MR. GIBBS, You seemed to like my liberal ass in 2008! What the hell is wrong with you???

[KansasVoter]

Mr. Gibbs, when I was donating money to Obama in the 2008 election and making phone calls and knocking on doors for the 2008 election you seemed to think my nutty liberal ideas were ok.

Wow, wow, wow......How in the world can you now ridicule the same people who helped get Obama elected?

How can you make fun of me for wanting the wars to end?

How can you be making fun of me for wanting universal health care for all Americans?

How can you be making fun of Dennis Kucinich? Who loves this country and cares more about Americans than ANY Republican!!!

I hate the GOP, but at least they do not make fun and ridicule the Rush Limbaugh supporters and the Glenn Beck supporters and do not ridicule the extreme right of their party.

Hell, maybe I am a little too left and unrealistic at times. But for you to sit there and make fun of me and think that is OK really pisses me off. I can imagine what you say about me when there is not a reporter there.

I am sure it is a big laughfest in White House when you point out how us dumb liberals want to stop spending $3 billion a week on the wars. How we want to have the totally insane Canadian health care system implemented here.

What really pisses me off is how much of a total idiot I feel like now that I bought in to all of the hype in the 2008 election. I guess I did drink the koolaid and now, after your comments, I feel like a total sucker to have fallen for it.

So, the democrats will get my vote in 2010 and 2012, I could never elect a Republican. But if you think my dumb ass is going to be a maxed out Obama donor or make phone calls or knock on doors for an administration who thinks I am a nutty left wing liberal who is unrealistic, then you are dumber than I am!

[LaurenG]

1. K and R. nt

[Oceansaway]

2. K&R...n/t

[truebrit71]

3. +1000000000000000000

...not a good idea to diss the one that brought you to the dance...you might wind up walking home..or worse..getting a ride from whomever else is left..

[KansasVoter]

4. I really hope Gibbs says none of this story is true! But I know it is!

[Ken Burch]

139. I just want to know how many shots of Cuervo he had before saying all that!

n/t.

[WonderGrunion]

8. If the one that brought you to the dance

starts looking to make out with someone else while you're going to get some punch, it may be time to kick that dance partner to the curb.

[LostinVA]

14. No, it's like finding the one you invited making out with a Mean Girl

That's the proper analogy.

[roguevalley]

187. ask for his hide : www.whitehouse.gov

[kctim]

5. Sorry neighbor

but Gibbs is only pointing out how it is silly to expect a President to disregard 80% in order to satisfy 20%. And it is equally as silly to believe President Obama is doing nothing for Democratic causes.

[Evergreen Emerald]

7. a majority of Americans wanted universal health care

He is ignoring his base and mainstream America to cater to big business while pretending it is the republican's fault.

[WonderGrunion]

9. Then the majority of Americans should have filled the house

and senate with people that would vote for universal healthcare. That is how legislation gets passed you know.

Once again, the majority of Americans let the majority of Americans down.

[Name removed]

34. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[mike_c]

42. that canard is almost as tiresome as the one about innocent people...

...having nothing to fear from the police.

[BzaDem]

47. Yeah, that whole democracy "canard" is just real inconvenient for you, isn't it. n/t

[Javaman]

55. That doesn't even apply here. 78% of the US public wanted national health care

yet was still tossed aside as not having enough support.

They don't represent us anymore and haven't for a long time.

[BzaDem]

57. You don't get it. If that were true, then Congress would have enacted it. People choose Congressmen.

The people have the power to elect single payer candidates. Nothing is legally stopping a single payer candidate from running and winning, except the fact that the people aren't voting for them.

What you are saying is simply a logical impossibility. The people have elected over 30 Congresses since Truman first proposed national healthcare, and each and every Congress has refused to enact it. Unless you believe the last 30 elections were rigged, the people clearly do not want single payer so much that they are willing to actually vote for candidates that support it.

[Javaman]

61. LOLOLOLOL

Honestly, be truthful here, you really believe that just because someone is elected to a seat means that they will listen to their constituents?

Oh, I have a bridge to sell you. cheap!

[BzaDem]

73. There can be a two year period where a representative ignores their constituents

but after that point the people woud throw them out if that is how they felt.

The fact that the last 30 Congresses have refused to enact single payer implies ipso facto that the people do not want it so much that they actually elect candidates that support it. A majority of the House makes their distaste for single payer known and still gets re-elected over and over.

[DeSwiss]

82. You are so naive. n/t

[BzaDem]

84. Yeah. Poor naive me, thinking that we live in a democracy and all that. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

94. For the rest of the class

what type of democracy is this?

Bonus points, if you can answer this, what is the replacement rate of incumbents? No matter what party ok.

That might point to you some of the problems that we have with this system... though I do love it. It is not perfect, far from it, but.

[dflprincess]

92. Single payer was "off the table" - remember?

In our democracy it was not even allowed to be discussed.

[treestar]

160. Then they can elect someone else if they don't listen

They aren't forced to re-elect the same ones over and over.

[bbgrunt]

71. the proof in the pudding says that if dems were

concerned about what the voters want they would make some effort to clean up the voting system and get rid of the black boxes. Without that, its a big fog of dueling poll numbers. The dem reaction to the primary of Alvin Greene is exhibit #200.

[LiberalFighter]

169. If we didn't have a Senate Single Payer would had passed.

[reggie the dog]

189. congress critters often take bribes in the legal form of

campaign contributions from the wealthy then once elected work to please those wealthy people or corporations which donated instead of pleasing the people that voted them into office. Any democratic congresscritter that said they would not vote for at least a public option on the health care if not single payer national insurance was likely full of shit as even many republican voting people wanted that, hell republican congresscritters could have even suppored it knowing that about one in two republican voters wanted it

[kctim]

69. But less than half

were willing to pay for it.
How do you give people what they want if they refuse to sacrifice and pay for it?

[Ignis]

78. Ah, so it's the voters' fault that (D) politicans refuse to follow the party platform?

Covering All Americans and Providing Real Choices of Affordable Health Insurance Options.

Families and individuals should have the option of keeping the coverage they have or choosing from a wide array of health insurance plans, including many private health insurance options and a public plan. Coverage should be made affordable for all Americans with subsidies provided through tax credits and other means.

-- 2008 Platform @ http://www.democrats.org/a/party/platform.html

[Forkboy]

88. There's a trend among some to blame anyone but the politicians who actually decide things.

I'm glad these people don't try to help rape victims.

[Ignis]

89. Thanks for going there.

So I didn't have to. :argh:

[kctim]

98. Fault?

Not everybody is going to agree on every part of the platform, so it should be no surprise that voters will elect politicians who do not follow the platform in lockstep.
Most people also realize that there is no way in hell that the entire platform could ever be put into effect overnight.

[Ignis]

99. And what should we call (D) politicians who actively work against our platform?

:shrug:

[bvar22]

116. what should we call politicians who actively work against our platform?

Receivers of active campaign support from the White House and "New Democrat" Party Leadership!
See: Lincoln, Specter, 2010.

[kctim]

137. What Dem actively works

against the platform? Not an issue or two, but the platform itself.

Dems should not stop judging their fellow Dems and calling them anything, because it could come back and bite us in the ass. Should 70+% of black Americans not be considered Democrats because they disapprove of gay-marriage? Should die-hard liberals not be considered Democrats because they fear guns and want to get rid of the 2nd Amendment? Should wealthy Democrats not be considered Democrats because they preach about feeding the needy while they eat 7 course meals every night? Or because they preach about helping the homeless while owning 5, 6 or even more homes themselves?
No we should not. Because if we did, the party would be even less effective than the Tea Party is right now.

