Somewhere, someone loved Jerry.

[BeHereNow]

Sure the guy was the anti-thesis of all that Christ taught, but
please, do consider that people who loved him are hurting terribly right now.
Every word posted here counts and has the potential to cause great pain
to another.
Take the high road DU.
Please?

BHN

[WindRavenX]

1. then they will mourn him.

I won't.

I'm a member of the community he strove to villify and destroy.
High road?

Oh,I'm sorry--I've hurt one of his family member's friends! Oh noes! Why didn't they speak up on behalf of all the pain he's caused to me and my community.

[BeHereNow]

4. And so sinking to his level helps who?

BHN

[WindRavenX]

5. Am I calling for the death of an entire community?

Am I blaming 9/11 on gays, lesbians, and ACLUers?

Somehow, I don't think I'm sinking to his level.


"Blow 'em away in the name of the lord!"

Yeah, I'm *really* stooping to his level :rofl:

[Bluerthanblue]

24. please

try to hear this in the spirit i'm trying to say it in WindRavenX-

What I find disturbing in the attitude you are supporting isn't that you don't have reason to feel every single emotion that being harmed by someone for NO REASON feels-!!! But when those who have faced the pain that Falwell's words cause- turn, and say basically-

"f--- his 'family'- screw those who are mourning- those who grieve this mans death- I could care less- 'cause he was a cruel man, who didn't care what his words did to others"

Can you see the connection? Can you see why even though many share the outrage and bear the wounds that the hate he preached inflicted, say STOP!!!- don't do this!!!

Don't let the same kind of destructive attitude rule YOU- ???

I wish i could say this clearer- people don't have to pretend his life should be celebrated- but right now, this ISN'T about Falwell- it's about US- individually. We CHOOSE to act in ways that destroy, or build up. I want to spread peace, acceptance, healing and kindness- and i don't believe we can do that with hate. do you?? really???

I hope you can hear this despite me-
peace,
blu

[WindRavenX]

26. he hated my community.

I chose to not mourn him.

It's as simple as that.

I don't hate his family , I wish his family peace for dealing with his evil, but that's it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. Sinking to whose level?

Jerry Falwell's?

Do you know who Jerry Falwell is was?

[BeHereNow]

12. Yes, of course I do.

He is dead now and it's between him and God now.
I deplore everything the man did and said.
But, I will not prove him right by becoming the thing he accused us of.

Sometimes the level of hate on DU astounds me.
Again, I say take the high road so that no blame can be cast
upon us.

Those who behave as civil beings can not be associated
with all that he strove to associate us with.

BHN

[karlrschneider]

13. I guess I missed where he has already been Beatified.

:puke:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. The things he accused us of?

I'm a homosexual, n*****-loving commie who has AIDS and wants to molest children at Disneyland and am about to be smashed by a meteor?

Falwell's worm food.

Get over it.

[Moochy]

8. WindRavenX

Self-Expression is a good thing.

[WindRavenX]

10. I express myself damn fine

Yessire. :toast:

[Moochy]

17. Indeed

And I heartily condone it! I don't condone others telling you how to react! :beer:

[karlrschneider]

2. Anybody who loved that pigfucking shitbag doesn't deserve any commiseration.

Fuck 'em.

[Bluerthanblue]

41. you might want to consider

that those who 'loved' him might be in more need of commiseration than anyone else in the world.

We don't honestly get to 'choose' who we love, and who we are connected to, most of the time. Love isn't something people can simply 'turn off' because the person is someone we don't like.

There are those who are connected to people who don't live very 'nice' lives- but who are a 'part' of them none the less- We don't choose our parents- and sometimes even the worlds worst parent is still loved by their child(ren). It not only hurts to have 'them' as a parent- it hurts to lose hope that things could change- and hurts to know that people hate you because of who your parent was- and maybe you hate yourself a bit, because of what you feel- or don't feel. At any rate, it is not a position anyone would CHOOSE to be in. Yet you say you've chosen to hate them- ???

I choose to extend sympathy to those who are in mourning for the loss of a loved one- Doing this doesn't say anything about the character or deeds of the deceased- it says more about what "we" truly hold dear- and believe- despite all claims to the contrary-

"Hatred cannot drive out hatred- only love can." MLKjr.

peace,
blu

[BeHereNow]

46. "Hatred cannot drive out hatred- only love can." MLKjr." THANK YOU!

And that is my point exactly.
BHN

[karlrschneider]

50. My father was a bigot, a racist and a fan of Hitler. I suppose I did 'love' him on some level

but I sure didn't like him. And I didn't much mourn when he died. I haven't been to his grave since they plonked him into it...in 1959. I don't really even know exactly where it is.

