We Love Everyone and that Creates Political Problems: Rant

[BeFree]

Love is the Liberal creed. Everyone is equal and we try to shower love on everyone.

Our opposition pretty much hates nearly everyone.

How do they get away with spewing their crap day in and day out?
It's easy to hate and it's hard to love.

They hate us because we have so much love.
They hate the Democratic Party because it shows a face of love.
They hate Obama because he tries to treat everyone equally.

[Warpy]

1. I don't love everyone. In fact, I'm a misanthrope.

I just think all the people I dislike to be around still need a fair shake.

Republicans are all "ME! ME! ME!" Democrats recognize the country is "we."

That's the difference.

[uncommon]

6. I was going to say almost the exact same thing. nt

[Morning Dew]

16. I cherish humanity, I love individuals,

but I effin' hate people.

[TheKentuckian]

18. That's what I'm saying. I don't love those fucks one bit

I'd just not treat them wickedly as they desire to treat me.

[Subdivisions]

27. Democrats recognize the country is 'we.'

Good to see my initial thought was the first reply to this OP. I was thinking in terms of Liberals recognize the country is 'we',. Close enough.

[phantom power]

2. I am about to do something I once swore I'd never do...

Yes, I am going to Use A Star Trek Episode to Make A Point.

Recall that episode where Kirk gets separated into two halves by a transporter malfunction -- one of those halves has no aggression, or ability to assert himself. The Democratic Party has become like that half.

Arguably, the GOP has become like the other half, but it's the Dems that care about mostly.

[Oregone]

8. Both halves were probably much the same, right?

Just interested in getting screwed by hot aliens I assume

[daleanime]

10. Yeah, but....

the Democratic half makes sure that it's good for our partner, the Repug half just rolls over and goes to sleep.:evilgrin:

[Lost4words]

3. I am sorry, I dont feel love from the Democratic Party at all!

They bailed out the too big to fail and said fuck you to the working class and called me and some of you F*ing retards! They love power and position and of course COLD HARD CASH!

The democratic party still needs to grow a spine, but it wont happen in my lifetime, because the compensation is too good to lose.

I dont think democrats are for love they are for themselves and no one else just like the other half of the ruling class, the pukes.

[BeFree]

7. Well I know both

And the Democrats as a whole pretty much try to show love for others.

And the republicans I know show a whole lot of hate for others.

YMMV

[Lost4words]

15. maintaining 2 phony wars isnt exactly LOVE or dont you count other races?

[BeFree]

17. We ain't perfect as a party

And (newsflash) Liberals are not the ones maintaining the wars.

Basically, Liberals have very little political power. The only power they are able to configure is when the mass of people decide to resist the hate. Love is the only real power we have, and that power is reduced by equal amounts of hate.

Love is all we need.

[Make7]

4. BeFree: "I don't love him, if it is a him. Or her, if it is a her."

 

BeFree wrote:

I don't love him, if it is a him. Or her, if it is a her.


link

So when you say "we" in your opening post, are you not including yourself?
 

[BeFree]

9. Awww, did I hurt your feelings? I'm sorry.

I do have my personal grudges. This thread is not about me.
It is about liberalism and conservatives.

But it's nice to know you are thinking of me.

[Make7]

11. So "We" doesn't include you. And "Everyone" doesn't include me. Gotcha. ( n/t )

[BeFree]

12. Heh

Never said I was perfect.

Again, please, quit trying to make this personal.
Doing so, in my view, is a republican trait.

As an example of the divide between us and them is the hate they show for Blacks, or anyone not quite like them. That's one world view that clearly defines the divide.

[Make7]

13. But if "We Love Everyone" then wouldn't we love the people who hate blacks?

So you're basically saying that progressives love racists?
 

[BeFree]

14. "All you need is Love": Ringo on his 70th

We have greatly reduced the power of the racists by using Love as our weapon.

I think MLK would agree with me?

[Make7]

20. Reply to any of the following that are untrue: ( n/t )

[Make7]

21. Democrats Love Neo-Conservatives. ( n/t )

[Make7]

22. DU Loves Predatory Capitalists. ( n/t )

[Make7]

23. Liberals Love Gross Environmental Polluters. ( n/t )

[Make7]

24. Progressives Love War Criminals. ( n/t )

[Make7]

25. Etc., etc., etc... ( n/t )

[Oregone]

5. I don't think liberalism has a damn thing to do with love at its core

I think its about creating a stable government & marketplace by addressing the needs of the poor & exploited (which, over a long period of time, is in the self-interests of the elite who use that environment to prosper). Rights aren't bestowed out of love, but out of pacification and costs savings for those in charge. Rights are often cheaper than war and discontent.

[Igel]

19. You conflate people and an abstraction.

"We" love everybody as long as "we" is the abstraction. But it's not an abstraction.

If "we" love "everybody," then it is true that every member of the set "we" loves every member of the set "everybody."

You can play sophistic games with this if you like and use this as a kind of definition. When DUers say how much they have conservatives/"repukes"/etc., they're obviously not part of "we", part of the set of "liberals." But then you've made the utterance vacuously true: It's true simply because everything that could make it false is excluded by the statement itself.

You could similarly alter the definition of "love": Then the abuse and hate are actually tough love, intended to bring the Neandertals up to the lofty level of those with True Love (and apparently True Humility), us. By this token, we love those we most abuse because we've defined "love" to be "what we damn well feel like doing." Again, you've taken the proposition, defined it as true, and allowed the definitions to range freely until one's found that makes the proposition true.

Then, when this is pointed out, things move to the level of abstraction. "We" can be imperfect because the proposition is defined (for us) to operate at the level of Platonic Form, the perfection available in the realm of definitions and theorizing, while we must consider their concrete actions and deal with them as concrete people. Again, we've shifted terms and definitions in order to preserve the words used--allowing the redefined words to revert to their former definitions as soon as the string of sounds is perceived as true. So it's true for the abstraction, and while we're less than perfect we're far superior so we can overlook our blemishes because we thoroughly understand the evil that is the eternal "Other."

Humorous post. Thoroughly Manichaean. And built on I don't know how many iterations of the same fallacy. Amazing.

[BeFree]

26. That was cool, thanks

You, of course, are correct.

Being as I am a simple person who doesn't usually think in such high-minded ways, all I can say is that "In general" liberals love everyone and that cons pretty much hate everyone. In general.

Part of my lowly reasoning is founded on a lovely statement which, once adopted into my life has been enriching and enlightening. That statement is: Love thine enemy. Not easy to do.

That and the Beatles song: All you need is love.

This love that I perceive the liberals being endowed with is what makes me wanna hold their hands.

[happy_liberal]

28. "God is LOVE" MLK Jr

"He who hates does not know God, but he who has love has the key that unlocks the door to the meaning of ultimate reality"

[earth mom]

29. Hmm...equal eh? I didn't know gays could marry now or that the rich are now being taxed equally.

Wow, when did all this happen?

Because I haven't heard a word of it from Obama or anyone in Washington DC.

[BeFree]

30. Ain't happened yet, because

We can't get our shit together and make it happen.

But if we ever do, watch out world!! Big Changes. And for the better.

[earth mom]

31. Spare me the pollyanna crap. It ain't happening and will NEVER happen.

The powers that be have it all right where they want it.

Which is disgusting and proves that we are all nothing but peons to the powers that be.

And the sooner you and everyone realizes that the better.

[Lost4words]

32. You are very young arent you?

[BeFree]

33. I'd like to think so, relatively

What I am is experienced and have seen it happen that when enough people come together with enough love, it moves the proverbial mountain.

Are you experienced?