[Ignis]

138. Ahh, so some planks are more equal than others.

Here's one that's important to me and every other progressive I've ever met:

Civil. Fucking. Rights.

Ever heard of them? Some of us think they're an important plank in the platform. YMMV.

[kctim]

210. Individually, yes

Some planks are more important than others when it comes to individuals. Ever heard of those? Individuals? Some of us believe ALL of their rights are important, not just the ones we wish to allow them to have because we think it is in their own best interest.

Perhaps you could explain which civil "fucking" rights people are losing or don't have, and why you believe it is you who gets to define why?

The far-left very clearly believes that only the planks they care about are important, and the far-left solution is the only acceptable result. They forget that while their solution is important to them and every other progressive they meet, it is NOT as important to the other 80% of the party, or it is just outright rejected by the majority of the party.

[Ignis]

213. Your last paragraph is a clusterfuck of made-up bullshit.

Care to try again without making stuff up? That would allow us to have a real discussion of the issues.

Or I can just say stupid crap like, "The centrists in the party want to enslave us all to their corporate masters!" But I'm not much a fan of breathless hyperbole. YMMV.

I'm not asking for a pony. I'm a straight white guy; I have no horse in this race. But civil rights are an essential element of our party platform, and it's incredibly disconcerting to watch "Democrats" shit all over our GLBT members.

So if civil rights aren't important to Democrats anymore, you let me know. After all, I'd hate to trouble the pretty little heads of "the other 80% of the party."

:puke:

[Name removed]

215. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Ignis]

216. I stopped reading at your title; I'll wait for you to support that claim.

The far-left very clearly believes that only the planks they care about are important, and the far-left solution is the only acceptable result. They forget that while their solution is important to them and every other progressive they meet, it is NOT as important to the other 80% of the party, or it is just outright rejected by the majority of the party.

If this is "truth"--rather than a rancid melange of breathless hyperbole, broad-brush smears, and made-up bullshit--it should take you no time at all to support it with compelling, irrefutable evidence.

I'll be right here, waiting for that support. :hi:

[truedelphi]

220. Thank you for fighting the good fight.

And it should be pointed out to some here on DU that as regards Civil Fucking rights, rights are rights, and are not dependent on majorities, or number of percentile points scored by Party Leaders.

That is why it is good these matters are decided in the courts, as otherwise it might be years later, for the public to realize that segregation is wrong. And that denying gay people the right to marry is wrong.

[Ignis]

227. "rights are rights" -- YES!

I'm not expecting that the 2008 election magically removed all the bigots from the country.

But our job on the Left is to lead those people forward, not to ask their permission if it's OK if we recognize the rights of all US citizens.

And thanks for your kind words. :hug:

[Ken Burch]

140. They did. It's just that, in the Senate, a majority isn't enough.

The United States Senate: Last bastion of the medieval world.

[reggie the dog]

191. 51 is plenty it worked fine for W for years

the democrats have no spine to put up a vote, vote in unison for health care reform basically all the people who voted for them want, and let the republicans make the press for filibustering the vote on a reform that 78 percent of the country wants and then let those republicans face re election

[LiberalFighter]

166. I believe we had it in the House. The Senate screwed it for us.

And we don't have elections for all Senators in the same year as in the House. If we had, we might had gained a few more good Democrats to offset the crappy ones we got.

[kctim]

67. Really?

Just how bad did they want it when a majority said they supported UHC, but less than half of them were willing to pay for it?

IF, President Obama was "ignoring his base," health care would not have been a major issue and the far-left would have gotten nothing. Instead, President Obama got legislation that will help some of those the far-left "says" they wanted to help, while at the same time not pissing off the majority of Dems.

The 'all or nothing' approach will always leave you feeling as if you got nothing.

[sabrina 1]

167. The only reason Health Care was allowed to be an issue this

time was because the Private Health Care industry was about to collapse, like Wall St. It needed bailing out. The only way to bail it out was to force payments from over 30 million Americans who cannot afford them to the Corrupt Private Ins. Ind. and to use the IRS as a collection agency for them.

Then, subsidize those who fall below the magical line, with Medicaid. Except, now, instead of Medicaid operating as a government run program with only 3% overhead, the 'new' HC Reform puts those funds in the hands of Private Insurance who will dip into them, take out their huge profits, approx. 20% or more, before passing then down to the people they were intended for. Medicaid now has at least a 20% overhead.

These two factors, Republican ideas rejected by Democrats up to recently, handed a huge windfall to the Private Insurance Corps and saved them from total collapse. Iow, they were 'too big to fail'. Corrupt as they are, responsible for the deaths of over 44,000 Americans a year, this Administration and Congress decided rather than investigating and prosecuting them, to bail them out.

The people had no say in any of this. It was all decided behind closed doors, with thousands of lobbyists from the Private Ins. Ind. working against the interests of the American people who cannot afford the high price of a Member of Congress. And the bill itself was written by the Industry.

We get a few crumbs, but we never had a chance and won't, until we can out bid Big Business for the votes of our own Representatives.

[deutsey]

208. This is why the legislation has left a terrible taste in my mouth n/t

[Hippo_Tron]

135. That number drops drastically when you refer to it as "socialized medicine"

[KansasVoter]

11. And you think that was a good way to point it out? He can kiss my ass!

[joeybee12]

16. Is there no end to how far you can bend over backwards?

Up is down, right is left.

[liberation]

77. Careful!

They may take it as a challenge and we'll have another limbo competition in our hands, ugh....

[girl gone mad]

22. Wait a second..

isn't that exactly what they did with the bailouts (against overwhelming public opposition), abandoning the public option (70% supported) and instead sticking us with mandates (70% opposed)?

You can argue that the President likes to disregard the left, but don't cloak this disregard in the mantel of doing what's popular, because, clearly, the public's desires have not been a major factor in his political calculus.

[Morning Dew]

36. +1. Perfect response.

[newspeak]

41. It's easy to understand

anything for big business (like pharma, health corporations, bailouts) is easy to get passed; anything for the people (public option, extending unemployment, small business relief) is hard to get passed. Pass for big greedy corporations-fail for aid to the rest of the people.

[patrick t. cakes]

159. +1

[kctim]

81. Its called politics

True, most were against the bailouts, but there was no immediate affect on the average Joe to get too upset about. Like a tax hike.
People did not want to pay for the public option so they did not really support it.
Yes, people are upset about the mandates, which are the same thing the public option and UHC would be, but they have no idea how it is going to affect them personally so the people mostly railing against them are the far-right, because its a mandate, and the far-left, because its not the mandate they want.

I did not say President Obama likes to disregard the left, I said not pandering to their every whim is the smart way to do his job, if he wants to keep his job.

The facts speak for themselves and they show almost 80% of Democrats approve of the job he is doing. IF the public's desires are not part of his political calculus, he is doing something very very wrong.