[cherokeeprogressive]

74. Hey! Did we have the same father?

Actually, that'd be impossible since I wasn't born until 61. But I believe we may have experienced some of the same bigotry and racism at home. I can remember one Sunday, my dad had a bbq party for folks at his work. His Asst. Plant Manager was black. Very nice man, with a wonderful family. They were the last to leave that day, and I remember sitting in the back yard listening to my dad and Roscoe (yeah, stereotypical maybe, but that was his name) laugh about work, people, life, and everything else while they were drinking Budweiser like it was water. As we were standing in the driveway waving to them as they left, my dad said something like "I'm sure glad that NI@@ER is gone".

My whole world changed that day.

He's still alive, and I can stand no more than a two day visit to his house before I've had enough of him, his attitudes, his meanness, and bill fucking o'lie-ly.

I've tried, so help me I've tried. I even took my medicinal marijuana perscription with me when I visited last, trying to get him to try it for his pain instead of limpdick's hillbilly heroin. Good thing I did it on the night before we left to come home...

The only thing that makes me anxious about his passing is the fact that I'll be the "Patriarch". I'm not mature enough for that!

[karlrschneider]

75. When I was a kid, I made friends with Jewish and black kids.

My old man would feign a kind of acceptance but when they left, I heard the same kinds of comments you mention.
He spent a couple of years in a German university (Karlsrhue) which got me my first name...at least that's what he claimed, in the late 1930s and I didn't really grasp until I was grown that it was probably the genesis of his nazi leanings. He even sported a mustache exactly like Adolph's. I shit you not.
:eyes:

[cherokeeprogressive]

76. We had a John Birch Society decal in the window of our front door.

I won't even repeat what I used to hear him say about Martin Luther King Jr, Jews, or anyone of any color at all. The funniest thing? My mom is a card-carrying member of the Cherokee Tribe, and my grandfather (the FULLBLOOD) looked more like Muddy Waters than anybody I've ever seen.

Wow. Germany in the late 30's. The mustache? Nightmarish stuff. I can't imagine what he must have been like. Actually, I'm not sure I want to know.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. klan members... neo-nazis... gay bashers...

[WindRavenX]

6. STOP IT. YOU';ll HURT SOMEONE'S FEELINGS

Neo-nazis are people too!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

9. why are the someones who loved him on a liberal message board?

is anyone here picketing his funeral?

[Left Is Write]

15. Excellent question.

I sincerely doubt Jerry Falwell's loved ones are reading DU. And if they are, they should stop. For their own good.

[BeHereNow]

16. And WHEN did I say I loved him?

I deplored the man and everything he espoused which is why
I refuse to give credence to his passing by being the person he
accused me of being.

BHN

[La Lioness Priyanka]

20. i said why would anyone of his friends or relatives be reading DU?

[BeHereNow]

23. One day, perhaps one of his grandchildren will search him on the net.

A child, innocent of the misguided deeds of a beloved grandfather.
I, for one, will not be party to the hate fest over his death.
He spread plenty of hate all by himself.
I am ashamed to see DU behave exactly as he did.
What, you use one measuring stick for him and another for yourself?
What's the difference?
Hate is hate.
Period.

BHN

[La Lioness Priyanka]

28. no not all hate is the same. the jews had every right to spit on hitlers grave.

hitler had no right to cause genocide.

[BeHereNow]

31. Maybe you should listen to some Martin Luther King Jr tapes about NOW.

Or perhaps Ghandi.
Yeah hate begets hate is ALWAYS the solution.
BHN

[Moochy]

29. so now we are concerned about falwell's grandkids ??

OMG WHO WILL THINK OF THE CHILDREN????

You can not be serious.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

33. yeah this is a bit nonsensical. his grandchildren will be shocked that some people hated

their asshole of a grandfather. dear god! :eyes:

[BeHereNow]

40. But not surprised that we were capable of such hatred...

And that is the point.

BHN

[BeHereNow]

34. Absolutely- at this point his kids have every reason to believe what he said about us.

Yeah, hate is such a productive element of change...
Works all the time.
I repeat- the hypocrisy of DU makes me ill at this moment.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

BHN

[Moochy]

37. Well I guess its not a joke

but I dont beleive you. We'll have to agree to disagree.

(dance)

[karlrschneider]

53. You're like the judge who watched the porno movie 500 times so he could decide

if it was obscene.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

45. Hopefully any grandchild of Falwell's

will know what a rotten human being he was. I pity the ones that don't.

