"Democrat" caller to Hartmann back Clinton's impeachment

[devilgrrl]

A life-long democrat people..... :eyes:

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

1. I know lots of sincere democrats who hated Clinton,

I never much liked him, only his economic and trade policies.

[bullwinkle428]

12. That shows that you can't put much stock in anecdotal evidence -

Clinton had a 73% approval rating at the time of his impeachment!

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/20/impeachment.poll/

[hfojvt]

35. if the adult population was 180 million at the time

then 27% is 48,600,000. If just 5% of them were Democrats, that is still 2.43 million people. I am not sure if I ever approved of the job he was doing. Perhaps as good as could be expected given the Republican Congress. I never voted for him, but I never thought he should be impeached or convicted.

[YOY]

2. He Backed the impeachment of Clinton

Life-long democrat???

I swear we need an "Utter bullshit sticker".

[Ghost in the Machine]

22. ....

[Larkspur]

3. I'm no fan of Clinton, but I did not support impeaching him over Monica-gate

I supported censure of Clinton.

[baldguy]

6. He should have resigned. He should NOT have been impeached.

It would have set the standard for future Presidential behavior, and it would have given Gore a better position to run on in 2000.

[Sapere aude]

26. For lying about a hummer? I don't think that rises to the level of a need to resign.

[Greyhound]

8. With you right down the line.

He betrayed the people that got him elected and sold us all out to the corporations and republiks that got him his second term. But impeachment was inappropriate for what he did (lying).

I don't support his wife for the very same reasons, a corporatist of the worst sort. I'll vote for her if, Dog forbid, she actually gets the nomination because of the 2 or 3 SCOTUS nominations, but I hold out very little hope she won't put up some slightly less conservative, pro-corporate, "confirmable" nominees, but they've got to be better than the alternative.

[dtotire]

9. Vote For Censure

A vote for censure would have been unanimous, and that would have been the end of it.

[OHdem10]

4. Clinton had very few friends on the Hill in his own party

during the Impeachment Mess.

[ORDagnabbit]

5. the man lied under oath. period. end of story

the presidency of the united states should be whistle clean and made to set standards for the rest of the country.

I am not a good german and will never defend the actions of somebody just because were on the same team.

[johnfunk]

11. He lied under oath? Which response(s)? To which question(s)?

If he had lied, you can be sure FAUX News and CNN would have been running the specific questions and answers over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over until they were more ubiquitous than the "I did not have sex..." clip.

He didn't lie. He gave truthful but misleading answers -- a common practice in civil cases.

And the fact you didn't make that distinction leads me to two possibilities:
• you were sadly misinformed; or
• you have a little truth problem yourself.

I'll cut you some slack and choose the first alternative (for now).

[ORDagnabbit]

13. take a read

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/multimedia/timeline/9809/starr.report/grounds/g1.htm


1. President Clinton lied under oath in his civil case when he denied a sexual affair, a sexual relationship, or sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky.

[porque no]

15. There's the rub.

so to speak. What are "sexual relations"?

But it doesn't really matter, the impeachment was a witch hunt and if you supported it you are a tool of the right. Are you a sharp tool?

[Catherine Vincent]

16. He didn't. There was no sex involved.

The definition of sex the lawyers gave did not include oral.

[ORDagnabbit]

17. I hate lies... .both right and left.... sexual relations was defined for the depositions

For the purposes of this deposition, a person engages in "sexual relations" when the person knowingly engages in or causes . . . contact with the genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh, or buttocks of any person with an intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person. . . . "Contact" means intentional touching, either directly or through clothing.

[Catherine Vincent]

18. I was hoping you would post that from the impeachment.

Impeaching a president because he was untruthful about something like that. Only in America.

[Exiled in America]

23. I didn't realize that it was sometimes ok to lie under oath.... /shrug

Perhaps Clinton should have kept his dick to himself while in office for the good of the country, and not given his enemies the opportunity to put him in a position where it would lie under oath?

Lieing under oath is a crime. I don't like presidents that commit crimes. I would have been with him all the way, even if he'd been butt-fucking captain kangaroo on the presidential desk, if he wouldn't have lied under oath. And yes, by the defintiion given by the lawyers, quoted above, he lied. Plain and simple.

Was it a witch hunt? Maybe, but the solution to that is don't use such ridiculous indescretion and give your enemies such a chance. The solution to that is NOT to break the law!

[Sapere aude]

27. Lying under oath about a blow job! Man that is really the worst thing a president has done!

How can anyone with a brain forgive that? How can anyone with sense of justice not want the whole congress to spend months on that issue? How can anyone with any smarts at all not understand the outrage that that lie caused?

[ORDagnabbit]

28. lets take it one step further...

if someone lies about consensual sex what else will they lie about?


leaders of this country should be held to a microscope while in power.

bush and cheney both need to be investigated, impeached and imprisoned.


will it happen?


only if we arent ruled by the super rich and corporately owned.
My guess is it wont happen.