[reggie the dog]

192. i think it has to do with the amount of wealth held

by the 30 percent as it is probably far greater than the wealth held by the 70 percent in both of those polls

[Bluenorthwest]

31. Gibbs makes his living with his words

He could have said what you say he said, but instead he said something else. Words are all about choices, and the 'how' of getting a point across is as important as the point itself. He botched it, because this comment will gain nothing for the President, and will make yet another hurdel to be crossed. That is the opposite of what his job should produce.
But I bet it made Robbie feel powerful for a moment. Never elected to anything, old Gibbs. Never will be. Lacks the skill.
The President deserves better than Gibbs. In my opinion. Much better.

[KansasVoter]

39. +1

[daleanime]

70. I think your numbers are backwards....

why won't the President, and the rest of 'our' elected officials, disregard 20% in order to satisfy 80%? Could be because that 20% has almost all the money?:banghead:

[DeSwiss]

79. So you're saying that this "80%" wanted Obama to:

Appoint Summers, Geithner, and other corporate cronies.
Make Rahm Emanuel Chief of Staff.
Continue rendition.
Continue the infamous Bagram Air Force base torture prison.
Engage in drone killings and/or assassinations of US citizens abroad.
Continue Bush DOJ defense in denying lawsuits brought against Bush administration for crimes of torture.
Practice and defend indefinite detention.
Privatize education.
Fail to shut down Guantanamo Bay prison.
Set up Commission to look into privatizing and/or cutting social security and medicare.
Further secrecy and classification.
Deny Freedom of Information Act requests.
Break up labor unions.
Make backroom deals with the Pharmaceutical industry.
Have the Health insurance industry lobbyists define the parameters of a Health Care Bill.
Break his promised position of supporting a public option.
Drill baby drill.
Break his pledge to the American Freedom Campaign to defend the Constitution from any Presidential or executive branch abuse.
Escalate the Afganistan war (I know he didn't promise not to).
Support a weakened financial regulatory reform Bill.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x401636">mmonk

- Yeah. Right.

[kenfrequed]

113. Recommended!

Agreed.

The Democrats decided to play softball while the repukes were playing hardball and they let the blue dogs run the board.

[kctim]

217. Not at all

They pretty much don't care about some of that stuff, like appointments, and luckily, they pretty much do not take you're opinion as facts on the other stuff.

[nadinbrzezinski]

91. Polls show that Americans WANT Universal Health Care

like oh a MAJORITY of Americans...

hate to point this out but this is the truth, one that CENTRISTS like to spin away.

[proReality]

134. It was the 20% who worked their butts off to

get the rest to believe and vote. Nothing to sneeze at...or in this case it's nothing to make fun of, unless they want to lose in 2012.

[Tesha]

153. Then he'll have no problem getting re-elected by that 80%.

I'm sure they'll all walk the wards, make the phone
calls, write the letters, and do everything else that
they *DIDN'T* do in 2008 but the 20%ers did.

Tesha

[treestar]

156. Why that 20% thinks we have to march to their tune I'll never know

They are friggin' totalitarians. And they are not even 20% and those 20% probably don't agree with each other, and would start killing each other over purity of doctrine if they were able to take totalitarian control of the rest of us.

[Hydra]

190. I think you'll find out how not 80% you are soon

If the party has no principles, and wants nothing to do with the base that does, that leaves...who? The people who will vote D, if Jeb Bush runs as one?

[reggie the dog]

195. they are not totaltarians they are simply people

who want a left which is not farther to the right than the right wing parties of most european countries. Look at party ACTIONS and laws wars voted ect and you can find, as have many to the left of center, that the "left" in the usa is indeed farther to the right than the main right wing parties in germany, france, belgium, the netherlands, sweden, finland, norway, austria and i could continue. People simply want a government which works for the best interests of common people and they are far more than 20 percent of those who vote democrat that does not make one totalitarian though using government to maximize corporate profit while using police and other armed forces to intimidate people in order to "control" dissent is quite arguably fascist.

[WonderGrunion]

6. In 2008, the 'far left' wasn't saying Obama=Bush

It's not Gibbs that has changed over the last two years.

[depakid]

10. The fact that you use the term "far left" says all anyone needs to know

[WonderGrunion]

13. And the fact you can't be happy about the certain nomination

of Elizabeth Warren tells me everything I need to know about you.

[LostinVA]

17. Yup -- the 'Far Left" is now anyone to the left of Olympia Snowe

It's ridiculous.

[WonderGrunion]

20. You know, I love Hillary too

I especially love how she completely 100% supports President Obama.

[treestar]

161. No, because that does not describe the people saying Obama is the

same as Bush. That describes the far left. Now the far left is not willing to admit it's the farthest left?

[EFerrari]

226. Wrong. Gibbs did not say "the far left'. He wasn't talking about communists.

Geebus. He wasn't even talking about socialists and Greens. There are no socialists or Greens anchoring cable teevee shows, let alone communists.

[newspeak]

43. yep, all those who believed in FDR's and Johnson's social policies

are now FARRRRRR LEFT. Now if I believed in privatizing the whole damn government and helping some people, I'd only be called left.

[DeSwiss]

85. +1

[KansasVoter]

12. He made it clear he does not want my support!

[Name removed]

15. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Name removed]

19. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Carolina]

74. exactly, and he won't get it either

Henceforth, I will only vote for progressive candidates... real progressives with track records.

Though Hillary is no better since she's DLC to the core (helped found it with Bill), I give her credit for one thing. During the primary campaign, she ridiculed Obama as someone who could give pretty speeches... boy, was she ever right. All talk then; all piss and spit to his base now.

Come November 2010 and 2012, screw him and the DNC, DLC, DSCC, DCCC

[another saigon]

24. no it wasn't gibbs it was obama who changed

all of the 'crazy lefties' want the same thing we were told we would get in 2008. What we received was a complete reversal of what obama promised while campaigning.

Hope and change, blech! You can you can kiss my ass.

[MineralMan]

18. You wrote:

"I hate the GOP, but at least they do not make fun and ridicule the Rush Limbaugh supporters and the Glenn Beck supporters and do not ridicule the extreme right of their party."

Perhaps they should, doncha think? Isn't that part of their problem?

[KansasVoter]

21. And the GOP would think us lefty's need to be made fun of. But the GOP supports theirs!

[Fire1]

23. If you've never said PO was like Bush then his comment is

not applicable to you. Frankly, anyone who makes an idiotic comparison of that nature can't be all there!

[KansasVoter]

25. No, his Canadian health care comment was directed at me.

[Fire1]

37. I think people on the left need to start voting with their

intellect and not their dreams, fantasies and emotions. The reality is and has always been that we're not going to get a progressive candidate to win elected office and if by some miracle we DID (like Kucinich)he wouldn't be able to accomplish anymore than PO, thanks to Congress and a two party system. That's just reality. We'd have a much better chance of changing things and leveling the economic playing field if we took to the streets in mass protest rather than pissin and moanin behind a keyboard. That too, is reality.

[newspeak]

48. yes, let's vote their reality instead of changing it

Because we've been down this road for about thirty years--and while we travel this road (voting for who the elite or corporate media basically chose for us), we're systematically losing everything. We're losing our infrastructure, educational system, libraries, labor rights, safe working conditions, strict corporate regulations--while we pour our dwindling money and lives into fighting a bogus war--and instead of most of our money going to help people, who are really suffering now or prompting up our educational system--it's funneled into more private corporate contractor's hands-for less service or shitty service and over charged.

So, in reality you're telling us to just keep quiet, give up and hell just give what little we have left to the same damn greedy global corporates who got us into this mess in the first place with the help of our own government. You know the thought is so frightening, I think I'll stick to my fantasy.

