Jason Gooljar: The Rove Emails That Palast Has...

[Hissyspit]

http://www.jasongooljar.com/?p=1110

The Rove emails that Palast has...

I’m listening to Greg Palast on Democracy Now! talking about how Karl Rove’s lackeys totally screwed up when they were sending emails about firing US Attorney’s for not being Republican Party and Karl Rove friendly. It seems that instead of sending the emails they typed up to georgebush.com they sent it to georgebush.org which is a domain that friends of Greg Palast’s own. Greg Palast now has 500 of the Karl Rove emails. What was revealed in the emails reviewed by RFK Jr. had him saying (paraphrasing) that “Rove et al should be in jail, not in office.”

Voting rights attorney Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has called for prison time for the new US Attorney for Arkansas, Timothy Griffin and investigation of Griffin’s former boss, Karl Rove, chief political advisor to President Bush.

“Timothy Griffin,” said Kennedy,”who is the new US attorney in Arkansas, was actually the mastermind behind the voter fraud efforts by the Bush Administration to disenfranchise over a million voters through ‘caging’ techniques - which are illegal.”

There’s more:

This is one of the emails subpoenaed by Congress but supposedly “lost” by Rove’s office. Palast obtained 500 of these, fifty with ‘caging’ lists attached.

‘Caging’ lists are “absolutely illegal” under the Voting Rights Act, noted Kennedy on his Air America program, Ring of Fire. The 1965 law makes it a felony crime to challenge voters when race is a factor in the targeting. African-American voters comprised the bulk of the 70,000 voters ‘caged’ in a single state, Florida.

Well it looks like Congress will learn about at least 500 of the campaign emails.

[SharonRB]

1. Here is a link to the videos of Palast's appearance in NY with RFK Jr.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=6C0F65AB2719BDF5

I've watched the first four of the eight clips -- all of the ones with Palast. He's great! I sure hope he's handed copies of those e-mails over to Conyers, et al.

[EFerrari]

12. Thanks, SharonRB! n/t

[SharonRB]

14. You're welcome!

:hi:

[jaxx]

2. Juicy

Let's get them to the public.

[Bucky]

7. You know, the longer we have to wait to see them, the longer Rove stews over what Palast has got.

I'm not too eager to see them when I think about how Rove might be reacting to the discovery of his "lost" emails.

By the way, actually losing an email is near impossible when you consider all the routers an electronic message goes thru.

[moggie]

47. Why would a router record the contents of a mail message?

None of the routers I've worked with did that: it's not a router function. Perhaps you mean "mail relay" (at the application layer)? But there, the message will generally be stored on the relay only until it's been successfully delivered to the next hop, at which point it's deleted from the queue: typically, it may be accessible on the relay for only a few seconds, assuming the next hop is reachable and accepting mail. The log messages are a different matter: the mail software on the relay will log the messages it handles, and most ISPs will keep these logs for a long time. But the log entry won't tell you the content of the message.

[klook]

3. Beautiful!

I can't wait to see this hit the fan.

BTW, I believe the web site is georgewbush.org, not georgebush.org.

[rodeodance]

4. Is this too good to be true?

[tavalon]

50. That is actually what I'm wondering

Greg Palast is a great old fashioned muckraker but it seems fishy that he would describe having these emails but hasn't released them.

[rodeodance]

5. Rec

[90-percent]

8. Greg

Did you all see him on cspan book tv yesterday? I taped it and watched portions. Greg says that BBC and ABC News USA have some kind of share agreement. GREG said EVERY THING HE'S RUN WITH on the BBC side was also offered directly to ABC News and has been refused by ABC news after every single offer!!!!!

We should all be really grateful the British BBC is acting as a watchdog in America for us. Our MSM media sure as hell isn't doing it.

More about that show - Amy Goodman said that in the 2 or 3 weeks prior to the War, ABC, NBC, CBC and PBS ran 400 run-up-to-war stories. ONLY THREE STORIES featured anybody anti-war even though at the time the USA anti-war factions were larger than the pro war factions!

Or something like that. You all must hunt this show down - cspan book tv seminar hosted by LA Times late April 2007.