[porque no]

33. People like you enabled that witch-hunt because of

your holier than thou bullshit. that "lie" should have been laughed out of congress. If not for Dems that think like you, that whole impeachment canard could have been shot down for the charade that it was.

I blame you.

Because of you we got Bushie. Nice going.

[ORDagnabbit]

34. and its people like you that dont understand the rule of law.

and feel that only the other team should be held accountable.

[Exiled in America]

38. No words should follow "lying under oath." It doesn't matter what its "about."

You lie under oath, you break the law, you don't deserve to be president.

[ORDagnabbit]

32. exactly.

I like clinton and miss him being president.

[johnfunk]

36. Answer my question

I noticed you used a favorite "concern troll" tactic and posted not an example of what you see as President Clinton supposedly lying under oath but instead a laughable claims made in masturbatory churl and smut author Kenneth Winston Starr's misleading report.

Glad to see you're such a huge fan of an apologist for the homicidal tobacco companies, their lobbyists and their front organizations. That's how Starr made his millions. The tobacco companies hated Clinton even more than the insurance industry.

Now answer my question.

[ORDagnabbit]

41. I did and here it is again.

At the January 17, 1998, deposition of the President, Ms. Jones's attorneys asked the President specific questions about possible sexual activity with Monica Lewinsky. The attorneys used various terms in their questions, including "sexual affair," "sexual relationship," and "sexual relations." The terms "sexual affair" and "sexual relationship" were not specially defined by Ms. Jones's attorneys. The term "sexual relations" was defined:

For the purposes of this deposition, a person engages in "sexual relations" when the person knowingly engages in or causes . . . contact with the genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh, or buttocks of any person with an intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person. . . . "Contact" means intentional touching, either directly or through clothing.(9)


President Clinton answered a series of questions about Ms. Lewinsky, including:

Q: Did you have an extramarital sexual affair with Monica Lewinsky?
WJC: No.



Q: If she told someone that she had a sexual affair with you beginning in November of 1995, would that be a lie?
WJC: It's certainly not the truth. It would not be the truth.



Q: I think I used the term "sexual affair." And so the record is completely clear, have you ever had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky, as that term is defined in Deposition Exhibit 1, as modified by the Court?


Mr. Bennett(10)
I object because I don't know that he can remember --



Judge Wright:
Well, it's real short. He can -- I will permit the question and you may show the witness definition number one.



WJC: I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. I've never had an affair with her.(11)


he had the defintion of sexual relations detailed for the deposition. He Lied under oath. period. end of story. get over it.

[porque no]

14. How positively hysterical

in more ways than one.

[MODemocrat]

20. Bush will never have to testify under oath

After all, he's not lying about having a little sleezy affair with a young woman? He's just killing people by the thousands with all his lies. I guess that doesn't count. To Hell with all
who impeached Bill Clinton. They've all done something just as bad, if not worse. They've just never had to be under oath. :spray: ;(

[ORDagnabbit]

31. personally I think bush and cheney will get off scott free...

we are ruled by the super rich and corporately owned.

War is good for business.

[Bluebear]

24. PS What's this "good german" shit?

[ORDagnabbit]

30. WW2 n/t

[librechik]

25. Gee...how pure and stringent you are with Clinton

yet lying lips George gets a free pass.

with germans like you, who needs "good" ones?

The Rs made a public matter out of a private one. Period. They connived and twisted and pushed and squirmed to make it worth a jury. They wasted our time and money.

To conform to your standards, Jesus Christ himself would have to be our next president. Let's grow up and get real, shall we?

[ORDagnabbit]

29. no free pass from me.

cheney and bush should be investigated, impeached and imprisoned.


the law is the law. Clinton lied under oath and he suffered the consequences.

Bush and Cheney have yet to suffer anything.

[madinmaryland]

7. Huh? Lieberman called in?

Moran.

[dtotire]

10. Bush Lied

Bush lied, and thousands have died. However, he did not lie under oath. That makes it all right.

[MODemocrat]

19. Where does this egghead stand on impeaching Bush?

Now,Bush's guilty of committing crimes that "kill" people. :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Exiled in America]

21. I strongly opposed clinton, but not his impeachment.

I opposed him for is neo-dem policies and actions as president. I did not feel like he represented the legacy and history of this people's party well at all.

[Matsubara]

37. His impeachment was a net plus, anyway...

...by the time it was over, the repugs came off looking like bitter little prigs, and Clinton was as well-loved as ever, with a 70% approval rating on the day of impeachment.

It basically served as a referendum proiving for once and for all that the American people were bhind his presidency.

I didn't care for his quasi-republican policies, either, but he certainly did nothing worthy of impeachment (or even inquiry, for that matter).

The only person who should have been kicking his ass was Hillary, and the repugs and the press should have let that happen in private.

[SarahB]

39. sigh

Hasn't enough happened in the past decade yet?

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. Did you listen to the full call?

I did, and he also supported the impeachment of Reagan and currently of Bush

His reason was actually internally consistent