[newspeak]

52. oops, responded and not paying attention at the end.

me bad!!! Agree, I don't know if taking to the streets will help, when the corporate media basically ignores even an anti-war protest close to a million. It's the one hundred teabaggers that count since they're playing that "I love big business small government song", just like the corporates love.

[Fire1]

168. We have to hit corporate america where it hurts. In the purse.

Boycotts and protests are the way to go.

[Fire1]

165. You obviously didn't read the second part of my post. Knee

jerk much?

[newspeak]

183. Fire1-corrected

see 52. Yes, I realized I'd made an error. Responded accordingly.

[reggie the dog]

197. not me, i wanted the french system, canada is not good enough

[treestar]

164. Exactly

This just shows how far some people will go to be offended.

[reggie the dog]

196. the comment is not idiotic, it depends on context

look i will show you

obama is just like bush not true one is a right leaning centrist the other is a far right neo conservative


now watch

As far as the american education system is concerned Obama is just as bad as W with his support of NCLB. This is true, Obama is as shitty as bush on education, as a teacher this is of grave concern to me.

as far as the wars in irak and afghanistan are concerned obama is as shitty as W, again true

as far as support for the partiot act parts one and two goes obama is as shitty as bush again true

as far as supreme court nominees obama is as shitty as w, of course, not true

as far as abortion is concerned obama is as shitty as w, again not true

as far as gay marriage and dont ask dont tell obama is as shitty as w, true this time

[GOTV]

26. Gibbs and the rest of the admin are working hard to put Dems into the minority next year ...

... I don't know why but if you're going to work to elect Dems in the upcoming months you'll be fighting both the GOP and the Obama admin.

[Hydra]

193. They need an excuse to go further right

And you nailed it- this is not some sort of mistake- they don't LIKE having the ability to pass progressive legislation. It makes people like us ask why they aren't doing it.

No, they'll say they can't stop it, and that they have to "compromise" social security and medicare away.

"You have no choices...you have owners."

George Carlin

[Name removed]

27. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[KansasVoter]

30. I hope he was misquotedh

[moksha]

32. I doubt it. Their actions and words have always indicated they have

no love for the left. They didn't even allow single-payer advocates to the table during the health care debate. They view the left as an enemy.

Except when they need money or a job.

[xiamiam]

33. we've already been fooled once..doubt that will happen again..nt

[moksha]

35. They are on their own, as far as I am concerned.

I will, no doubt, cast my vote for the lesser of the two evils in 2012. But, I will not lift a finger in support. They just don't deserve it.

We get a choice between a very-conservative candidate or a moderately-conservative candidate. All the while the left gets denigrated by both parties.

[GreenArrow]

49. It'll happen again.

Where else is the left going to go? It'll (and by proxy, the nation as a whole) get screwed six ways from Sunday, and then come back for seconds.

[CLANG]

118. Don't misunderestimate!

There's an old saying in Tennessee, I know it's in Texas, probably Tennessee, that says 'Fool me once , shame on…shame on you. Fool me. You can't get fooled again'.

[kitfalbo]

28. Maddow

I can only ask the he goes on Maddow and she gives him the proper treatment.

[KansasVoter]

29. He is a coward, will not face her on this issue!

[tridim]

38. He wasn't talking about people like Maddow. Not at all. nt

[piratefish08]

40. not in a MILLION years. he would be outmatched and knows it.

Maddow 2012?

if only, huh?

[phleshdef]

44. He didn't make fun of Dennis Kucinich. And he may or may not have been talking about you.

If you suggest that Obama is anything remotely close to Bush, in his intentions, in his thought process or in his governing philosophy, you are disconnected from reality. Thats what Gibbs was saying and its 100% correct.

He also pointed out that there is a segment of the left that refuses to be happy, so even if Dennis Kucinich, the epitomy of the left in American politics, were President, this segment would still find a way to be unhappy. Thats not making fun of Kucinich, thats just acknowledging where Kucinich stands ideologically and how it still wouldn't please the "always a victim" people.

Michael Moore has made similar comments over the years. Where were you then?

[KansasVoter]

45. He insulted me directly with his "Canadian" comment. And on some.....

warrant areas we are doing just what Bush did. And his Kucinich comment, he was making fun of him as being too extreme.

[phleshdef]

51. Saying that wanting Canadian healthcare is not realistic actually insults you?

And do you honestly believe that because Obama can not deliver a single payer system or because he refuses to neglect national defense as our top priority (which it shouldn't be, but just saying) that that makes him just like Bush?

And no, there was nothing in that quote that made fun of Kucinich at all. Unless you consider pointing out that Dennis Kucinich is widely perceived as one of the most liberal politicians currently elected "making fun of him", in which case I would refer back to Gibbs insinuation of certain people being on drugs.

[BzaDem]

58. +1 for reality-based comments.

[liberation]

76. I don't think "reality-based" means what you think it does.

It most definitively is not a synonym for strawmen or red herrings, in case you were thinking that....

[BzaDem]

83. You are correct that it is not a synonym for strawmen or red herrings. Luckily for me

their comments were not strawmen or red herrings. They were reality-based, which is why I said as much.

[Forkboy]

90. "reality based" = agreeing with me.

[eridani]

221. If it passes three times in CA, it's realistic

If 40% of its supporters in the PA legislators are Republicans, it's realistic.
If candidates for governor are now arguing about who is most in favor of single payer, it's realistic.

[Name removed]

46. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[L0oniX]

50. What's that disease where you cut yourself on purpose a lot?

[AnArmyVeteran]

54. Democratism

[emilyg]

62. Yep.

[KansasVoter]

66. +1

[AngryOldDem]

53. K&R

<<What really pisses me off is how much of a total idiot I feel like now that I bought in to all of the hype in the 2008 election. I guess I did drink the koolaid and now, after your comments, I feel like a total sucker to have fallen for it.<<

Preach it.

You and me both.

ON EDIT: And I CANNOT wait until I start getting fund-raising calls. I'd use my money to line my cat's shitbox before I would donate to any Democratic cause.

[eridani]

222. What about Dems who are running primaries against conservadems? n/t

[Octafish]

56. K&R

Every word.

[WinkyDink]

59. It's called "knowledge of guilt."

[Steely_Dan]

60. Gee....

I would have preferred that he use that kind of rhetoric against the Republicans instead of members of his own party. Go figure.

[reggie the dog]

199. no shit,,, right

he should attack any politician filibustering the vote on single payer and attack the drug testing bs put into place BY REAGAN!!! Hello Democrats in DC you should be anti drug testing, the weed i smoke whilst not working has neither a negative nor a direct impact on how i teach, prep my lessons or do my grading and i imagine the same is true for reefers of other professions as well, THESE DRUG TESTS ARE NEARLY NON EXISTANT IN MOST EU COUNTRIES AS AN INVASION OF PRIVACY!

[laughingliberal]

63. K & R nt

[raouldukelives]

64. K&R

[katty]

65. to Gibbs, etal: F/U!!

[bbgrunt]

68. whoa--Gibbs now says that his statements were "inartful"--

meaning, I guess, that he is not apologizing for the attitude, only the way he phrased it. My oh my. True colors.

[Name removed]

80. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Ken Burch]

142. "inartful" = It was the whiskey talking!

n/t.