-85% Jimmy

[Viva_La_Revolution]

42. Video here...

http://www.booktv.org/feature/index.asp?segid=8267&schedID=488

It was great. :)

[rodeodance]

6. k

[babylonsister]

9. Just goes to show Rove isn't all that bright; his own web has caught him! nt

[EVDebs]

10. Palast's 'Khan Job' mentions NSA pre-9/11 "policy shifts"

"The “Back-Off” Directive and the Islamic Bomb

… A top-level CIA operative who spoke with us on condition of strictest anonymity said that, after Bush took office, “There was a major policy shift” at the National Security Agency. Investigators were ordered to “back off ” from any inquiries into Saudi Arabian financing of terror networks, especially if they touched on Saudi royals and their retainers. That put the Bin Ladens, a family worth a reported $12 billion and a virtual arm of the Saudi royal household, off limits for investigation. Osama was the exception; he remained a wanted man, but agents could not look too closely at how he filled his piggy bank. The key rule of any investigation, “follow the money,” was now violated, and investigations-at least before September 11-began to die."

http://www.gregpalast.com/khan-job-bush-spiked-probe-of-pakistan%E2%80%99s-dr-strangelove-bbc-reported-in-2001/

My DU friends, this is the real reason behind the Plame/Wilson dustup, to spike Plame's non-proliferation CIA front-company.

Combine this kind of TREASON with the Election Frauds being set up by BushCo and its CEO Karl Rove and voila ! You have an unconstitutional martial law society with a puppet as commander-in-chief.

[Ganja Ninja]

11. Sweet!!!! Pinch me I must be dreaming.

This is too good. KKKarl is busted along with God knows how many other evil GOP bastards.
Put those E-mails online ASAP. Let everyone see what despicable cretins these fuckers are.

[Divine Discontent]

37. exactly!!!

they should hold a special news conference with the big news networks and announce their release and place them on many mirror sites and nail em! crooked, evil caging son of a bitches!

www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- check it out, top '08 stuff

[liberal N proud]

13. I hope he plans on sharing those emails with Congress

[windy252]

15. Has Palast mentioned this to any of the Dems in charge at all?

Did they pay attention if he did?

[KoKo]

16. When will congress request those e-mails? What are they waiting for?

What is Greg Palast going to do with them if congress doesn't request them? Why is no one else covering this like Josh Marshall...who is asking today...about Congress lack of follow up on Carol Lam's firing going to "the top?"

Is all of this just waiting to be put together? Or, is it being stonewalled? :shrug:

So many questions and we have so little time to start bringing down these people and getting accountability!

[Triana]

17. That's what I want to know. What the HELL is Congress doing?

WHY nothing? Have they been threatened? Jeesus this stuff has been practically handed to them on a silver platter (along with a LOT of other stuff they dropped the ball on).

WHY NO ACTION on it?

[never cry wolf]

18. I thought I heard Palast say that Conyers already has them.

I am pretty sure I heard him say that on the DemocracyNow broadcast.

On edit, from the tranxcript:

GREG PALAST: Well, yeah. They were covering up the fact that Tim Griffin was Rove's right-hand man. And you have to understand, Rove, as the political director at the White House, was deeply involved in targeting and taking out the US attorneys who were recalcitrant and wouldn't start handcuffing Hispanic voters on false voter charges. They also know that it’s a slippery slope, because they know that I have 500 of the so-called missing emails.

In fact, that’s one of the points that -- in one of their internal emails, which was actually subpoenaed by the committee, they’re complaining about that guy, the British reporter -- that’s Greg Palast. As you realize, Amy, I’m American. But, of course, my reports are exiled to BBC Britain, and then they come back here through Democracy Now!, bless you. But they’re saying that these reports about Griffin’s role have not been picked up in the US media, in the US national media. And they’re kind of right. I mean, this material has not come through the US media.

They don't want Griffin’s role opened up, because once they have the role of Griffin in the firings opened up, they’ll ask why that happened. They will find and discover these emails, and, in fact, now that they’re public, will turn them over to the Conyers committee, and then they’ll find out that Griffin was deeply involved in the removal of legal voters. And now you’re getting into potential felony area. That’s a very serious business. So they want to stop the slippery slope of bringing in Griffin and revealing the entire chain of emails, not just his involvement in the firings, but what led up to it, and that brings us to the emails that you just saw on our report.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/14/1426254

Maybe I misheard it, I thought Palast said: in fact, now that they’re public, we'll turn them over to the Conyers committee,

[blogslut]

22. Here they are

at least some of them:

http://2004.georgewbush.org/deadletteroffice/index.asp

Perhaps the GWB parody site, georgewbush.org didn't post all the emails on their public page but gave the whole of them to Mr. Palast? From my understanding, Palast has had them since almost from the day that the dot org site discovered them in their catch-all inbox. My guess is a lot of the emails that went to the dot org's catch-all account were repeats of the same email, emanating from various party players.