[BeHereNow]

55. And I will leave no footprint on this earth, the net included, to persuade them otherwise.

By not expressing hatred or joy at his passing- perhaps I will further the
case against him as the hate monger he was.

BHN

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

57. To each their own.

I'll persuade them by making fun of their dead grandfather.

[BeHereNow]

59. And thus confirm his belief about you in their minds and hearts.

Perfect.
BHN

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

62. If the kids haven't figured it out...

They're as rotten as he was.

[BeHereNow]

64. And everything you have posted on this thread will make it more so. N/T

BHN

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

65. Nothing I've posted in this thread...

has anything to do with what Falwell's kids think or don't think.

[Omphaloskepsis]

18. You stole my words... I was going to say something similar..

But, I was going to use more profanity, and even bitch about Microsoft too.

[stillcool]

11. His passing is a blessing...

to far many more than are grieving. I'm sure those who grieve will find comfort, in the fact that his hateful words will continue to live in many hearts.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. No doubt. But it wasn't me.

Think about it -- virtually everybody has somebody who loves them; even Hitler had Eva Braun.

[ScreamingMeemie]

21. True.

But it wasn't me. Somewhere Jerry Falwell hurt a loved one of mine. He's dead now...I'm sure Jerry didn't cry over him.

[BeHereNow]

25. And so, we call him a hate monger while we do the same?

I'm disgusted by DU right now.
To behave in the same manner makes us no different.

BHN

[ScreamingMeemie]

36. Sorry. I loved my uncle. Jerry Falwell said he deserved to die.

Jerry Falwell told me that I was a failure as a wife and a human being. I am not crying over Jerry Falwell this evening. It would be...what's the word? Hypocritical.

[leftofthedial]

22. that's a sick fucking thought

but true

[BeHereNow]

27. The fucking hypocrisy here make me sick.

Jerry was a hate monger, but when WE do it, it's something different.
Uh-huh.

BHN

[WindRavenX]

30. that's the thing that you don't get

I don't hate him.

I am, however, glad he is gone and he will not be calling for the death of my community.

[Moochy]

32. Hate one man, hate an entire class of people

Which is worse?

One is based on a sober reading of the hateful rhetoric spewed by this bigoted asshole his entire life.

The other is based on racism, and bigotry.

[BlooInBloo]

38. According to unthinking idiots, who live for the chance to say gays/black folks/etc...

... are "just as bad", they'll just say "hate is hate".

Watch all of the self-avowed "friends" to gay folks at a time like this - see which ones start accusing gay folks of "hatred" or of being "just as bad" as someone-or-other. You know who is *truly* with-you-without-being-one-of-you at a time such as this.

Similarly, white folks show their true faces to black folks at analogous times.

The duplicity is shocking at first, but it gets to be old hat after awhile.

[BeHereNow]

39. It does not MATTER what color, creed or sexual prefernece a person has- HATE IS HATE.

And I've seen plenty of it here today.
Being BLACK, GAY or a so called "liberal" is not a pass
for expressing HATE.
It's the same pair of shoes no matter who is wearing them.
And I despise it.
BHN

[BlooInBloo]

42. Defense rests.

[Moochy]

43. You are wrong

You are making a false assertion that all hate is equal. Like it's an alchemical element.

You are holier than me, I guess for being free of the element of hate. It must be nice to live hate-free, gosh maybe you can write a book telling people how they can be free of that pesky hate.

Your equation that all hate is equal is wrong, simplistic and insulting to thinking people everywhere.

[BeHereNow]

48. I repeat...you might want to listen to Martin Luther King Jr. on the subject.

BHN

[Moochy]

51. Perhaps I just want to ignore your bs

Yeah that will be more productive for everyone concern. Continue to shame the haters, and feel superior for it.

[BeHereNow]

56. Please, do use the "hide thread" option.

We do not begin to speak the same language and therefore, I see no reason for
further discourse between us.
We are working from two entirely different perspectives on
how to best effect change in this sad, old, HATE ridden world.

BHN

[Moochy]

67. I guess I find your example of the grandkids ludicrous

at best, and maybe I wrote off your entire thread because of that "grandkids reading DU " bit.

Look just take the high road and don't tell others how to react to this hatemonger's passing.

That's the true high road, not your sanctimonious OP.

[Moochy]

49. By "Here" do you mean your post?

because from this vantage your post is pretty hypocritical to equate people's hate for Falwell with the hate speech he spewed.

[RiverStone]

35. why suggest any road....?

All are legitimate. High, low, or no road - everyone has a choice.