[cilla4progress]

72. PLEASE SEND YOUR POST TO GIBBS,

W. HOUSE, PELOSI, REID, etc.! They need to hear this. Thanks.

[KansasVoter]

75. Sent it to WH comment line today!

[cilla4progress]

211. Great - hope they read it

and reply.

It's not hard to understand they think they are being politically astute in espousing this position, but we need to show them the error of their ways! It's really unnecessary. Inartful indeed - foot, meet mouth!

[jefferson_dem]

86. Yet another last straw.

:eyes:

[Forkboy]

93. That's right. We don't need his vote!

[jefferson_dem]

96. Sure we do.

Sanity requires it.

[Forkboy]

97. Driving off those we need doesn't strike me as sane.

So, if what you say is true and you feel that you need those votes, what approach do you think will have the best effect? What's your sane answer?

[jefferson_dem]

100. My approach/answer has nothing to do with it.

I'm rather keen on Democratic "big tents" in terms of policy. I'm a fan of progress.

If the poster is discouraged from voting for sanity in November because someone in an online forum doesn't join in the "pity us...this is the last straw" circle-jerk, regardless of significant Democratic achievements and the scary alternatives on the other side, that's too bad.

EDIT: I see you have now proudly proclaimed you will not be voting Dem in 2012. So there's really no point in discussing issues or "sanity" with you anymore.

[KansasVoter]

103. You obviously did not read my post where I said "I'll vote for Dems"

[jefferson_dem]

104. I did.

It was the other poster who suggested that you (like him) might not be voting Dem.

Thank you. Hang tough.

[KansasVoter]

106. OK, sorry!!

[Forkboy]

126. Yes yes, sanity, blah blah blah.

You're right, there's no point in us discussing sanity anymore, because your version of it takes us over the cliff at 80mph instead of 100mph.

Have fun in your own circle jerk. Sad you can't see it for what it is. You seem so bright otherwise...

[truedelphi]

228. gibbs didn't drive me off -

The Geithner Appointment, the callousness of the Administration in terms of being scared to fight off at even the hint of a filibuster, all the Monsanto appointments, then the ineptitude shown when BP should have been hauled in and the locals should have been allowed to restore their beaches without the Army Corps of engineers blocking them, and of course (last but not least) the endless and expensive wars, all that put me off the Democratic PArty a few weeks before the Gibbs' tirade.

Isn't it funny, in a very sad way, that the biggest difference between Obama and Bush ended
up being the fact that the Bush Administration stuck by its base, while the Obama Administration abandonned us the minute they crossed the WH threshold?

[KansasVoter]

102. Are you insulting me? Can't tell. Where did I say last straw? I'll vote, but that is it......

and it was all I ever did before 2008.

Believe it or not, people need to be motivated by more than "the alternative is worse" to donate time and money.

[Name removed]

87. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[South End Liberal]

117. Good point - we refuse to become DLC hacks

I've been disappointed with many aspects of the Obama administration as I've felt many of the campaign promises were set aside for corporate interests. Yes, I voted for Obama.

Now I am questioning why the White House would go out of their way to "piss off" 1/5 of their voters at a time the Democrats are already in trouble with the upcoming elections. Insanity? The corporations want the Republicans to win?

It makes no sense to me.

[Kurovski]

95. I hope Gibbs has an apology lined up. (nt)

[Enthusiast]

101. K&R! nt

[MissDeeds]

105. I'm right there with you, KansasVoter

They can kiss my liberal butt. Liberals have been kicked around enough by this administration. It's beginning to look like an abusive relationship. They punch us in the teeth and then want our support? Bite me.

K&R

[onestepforward]

107. "After Gibbs made his "professional left" comments,

he grabbed two beers & slid down the emergency slide outside his window."

I saw this on Tweeter. :)

[KansasVoter]

108. LOL!

[SaveOurDemocracy]

141. As PO'd as I feel right now ... that really, really...

cracked me the fuck up!!! :hi:

[Raine]

109. Totally on point K & R nt

[earth mom]

110. Rahm AND Gibbs have told us all to fuck off. So where is Obama in all of this?

Those people are his messengers don't forget.

I tried to warn people during the primaries and I got reamed for it.

[Lucian]

111. K & R

[cjbgreen]

112. Why blame your supporters for saying yes we can and yes we must!

Why blame your supporters for saying "yes we can" and "we must"?

I want to "hope" and I don't take drugs and I look at the facts!

Attacking your supporters for believing in you is an act of cowards. I do not think you are a coward but you and our country deserve a better team.
Mr. President, I know you can, you have the political will if you will use it.

[reggie the dog]

201. you may not take drugs but as a drug taker i take offense

to gibb's comments. Ok Gibbs explain to me why we should be drug testing anyone aside from taking blood tests of people involved of fatal accidents and looking for actual intoxication that is bad enough to have played a cause in the wreck. Gibbs explain why you support the drug testing model put into place by Reagan who did it as a manoeuvre of culture war against the hippies. Can someone please explain to me how my use of drugs other than alcohol and tobacco, of which i have used neither in over ten years? So I smoke cannabis 5 days a week or so and have done so for the past 15 years, so i take shrooms, lsd, mdma about once every 3 years or so. What is the big deal? really I mean what the hell is the big problem? I have never had a problem or hurt myself or others while under the influence of these drugs. Why are they even illegal? hello gibbs and the democrats what the hell have you got against us hippies??? i understand that republicans hate us but to have the democrats hate us is so much like what i learned was happening in chicago in 1968.

[slay]

114. Looks like he doesn't want us anymore

i'm pretty fuckin sick of their shit anyways. hope and change my ass. :mad:

[KansasVoter]

115. And must not need us!

[Name removed]

119. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[democrank]

121. Kicking for bvar22

[KansasVoter]

125. "Yes your suckers" is the new slogan!

[NYMdaveNYI]

132. 2008: YES WE CAN...

2009: YES WE CAN COMPROMISE


2010: YES WE CAN ANGER AND ALIENATE OUR BASE


2012: YES WE WILL LOSE IN THE PRIMARY TO A CANDIDATE WHO IS COMPETENT

[Alcibiades]

120. It's triangulation: "Look how centrist we are!"

Liberals hate us!

[JJW]

123. Yes, indeed

Liberal bashing in effort to win and/or appease the right.

[Touchdown]

122. ....

[LooseWilly]

124. I think I'll go out and get drug tested in '12...

As I understand it, that's what the party wants me to do rather than voting... and I wouldn't ever dream of doubting that the party knows best and has my best interests at heart, always.

:patriot:

[reggie the dog]

202. i dont need a test i know what illegal drugs i take

the lsd from a couple of weeks ago in santa cruz should be gone but the pot from an hour ago would make me fail

[border_town]

127. I kind of get his point though

This is why conservatives are able to get their point across to the American people. Why should independent voters vote for Obama or democrats if fellow liberals complain about the job they are doing? Phycology 101.

[KansasVoter]

129. You notice the GOP not complaining about the extreme right? They GET IT!

[treestar]

162. Notice the extreme right does not go on TV and constantly blog

trashing the Republicans? I can hardly believe you posted that! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[KansasVoter]

171. They complained about Bush all the time. LOL back at you!

[pam4water]

128. He's in the White House now. He's too good for us mere mortals. XD K&R

[zenprole]

130. Far Left = FDR?

The policy solutions that Obama has refused to fight for, or enact outright by executive order, come from the heart of the New Deal, that unfinished project that's been under assault for seven decades.