[alcibiades_mystery]

31. They're waiting for provenance

Sounds like another Dan Rather job to me.

[Me.]

19. They Are The Stupid Bunch Of Criminals That Ever Walked The Face Of The Earth

They're just begging to be put in jail. I hope to hell that Congress does something with them.

[quiet.american]

20. How sweet it is -- Rove emails going to the nemesis of "loyal Bushies," Greg Palast, lol

You can't make stuff like that up. Smoking gun, anyone?

[klook]

21. Link to article about this on Palast's site

http://www.gregpalast.com/amy-goodman-and-greg-palast-moms-day-broadcast/

I know because I have Karl Rove’s emails. No kidding. He and his team aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer. They sent copies of their plans to GeorgeWBush.ORG instead of GeorgeWBush.COM addresses — and, heh heh, they ended up in my in-box. Who says this job ain’t fun? - Greg Palast

Palast describes how the whole prosecutor purge was about suppressing the vote.

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. Bwahahahahaha! KKKRove's arrogance has FINALLY caught up to him! 500 emails???

:rofl::rofl:

[WCGreen]

24. And... What happens now....

[Disturbed]

25. Who can charge Rove with crimes?

Is a Special Prosecutor now necessary?

[BeHereNow]

26. That is THE question- how much more does Congress need?

"Two party system" my ass.
The absolute inaction of the Congress is mind numbing.
BHN

[Fridays Child]

27. This is making...

...me feel all warm and fuzzy.

:evilgrin:

[katty]

28. oops!! bad bad Rover!!

[epppie]

29. I love Palaste, but sometimes he's more bark than bite,

and sometimes that seems to be true many times over about the Dems in Congress.

[prolesunited]

30. Oh, he most definitely brings the bite

But most of the MSM here ignores him. And it's not because he doesn't have the goods. It's just that he does the work of REAL investigative journalists and it can't be boiled down to easy-to-understand soundbites.

If he was spreading lies, he and those who publish him would have been sued out of business by now.

BTW, care to back up your statement with some examples?

[Divine Discontent]

38. I think you're onto something there...

most people, eSpEcIaLlY fox viewers (repubs generally), don't want to hear the full story, it's too confusing, and they have to worry about their gas tank, their empty refridge, and their kid getting suspended, and don't have time do hear long drawn out details of how this admin. has destroyed the democracy! They want to hear easy to gulp news - "the woman was attacked in her apartment", "the teenager used sex as a tool to skip class", "the officer shot and killed two intruders in his home" - - - all civil crime news, and local stuff, they don't wanna here the biggggg things that effect millions...\

www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- check it out, top '08 stuff

[Marr]

32. Aren't these the same emails he based Armed Madhouse on?

I remember this scenario from a couple of years ago. Does he have additional emails regarding the US Attourney firings, or are these the same caging list emails we heard about before? Admittedly, the US Attourney scandal puts the caging lists in a new light, establishing a clear motive for replacing the Arkansas attourney- but I'm wondering if there's actual new information, or just old information viewed through a new lense.

[proud patriot]

33. A kick for truth justice and American honor

:kick:

[jazzjunkysue]

34. Glad to say I bought Greg's Armed Madhouse on Cd. Listened to it

in the car. Amazing.

He's a hero. Let's get this out there. Even Tweety might run with it, knowing how anti-chimp he's been lately.

[The Backlash Cometh]

35. 500 e-mails. OMIGOD! They left a hole big enough for a Mack truck

to drive through!

[mod mom]

36. Does anyone know the status of the Qui Tam suit filed by Bobby + Mike Papantonio?

[Kurovski]

39. Oh, this is a good one to be sure.

So when will George be declaring marshall law? This can't go on forever.

[ClusterFreak]

40. This is all well and good...but...

...I fail to see what any of this has to do with Paris Hilton facing jail time.:sarcasm:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

45. exactly. We want more paris gnus!

I wonder how Palast looks in kevlar.

maybe he should find out.

