ago |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 10:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. keynes has a take on this? i have to look this up. thanks! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 11:04 PM Response to Reply #53 |
65. It is part of the General Theory |
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William Z. Foster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 10:25 PM Response to Reply #25 |
58. wrong |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 01:20 AM Response to Reply #58 |
80. I wish I could K&R this post |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #12 |
63. Other side of the coin: EVERY economic system is about helping THE DECISION MAKERS. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 11:01 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. I thought Mao lived a workers life? NT |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #63 |
132. Whatever lets you sleep at night. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
16. Yes |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
23. How many times you going beat a dead horse? |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Until it ceases to produce profits by beating it. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. So inequity of that this type is better then the mass starvations of the Great Leap forward? |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. That makes very little sense even by your standards. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:53 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. It was a simple question... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 10:06 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. No, No, Probably, and who cares. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 10:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Really? THat has been the case in Europe? NT |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 12:56 AM Response to Reply #55 |
77. Read the news from Europe lately? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:59 AM Response to Reply #44 |
96. The glf was 8 years after the revolution, after ww2, japanese occupation, |
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conspirator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
29. You are not the first person or first time to come up with this SHIT PROPAGANDA |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. You may want to review Chinese history from 1850 to 1979. NT |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:17 AM Response to Reply #42 |
97. was china communist in 1850? who knew? here's some history for you: |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 07:10 AM Response to Reply #97 |
102. The pont was that the Chinese had long periods of suffering before 1979 and the changes Capitalism |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #102 |
121. "crushing anyone who questioned" = "stability"? complete reorganization of the economy = |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:34 PM Response to Reply #29 |
43. oh my god. i think you missed several centuries of history right there... |
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smalll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 12:52 AM Response to Reply #29 |
75. Yeah, "happy, small self-sufficient communities" - starving to death at 30 years old. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:33 AM Response to Reply #75 |
99. Under the communist government, Chinese life expectancy went from 47 to 66, and population doubled. |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 07:03 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. The Great Leap Forward was created by Mao's policies |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #101 |
119. Uh, no, "those other famines" were created by a combination of nature & imperial/imperialist |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
40. Does anyone remember your mom cautioning you against complaining |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
54. I Think It's Highly Amusing |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 10:23 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. I would agree |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 10:36 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. I Agree |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 05:32 AM Response to Reply #54 |
98. It wasn't capitalism that raised so many people out of poverty, |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 07:44 AM Response to Reply #98 |
103. "large-scale foreign investment" wouldn't that require capitalism. |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 08:10 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Right, but my point was it wasn't Chinese capitalism, |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 08:26 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. "but they're still largely owned, managed and operated by foreigners" |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #106 |
126. Foreign ownership is concentrated in the most advanced industries. |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #98 |
114. It is True That the Boom Was Caused by Foreign Investment |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #114 |
127. Foreign ownership share in the chinese economy is huge, & rising, not shrinking. |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 09:46 AM Response to Reply #127 |
138. How Can China's Economy Be Controlled Externally? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 08:59 PM Response to Reply #54 |
133. Even more amusing (or sad, depending on your POV), is confusing the investment in |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #133 |
139. Nobody is Confusing Those Two Things |
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conspirator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 09:14 AM Response to Reply #54 |
137. capitalism DIFFERENT from technological progress |
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okie (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
59. I think this question misses the point. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-29-10 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
67. What we have here isn't entrepreneurial capitalism |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 12:01 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. We have corporatism |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
69. The Earth weeps at the damage capitialism brings |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
74. Mao and the Reds sure as hell didn't. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:51 AM Response to Reply #74 |
85. no? |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 08:19 AM Response to Reply #85 |
105. Fifty million dead. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #105 |
122. 50 million? 10% of the population died from famine? only in the fantasies of right-wing scholars. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #122 |
128. Ahh, I forgot. You're not allowed to question a Dear Leader. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 08:14 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. uh, link to your 50 million figure? because here's what i find: |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 02:19 AM Response to Reply #129 |
134. I wonder if those totals included work camps and other events. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 02:34 AM Response to Reply #134 |
135. gee, here's what you said: |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 02:15 AM Response to Original message |
83. Capitalism didn't do that, building infrastructure and production capacity did that. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 08:53 AM Response to Reply #83 |
108. Yes, it is essentially parasitic. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 03:15 AM Response to Original message |
86. China's Rural Poverty Line Far Below International Standard |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:39 AM Response to Original message |
94. I would say no. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 04:42 AM Response to Original message |
95. It is a dictatorship with the desire to make money. Therefore, there is a capitalist class with the |
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BrentWil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 06:47 AM Response to Reply #95 |
100. That isn't backed up by data and the experiences of those people |
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nyc 4 Biden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
113. This liberal doesn't believe in abandoning capitalism... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #113 |
130. capitalism believes in abandoning you though. |
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nyc 4 Biden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-01-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #130 |
136. i do agree with that. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-30-10 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
120. Who is poor that has shelter, produces their own sustenance, and has clothes as they need? |
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