Listening to Gibbs rant against such immensely popular ideas tells us all we need to know about the current Democratic Party.

[jefferson_dem]

131. Do you think the self-proclaimed "liberals" during FDR's terms...

acted as inanely idiotic and immature as this bunch? Doubt it...

[eridani]

223. Nope. They got appointed to high positions as policymakers n/t

[orbitalman]

133. My liberal assss?? What the hell is wrong with you....NOW??? n/t

[Name removed]

136. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[KansasVoter]

146. I hope he gets the message!

[Overseas]

143. Doesn't it count if the other side-- the Right-- is shouting lies 24/7 ?

Gibbs feels beleaguered because the administration is getting shouted at from both sides. But really-- the other side is telling lies and shouting racist hatred. The progressive side is shouting to PLEASE do what we know works-- jobs jobs jobs, single payer, withdrawal from the Bush wars, stronger financial regulations, etc.

And and and
Had we had the kind of teach-in I wanted at the beginning of their administration-- Even couched as We want to be bipartisan but the Modern Republican Party has gone astray. They used to value fiscal restraint but they took the surpluses they were handed and ran up giant deficits with tax cuts and two privatized wars. They used to value the rule of law but they allowed our military and security forces to commit torture in our name. That is not the smart defense the traditional Republicans wanted. So we Democrats are going to be bipartisan with what used to be solid Republican values-- strengthening our economy and our military and restoring the rule of law."

But the new administration and the Democratic majority we elected to support them just decided to pretend that the Modern Republicans had not driven our country off some devastating ethical and economic cliffs. They continued the bailouts to save us from utter ruin, but didn't stand together as a very solid block and push through Medicare for All when it would have been most defensible on the deepest Democratic values-- our people were bankrupted by the Bush crash and privatized insurance costs and were being foreclosed (evicted) from their homes-- if ever the people needed a bailout, 2009 was the year. We needed every single Democratic legislator to fall in line and have the courage to put the people's needs before their own needs for campaign contributions (bribes) from the corporate sector.

Instead of a very strong Democratic team standing as a block to push our president to stand strongly for Medicare for All, we had a group willing to ignore the suffering of millions of our people and keep courting the perverse modern GOP.

Millions of us voted for the party of FDR but that didn't matter as much as the millions of dollars of corporate funding.

I don't blame President Obama and put it all on him. He needed 100 Alan Graysons and 100 Al Frankens and all Democrats to stay true to the party's agenda. To rebuild Good Government after it had been shredded by Republican mismanagement. But too many chose to hide in the eternal excuse for giving in to the intense corporate power-- gotta be bipartisan.

In doing that, they are the ones who let the Rabid Right proceed on into Hyper-Mania. The bipartisan game allowed the massive right wing PR machinery to crank out more and more abuse.

And we already had the Clinton model to remember. He tried appeasement and the right just kept going and accusing and digging and distracting and weakening his legislation.

How different would things be now if our Democrats had stood tall as a block and decided to resist corporate power on one single thing, Medicare for All? Questions from the public? How is Medicare? Ask your grandma. Ask the citizens of every other industrialized country. They get national health security as a basic compassionate part of their being tax paying citizens. National Health Security. Ask grandma.

Then millions of desperate people losing their jobs and being evicted would at least know they need no longer fear going to the doctor to ask about that cough, or pain in their stomach, or dizzy spells. They wouldn't bankrupt their families if it turned out to be something serious. They had voted for Democrats and finally gotten Medicare for All. National Health Security 2009.

That would have gone a long way toward calming millions of people down. The Democrats we voted for finally became Democrats again and pushed through our lifelong dream of national health security.

Sigh...

[Arkana]

144. Pretty sure the "professional left" meant the folks

who post from behind the safety of a keyboard on blogs that bash his boss without first doing their research and get paid for the privilege, but carry on with the persecuted victim schtick.

Christ, if I took everything government officials said personally I would never vote. Ever.

[KakistocracyHater]

145. or the San Francisco health care, or Hawaii's Healthcare=Universal/Single

Payer Healthcare

[KakistocracyHater]

147. or the San Francisco health care, or Hawaii's Healthcare=Universal/Single

Payer Healthcare

[jillan]

148. What blows me away by all this is - isn't this when they should be motivating the base instead of

pissing on us??

[maritzasolito]

149. I agree with Gibbs and no need to apologize

Here is an O-ED posted on this website some time ago: the email i will probably regret sending--edited with thanks and some responses
by NearlySomebody