It's an individual thing - words can also offer great comfort. And who's to say which is which? I can tell you I grew up in Falwell's Bible Belt; and he was a master at spewing words with the potential to cause great pain. I saw it first hand.

I'm not dancing on his grave, but I'm also not going to tell someone else whether they should or not.

peace~

[Snarkoleptic]

44. Somewhere, someone loved Jerry.

Right you are...
The 'somewhere' that you refer to is a bizarro place called the bushco* White House.
This alliance helped to consolidate power and mobilize the right wing base.
All of the hate speak brought out the 80 IQ single-issue-voters allowing the neocons to rape the land, trample the consitiution, and make the government into a spend-it-all-before-the-rapture arm of big business.
</rant-off>

[La Lioness Priyanka]

47. welcome to du! and yes you are right!

[bobbolink]

52. The Amish recently gave us a good model to follow, and they did it in the midst of great

loss and pain.

Peace is either a way of life for us at all times, or it's just a mirage.

[Rex]

54. I doubt anyone loved Jerry.

nt

[nini]

58. I'm sure they're not reading DU

Seriously, do you think anyone who truly loved that man would be reading this?

[BeHereNow]

61. Perhaps not tonight, but perhaps in ten years.

I happen to believe that it is between him and his maker.personally, I do not want
to be remembered for behaving exactly as he did.

BHN

[Bluebear]

69. Well, in 10 years, with their immediate grief over, they can see what he was thought of.

That is not our fault, it is his.

[nini]

79. Our rants don't get near the level of what he said/did

Our words today won't change the path of the country as far as the separation of church and state. Our words won't deny any minority group any of their undeniable rights. Our words don't blame anyone but his hateful self.

But, good for you - you don't have to worry about what some unknown assholes will have to think about you 10 years from now. I'm sure they'll be searching the archives just to get hurt by our words.

[Bluebear]

63. My sentiments exactly. nt

[Breeze54]

60. How do you get to decide?

Who made you the moral DU comment nanny? :shrug:

------------------------------------------------------

Falwell Refuses To Apologize For Lucifer Attack, Swears To Repeat It ‘Over And Over Again’

Appearing on MSNBC today, Rev. Jerry Falwell responded to criticism of his recent attack
comparing Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) to Lucifer. Asked whether his remarks were disrespectful,
Falwell said, “I do not.” MSNBC’s anchor then asked, “So I take this to mean that will you not
be apologizing to Hillary Clinton?” Falwell answered, “No, I will say it over and over again.”
Falwell said it was clear his comments were tongue-in-cheek “because there’s no way that
Lucifer’s going to run .”

Watch it: http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/26/falwell-devil-response/

MSNBC: Do you believe you were disrespectful?

FALWELL: I do not.
…
MSNBC: Do I take this to mean that you’re not going to be apologizing to Senator Clinton?

FALWELL: No, I’ll be saying it over and over again.

---------------

Nothing posted on DU will effect the relatives of Fartwell!
I'm sure his grandkiddies have already learned his vile message and behaviors!

[BeHereNow]

66. If there is one thing I know it is that TWO wrongs have never made it right.

BHN

[Moochy]

70. little wrong vs. big wrong

apparently blaming gays and feminists for 911 is the same exact size wrong as posters expressing joy over falwell's passing.

That is your broken equation, not mine.

[Breeze54]

73. This IS a messageboard, not a church!!

This IS a messageboard, not a church!! :eyes:

[blues90]

68. somewhere , someone loves spiders too .

Sorry , couldn't help myself

[cherokeeprogressive]

77. Aww, I could have gone all day without hearing about SPIDERS n/t.

[rainbow4321]

71. Falwell stole his roommate's fiance

Wish they would find the roommate and have him share HIS version of the "long story"


http://www.bhsbees.com/jerry_falwell_bio.htm

I first saw Macel on my conversion night, January 20, 1952. She was playing the church piano. We met shortly thereafter. At the time, she was engaged. I had my work cut out for me. As fate would have it, her fiancée was my dorm roommate at BBC later that year. It is a long story, but God brought us together before 1952 was history. We have been in love ever since.

[pitohui]

72. yeah and someone somewhere loved hitler too

the difference is she had the decency to go down w. the ship when he passed

look, anybody who really, truly loved falwell is an evil shithead

evil shitheads do not deserve my sympathy, they deserve my scorn, and it is our duty as human beings to put peer pressure and scorn on those who encourage hate of gays, liberals, and atheists

thank you for playing

[Pale Blue Dot]

78. Nah. Thanks for your input, though! nt