[merh]

41. DUers had these emails just before or at least at the same time

Palast had them.

This link has the old links http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=880659&mesg_id=885689

And this is the mirror image site of the emails themselves, as found in the DU links http://mywebpages.comcast.net/anarke/bush/index.html


Read the emails for yourself - we also had the caging lists and sent this information on to Conyers.

[Polemicist]

43. I don't mean to be negative...

But from a legal standpoint, wouldn't these emails mistakenly sent to the wrong address, have serious chain of custody questions, regarding admissibility as evidence in any legal proceeding? In other words, can it be proved that somebody that's really creative with a whole lot of time on their hands didn't create these emails out of whole cloth?

I'm not a legal expert, nor am I a computer expert. Is it possible to prove provenance of these emails obtained from GWB.org servers that would prove that they were written and sent by whom they are purported to have been written and sent?

[lfairban]

44. Actually, that may be doable.

I'm no computer expert either, especially when it comes to the internet.

But I believe when you send an e-mail it bounces off of several servers en route, kind of like the Green Acres telephone network. It is like what you get when you do a trace. I think most of these servers record everything that passes through their hands.

If so, it should be possible to show the route they took to get to their destination and also the IP address of the computer of origin. This is why one member of congress, and I don't remember who it was, said that you can't just erase e-mails, they leave their footprints all over the internet.

[moggie]

48. Every message contains trace headers

Most current end-user mail software is coy about showing these, probably because they'll mean nothing to most users, but they're there. The trace headers in a message show what hosts it has passed through, with timestamps. Here's an example trace header:

Received: from <192.168.101.13> (helo=foo.example.com) by bar.example.com with
esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.67) id 1Haqpb-0004h2-2Y; Tue, 15 May
2007 06:23:17 +0100

(the real thing contains square brackets, which DU will translate to angle brackets, I think).

That shows that host bar.example.com received the message in question from host 192.168.101.13 at a particular time, and records the unique queue ID used by bar.example.com for this message. Other hosts which the message passes through will add their own trace headers (the contents of which differ from one mail package to another), so the complete headers contain a history of the message's path from sender to recipient. At any point, though, you can only really trust the latest trace header, because the earlier ones could be forged: spammers routinely do this, for example. If the sender denied sending the message, and you wanted to use the headers as evidence to the contrary, you'd presumably have to match them up with log evidence from each of the hosts the message purported to pass through. And those "footprints" still wouldn't tell you the contents of the message. The sender could say "ok, I did send a message to that recipient at that time, but the body of the message you have has obviously been replaced, because that's not what I sent".

[Crabby Appleton]

49. You are correct nt

[blogslut]

46. It would be a hell of a trick

I suppose hard copies of downloaded emails could be faked but it would take a heck of a lot of people, spoofing a heck of a lot of sender email addresses to pull off downloading them from a mail server. In addition there are server logs that I would hope the owners of georgewbush.com have locked in a safe.

There's full header info on the Dead Letter page for all the emails listed. That's another thing to prove their validity.

[L. Coyote]

51. Did they DELETE all their e-mails BEFORE checking which ones were dotorgers

Now there's a new political neologism, dotorgers. :rofl:

First use scenario:

ROVE: #**##**@#@#-a-bitch, you IT simpleton, you deleted everything without saving the dotorgers. Were screwed, we don't know what they know!!

IT Simpleton: Well, can't we use the Patriot Act for a no-knock search.

ROVE: I take it back, you're no simpleton.

[paparush]

52. Rethugs - dotCom dotOrg They're all the same, right? LMAO

I bet KKKarl chewed some @ss when he got wind of that...

That is a serious f-up.

[Imagevision]

53. Henry Waxman- - John Conyers H-e-l-l-ooo...!

[L. Coyote]

54. How much do we know with certainty regarding what is in those e-mails??

There has been some discussion of the contents, and there are some e-mails online with the spreadsheet and attachment links even.

How about a reliable source that sums up what is known OR not yet revealed? Anyone?

[peacetalksforall]

55. Reality. Remember the paragraph from the Suskind book - we

will change reality.

It appears that they suceeded in changing reality for over five years. Now, more Americans are recognizing their realtiy tricks and dissecting them - refuting them.

Unlike the perpetual war in the ME, they haven't been able to maintain perpetual reality morphing.