Fri Jul 23, 2010 at 11:53:02 PM PDT
Wish I could write something in anger and disgust EVERY morning at 2AM then wake up at 7 and have my wife tell me I am on the rec list. Glad you all find this useful. I am just sick and tired of pussyfooting around HOW WE GOT INTO THIS MESS. For those of you who object to the salty language, my apologies. Please take it out, rinse and repeat. For those of you who asked about how it will affect my relationship with my family, worry not. My family, though politically divided, is big on love and understanding of each other. I have an awesome family. For those who asked if they could use parts of it, by all means, take it away.
For the past few years I have been getting email forwards from my dad. He always asks if they are true, and I always do a little bit of research and debunk them. And that was ok, if annoying. But I finally sent the email I have been fearing I would, and now I wonder about the repercussions.
• NearlySomebody's diary :: ::
•
The email came to my box with the note, "This will probably piss you off..."
Thanks for sending it then; I really love to be pissed off.
The video was some asshat out in Vegas who runs a casino and wants to tell us how badly the American government has failed...and of course, the usual suspects from my dad's email circle all had to chime in and say how right he was and how bad Obama is, etc... ad nauseum... So I replied...
So let me get this straight, the great recession is government's fault, the uncertainty of the American business climate is government's fault, the fact that we are pissing away 12 billion a month in an illegal war for no good reason other than to make money for oil companies is Obama's fault, the fact that when Bush took over we had a record budget surplus and in his 8 years he LOST net jobs (as compared to population growth) and ended up with more deficit in 8 years than we had had in the previous 200...and somehow this is Obama's fault? Jesus Christ. If you sat through the last 8 years and watched the Constitution shredded, our treasure wasted on a war we were LIED into, and the wages and wealth inequity gap get just as big as it was before the Great Depression and then you get mad at liberals, there ain't much I can do for you.
But for starters, what do YOU THINK is going to happen when the top 1% own 33% of everything in America and the top 10% own approximately 65% of it? Who is left to buy all the useless shit that we have to consume just to prop up the economy? Through the combination of union busting, outsourcing, and the ever-shifting tax burden from the rich to the middle class over the last 30 years, the middle class has had to borrow money for the last 3 decades to keep up with the cost of living. Inflation outpaced job earnings over the last 30 years. Think about that. If you don't see that there have been systematic problems in the country for almost as long as I have been alive, you need to start paying attention. They engineered policy to keep interest rates low to make it cheap to borrow money, and that's how we ran America...that's how we HAD to run America because working people were not making enough to make ends meet. So we borrowed and borrowed and borrowed. And then the bill came due. Hey, this is kind of funny! Did you know that Bush raised the debt ceiling 7 times while he was in office? That's like...almost every year he was in office,right? And you want more of that?
So to recap, Bush financed two wars on a credit card by selling debt to China...and NOW you are pissed off about government spending? Bush LOST net jobs...and NOW you are pissed off about jobs? Bush and the republican congress drove the car into the ditch and Obama tried to pull it out, and NOW you're mad? Now? You sleep-walk through the destruction of habeas corpus, through tax dollars spent on torturing people, through illegal and unconstitutional wire-tapping of America citizens, (and this shit is still happening because now it is JUST THE WAY WE DO THINGS HERE. THANKS!) through illegally outing an American spy for a political grudge, through the deregulatory enabling of Enron, Worldcom, and the shredding of Glass-Steagall (when they did the same thing with savings and loans we got the S&L implosion of the 80s...so we deregulated banks and got the banking implosion of the aughts. Which part of that is difficult to understand?) Your email circle slept through all of that, and NOW they get mad. Unfuckingbelievable.
Here, have some fun facts about wages in America: http://www.businessinsider.com/... Look through the slide show and tell me what you see. Rich getting richer, everyone else getting poorer.
Now some dipshit who owns a casino is going to lecture me about financial responsibility? A casino owner is going to lecture me about the proper use of my money? Really? Some asshole who is moving his corporate headquarters to China so he won't have to pay any taxes to America, a system whose government-subsidized roads and airlines supply him with an endless supply of morons who will gamble away their money at his resort? Give. Me. A. Break. If it were not for federal and state money supplying them with water, do you think they could even live out there in the FUCKING DESERT? Fuck him.
The reason we have an oil spill in the gulf, the reason the economy collapsed, and the reason we have wasted so much money in Iraq (did they find those WMDs yet?) is because government did NOT do its requisite job of oversight and regulation. The market is not rational...PEOPLE are rational. That is, if you are the guy who realizes that he can rip people off for billions of dollars and not get in trouble for it, you will, every single time. That is a cold, rational decision, the products of which we are suffering through right now. When you give regulators jobs to "regulate" and then tell them sort of tacitly that the market is infallible and that they should not interfere, you get this: http://www.dailytech.com/... People making 200k a year (paid by taxpayers) to watch porn in their offices instead of doing their jobs. Then, the failsafe for republicans is they can turn around and say, "See! Government doesn't work!" Right, because those assholes are systematically trying to destroy it. You drive the economy into a ditch we have not seen since 1930, and then you bitch about Obama spending tax money to try to fix it? Where is the disconnect here exactly? Do you think McCain would have done a better job? Sarah Palin? For fuck's sake, if she is our savior we're in big trouble (even though she does read ALL OF THE MAGAZINES). Drill baby drill? That's your platform? HA! Then Bobby Jindal is going to bitch because the federal government is not helping them enough? Just drill some more and remember when you said this: "We oppose the national Democratic view that says the way to strengthen our country is to increase dependence on government. We believe the way to strengthen our country is to restrain spending in Washington, to empower individuals and small businesses to grow our economy and create jobs." Yeah, Bobby, this is deregulation come home to roost. Suck it.
Then to cap it all off, every email forward your friends have sent in the last 8 years has been false. (Remember, these are the "rational" republicans, not the naive and emotional democrats!) I mean, republicans are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own realities. Everything that you guys are passing around and getting all worked up about is, you know, pretty much a lie created specifically to manipulate you into being angry.
Do I seem pissed? I have to tell you, it is not just because of some douchebag casino owner. It is because there seems to be two kinds of people in America: people who try to make America better for the greatest number of people on one side and people who lie, deny scientific evidence, and try to kill you for being a democrat on the other. In case Fox hasn't been covering it, there was yet another murderous patriot last week on the hunt for liberals. He was going to go shoot up the ACLU in San Francisco because Glenn Beck put it in his mind to. He was going to go kill liberals...liberals like me. And every time your friends fire off another email full of lies, the world gets a little less safe for people like me. And that is why I am pissed.
There, rant done.

[ejbr]

150. k & r n/t

[bluestateboomer]

151. Kicked and damn well rec'd!

:nuke:

[alarimer]

152. When they lose big this November, they will STILL blame the left.

And they will try even harder to appease Republicans, even though it gets them NOTHING. People will vote against them because they have no spine and will not do the right thing EVER. By pissing off liberals, it ensures a lower turnout among disaffected Democrats. There is no fighting spirit there at all; they are not even trying at this point.

[SlingBlade]

154. Guess What Gibbs ....

Paybacks a Beeyotch !

[treestar]

155. I guess that was back before you said Bush was just like Obama

And you did not elect Obama all by yourself! Other people helped, too!

[rainbow4321]

157. Oldie but goodie

Ahem...at this rate, it needs to be edited/photoshopped to add Gibbs somewhere between Condi, chimp, Rummy, Delay...


http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=mrmyxZwpk3E&feature=related

[amborin]

158. K&R

[Paladin]

163. K&R. Nicely Put, KV. (n/t)

[me b zola]

170. K&R

[maritzasolito]

172. “Being wrong while being right”

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/8/10/891907/-Being-wrong-while-being-right
Being wrong while being right
by blackwaterdog

Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 04:28:34 PM PDT
• blackwaterdog's diary :: ::
“Gibbs did a stupid thing, he should have known better, but he told the truth. And those who actually read all his comments know that he was NOT talking about the grassroots, about people who worked hard to get Barack Obama elected, not to mention the 90% approval he's got among Liberals - it's a bad spin - he talked about the same people Michael Moore once called "The Professional Left", those who makes very good money from their job as "Lefties", regardless the reality, regardless the damage they inflict.
It's about joining the Right Wing in creating a narrative of failure around a very good Liberal president. It's just amazing. In 18 months of some of the most toxic political environment in history, the man did more to promote the progressive cause than anyone but two other presidents, and he's "Like Bush"?
You can't just criticize him ALL THE TIME, never have his back, and then insist that it's about keeping his feet on fire. No one except Rachel Maddow even bother to mention most of the great progressive stuff that he has done. There's a whole new criteria for this president - Do twice the job for half the credit.
When the most Liberal president in decades is labeled as "Bush" 24/7 by the "Liberal media", when Right Wing talking points being used as weapon against him from the left - then it doesn't matter much who will win this November. Or in 2012 – and i'm almost ready to bet that it won't be Barack Obama, that he'll take the family and go home. I'm pretty sure that Bill Maher can win the election.”
The right wing must be very happy at the reaction of the left; welcome to the tea-baggers wagon US lefties!
We sure deserve all the shit that we get from the “right”!

[eridani]

224. Yes, hi is talking about the grassroots

The grassroots wants Canadian health care.

[quiet.american]

173. What a sight to behold.

Thank you, Robert Gibbs, for telling it like it is.

[Skittles]

176. he told it like it is

bashing Democrats while failing to let's say, bash the fuckups who got us into this mess or the batshit insane teabaggers who so miss those fuckups :puke:

[KansasVoter]

177. LOL......see how you feel in 2012!

[riverbendviewgal]

174. Why is having health care like Canadian Health care a fairy tale?

Canadians don't understand why most Americans are so afraid to have health care like us....
I was born in the USA and came to Canada years ago and now a Canadian citizen.

I have been well taken care of in my Canada. There are no medical bills, no 2nd thoughts whether to see the doctor because it might cost me in dollars. I go when I a sick...I go get annual physicals.

I was able to go see the doctor, get tests, go to hospital when I had no job, when my job made minimum wage and when I had a better paying job. I'm retired now. It's great. We Canadians have better health because we have preventative care.


We have a better banking system too that the government watches over. Consequently we haven't had the severity of the depression like America has gone through.

And we don't have 700 plus military bases all over the world. Canadians want out of Afghanistan, no matter how much Harper wants to stay. We are peacekeepers not occupiers.

I resented Gibbs diss on Canada.
So surprised as most Canadians do love Obama. I am very disappointed.

[Major Hogwash]

175. They only say that in D.C. Everywhere else, everyone is envious of your system.

From Portland, Maine to Portland, Oregon.

The Canadian Healthcare system meme was started by the Republicans, and now Gibbs is using it to make it sound like they were right!!!

It's ridiculous, and as an American, I apologize to you for what he said.
It was dumb.
It was ridiculous.

[defendandprotect]

179. Gibbs is admitting that there is a corporate agenda in control --

and sadly in control of this administration!!

Corporate PAYOLA -- pre-BRIBED and pre-OWNED politicians make it unlikely that

we can get past the insurance/health care industry!!

Canadians are smart -- I'm sure eventually they will see what most liberals/progressives

in America see now in Obama -- it's corporate and not pretty!!

[eridani]

225. Plus marriage equality and medical marijuana

I'd consider emigrating there, but I'm too old.

[defendandprotect]

178. You're not too "left" and not "unrealistic" ...EVERY other nation has universal health care ....

we have pre-OWNED and pre-BRIBED elected officials and we have to stop

pretending that's not what's wrong with our political system!!

And, understand that's exactly what's wrong with the Obama corporate agenda!!

But, please -- join with other liberals and progressives in developing a Plan B --

don't go off alone!!

We've been idiots to believe this alleged "Chess Game" for 18 months behind which

much damage has been done -- and many opportunities squandered -- but most of us are

awake now and we need to stick together!!

This arrogance by Gibbs should be welcomed by us -- it gives us a better idea of where

we stand with Obama!!


And re the wars -- you're right there also -- The day after the '06 election, Pelosi said

-- on video -- "Democrats were elected to end the war!" -- and then Democrats proceeded to

refinance the wars bankrutping our Treasury for four years now!!

No easier way to destroy democracy than to bankrupt the Treasury!!



Gibbs should be fired -- and we need a new presidential candidate in 2012 --

How about Grayson?


But I will say this . . . every Democrat needs to set their BS meter LOTS HIGHER!!

[KansasVoter]

186. Thank You!!

[NBachers]

180. Fire Robert Gibbs

Fire Robert Gibbs

[cjbgreen]

214. We only fire Democrats!

Not the right of center, Sumner, Geitner, Emmanuel,

[lonestarnot]

181. Now is he fucking fired yet?

[Mendocino]

182. Time for Gibbs to

update his resume.

[newspeak]

185. I'm voting and I think everyone should go out and vote

and the reason why is to get as many democrats elected as possible. Fill congress with democrats and then see if there's more excuses for serving us shite and telling us it's cake. Privatize social security? Easy if you got a repug congress, but not if there's a big majority of democrats. And, if they betray their constituents-well, I believe the parties over. Expose the repukes in dems clothing-expose them for what they are. Hell yeah, I'm voting and I'm going to be watching them and see if they take off their masks exposing themselves or if they are REAL democrats.

With a big majority, there won't be anymore "we couldn't do it because of the repugs" or "we just had to compromise so much, sorry it looks like something the repugs want." No, I think every repug and democrat should vote for democrats--put them all to test and then we'll ALL see if progressive bills get passed.

[bertman]

184. The Green Party should send Gibbsy a big fat bouquet of red roses.

What a stoopid shit he is.

[reggie the dog]

188. I will not vote Democrat for governor of Illinois

if my last Democratic party governor is found guilty of selling obamas senate seat. the results should fall any day now. hell i may not vote democrat even if he is let off. the last republican governor was also arrested out of office, sorry but i will likely vote green in november for governor of illinois and that has nothing to do with the DC democrats. Quite honestly i will not vote DLC candidates if they for senate or house at either the state or federal level nor for governor nor for president, if enough of us do this the republicans will win in the short term but in the long term the democratic party may finally figure out that their base is working people who most benefit from true leftist liberal and green politics. if the greens can get double digits again in illinois perhaps four years later the democrats will incorporate many of the ideals of the green party into their platform as opposed to incorporating the ideals of the republican party into their platform. In the long run i want a truly liberal left of center democratic party and damn it i am not an extremist for wanting something that exists in many other democratic countries, a center of left party which works to improve the overall well being of the general public. this is not extreme it is simply opposed to corporate greed. I AM NOT AN EXTREMIST I AM SIMPLY OPPOSED TO A CORPORATE GREED BASED SOCIETY!

[newspeak]

212. no, you are not an extremist

and I understand. But, the democratic base needs their eyes to open. I've heard all of the apologies for Clinton's terms and I know what he passed-and some of the bills passed is part of our problem today. We need a clear majority, where they can use no excuses and finally see the "writing on the wall." It needs to finally be exposed to all, who in both parties are really working for the people and who are corrupted and influenced by global corporations.

But, you see it is more than that. I believe it is TREASON against the people and the security of our country to allow certain (global)foreign business entities to have such influence and power over the country. What those on wall street have done (and being more globally minded) not only screwed countries all over the world, but brought down the economic security of this country. They have threatened the security and well being of this country.

[Forkboy]

194. He's an unthinking, short sighted dickhead.

[krabigirl]

198. Why not a 3rd or 4th party? They are only defunct because no one organizes and votes for them.

[truthrocks]

200. Gibbs Gotta' Go

Gibbs is singularly the WORST press secretary in my lifetime and I'm 66 years old! In an era when we face an unprescedented and purposeful character assassination of a President, by the Republicans, Gibbs' "cute" and "joking" persona has been devastating to this administration's narrative. Gibbs has done more harm to President Obama's agenda than any other factor, and there are many! It has been so, from day one. I hope this current incident will start a process of getting this joker out of a seriously important role in the WH.

[pengillian101]

203. I so agree - "Gibbs Gotta' Go" n/t

[flyarm]

204. K&R!! thanks!

[emsimon33]

205. Nothing like lifting your leg & pissing on your base

Wat to go, Gibbs!

[newtothegame]

206. Let's be honest, any liberal that was knocking on doors for Obama was kidding themselves anyway...

There was nothing in Obama's past or experience that should have given anyone the impression he would be a progressive President.

And if you wanna say, "Well, he said this, or he said that," then the next question is why, after hundreds of years of every politician in American history lying their ass off, did tens of millions of Americans decide that THIS GUY was telling the truth????? :shrug:

[deutsey]

209. I voted for Obama, but based on the campaign reporting on Democracy Now

I wasn't expecting him to be a progressive president.

I had many friends who were enthusiastically hopeful that he'd come in like a new FDR or something, but based on what I was hearing about all the Wall Street types and military hawks that were on his team, I knew that wouldn't happen. The best I was hoping for was Obama making sure some concessions were being made to the protect the interests of people like me (refugees from what once had been the American middle class) and people like those I come from (working-class/working poor).

I have been disappointed. In all honesty though, I think it will be 100 times worse if the Republicans regain power.

:evilfrown:

[EFerrari]

218. Not really. Some people decided that was the best deal they could make. n/t

[bc3000]

207. Well said, but I'm taking it a tiny step further: he has lost my vote.

[mike r]

219. Gibbs is burnishing his "anti-leftist" credentials for a lucrative corporate PR career

after November.