McCain calls for immediate withdrawal, cutting off funds

[femmedem]

Yes, you read it right. And here is the direct quote from Sen. McCain:

"One would hope that with adequate consultation with Congress, the administration would avoid future blunders that needlessly put at risk the lives of our troops. If they do not avoid such mistakes, Congress has the right to refuse to fund them."

What if the President refuses to change course?

"But should he persist in making them, our legislative resources should be to terminate them as quickly as we can by denying them funds for further implementation once they have been made."

So why the change of heart?

Well, because it was a different President. The year was 1993, and the country was Somalia. This is the McCain admendment calling for immediate withdrawal from Somalia, and cutting off funds if the President did not heed the call.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1/31/93854/1896

Sorry I don't know how to add the text boxes to make this easier to read.

[Tatiana]

1. Good find.

Such hypocrites... all of them.

[no_hypocrisy]

2. But . . . . but . . . . but how can we fund the Surge that McCain totally

endorsed? I don't get it . . . .

[Bucky]

3. I think you're ignoring the real difference between the Somali and Iraqi operations

The difference is size. No, not the size of the boner McCain sports when he thinks about deploying troops, but the number of people killed by the mission. If Poppy sends troops into Somalia and hands the ball off to Clinton, whereupon 18 are killed, it's a tragic mistake by the second president who inherited the mission. If 3000 are killed, then it's a comma, a mere bump in the road on the way to securing the lockstep uniformity of freedom on the march.

[PsN2Wind]

8. To paraphrase Stalin

"Eighteen deaths are a tragedy, 3,075 are a statistic".

[asjr]

4. McCain receives the "Flip-Flopper"

award of the decade. He will personally receive the Medal of Honor from the president.

[napi21]

5. I'd LOVE to see someone in the MSMplay a clip of that as a

headline, thenadd YOUR comment about a diff. Prez from a diff. Party!

[femmedem]

10. Well, not my comment. It's a diarist at dailykos.

But I'm glad you enjoyed it as much as I did. And yeah, that would be sweet to see it on MSM.

[ticapnews]

6. Wait for it...

"9/11 changed everything."

This is the amendment McCain proposed to cut off spending for troops in Somalia

http://tinyurl.com/2tto3p

MCCAIN (AND OTHERS) AMENDMENT NO. 1043 (Senate - October 14, 1993)



Mr. McCAIN (for himself, Mr. Gramm, Mr. Gorton, Mr. Smith, Mr. D'Amato, Mr. Roth, Mrs. Hutchison, Mr. Wallop, Mr. Coats, Mr. Faircloth, Mr. Pressler, Mr. Craig, Mr. Mack, Mr. Brown, Mr. Hatch, Mr. Kempthorne, Mr. Nickles, Mr. Burns, and Mr. Murkowski) proposed an amendment to the bill H.R. 3116, supra; as follows:

At the appropriate place in the bill, insert the following new section:

SEC. . PROHIBITION ON THE USE OF FUNDS FOR UNITED STATES MILITARY OPERATIONS IN SOMALIA.

(a) Prohibition.--No funds appropriated or otherwise made available in this or any other Act to the Department of Defense may be obligated for support of operations of United States Armed Forces in Somalia except as provided for in subsection (b).

(b) Exceptions.--

(1) funds may be appropriated or otherwise made available for continued operations of United States Armed Forces in Somalia to support the prompt and orderly withdrawal of all United States Armed Forces from Somalia in a manner most consistent with the safety of United States personnel.

(2) funds may be appropriated or otherwise made available for continued operations of United States Armed Forces in Somalia in the event that American prisoners of war have not been returned to United States authorities and Americans missing in action have not been accounted for.

[NNN0LHI]

7. He was screaming for Clinton to "Get boots on the ground." in Kosovo too

We would still be there had Clinton listened to this fool.

Don

[FrenchieCat]

18. Actually, that may have been one time he got it right....

Boots on the ground would have been much better for the civilian population of Kosovo....much better than High Altitude arial strikes as they were.

[NNN0LHI]

27. McCain wanted to intensify the bombing even if it meant more civilian casualties

That was NOT a case of McCain getting it right. McCain is nuts.

Don

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/04/02/president.2000/crossfire.transcript/

Crossfire transcript: Sen. John McCain calls for resolve in Yugoslavia

Aired April 1, 1999

April 2, 1999
Web posted at: 10:02 a.m. EST (1502 GMT)

NOVAK: But I just -- what is your position on what can be done -- General Clark is saying we have long memories. Are they going to send in a SWAT team to get Milosevic? What are the options that the United States has in this case?

MCCAIN: I think it's as follows, Bob, increase the intensity of the bombing, recognizing that that entails civilian casualties. That's the reason why war is so terrible. And it may even mean losses of aircraft.

It also means that we should, as quickly as possible, prepare for the ground troops option if necessary. And obviously, that's the last one.

In the meantime, there's a whole lot of things we can do with our Apache helicopters, with A-10 Warthogs and with a number of other assets that we have, and devote it all.

And by the way, do not let our NATO "allies" -- quote-unquote -- veto any targets that General Clark feels are necessary to be struck in order to win this conflict.

[Sammy Pepys]

9. He's posturing

It's unlikely Congress would able to do so, and McCain knows it. A fraud like the rest of them.

[Miss Chybil]

17. This happened in the PAST. He was talking about Somalia. nt

[meldroc]

11. This one should be added to John McCain vs. John McCain...

[zbdent]

12. Wouldn't be surprised if this was just after

the wall-to-wall coverage of three bodies being dragged naked through the streets ...

[Lasher]

13. But wait, there's more

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"
--Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."
--Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of then-Governor George W Bush (R-TX)

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
--Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/17/144732/740

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[femmedem]

14. text box, here I come

Will you program my VCR?

Oh crap, I don't have a TV.

(Thank you.):)

[Lasher]

19. Yay, I knew you could do it!

Anybody who can make soap can work with HTML coding. Would you like to now edit the message and put some text in the box?

[femmedem]

20. I tried to the first time,

but when I hit preview I hit post by mistake. Pathetic.

A little secret: soapmaking's for technophobes.

My college roommate and I used to joke that we didn't even know how to work toasters. An exaggeration--but you know what? Twenty five years later I still don't have a toaster.

Edit to add: I fixed it! A miracle.

[Lasher]

23. I do a little gardening myself.

I lost track of how many tomatoes and pickles I put up in Mason jars last year but it was a boatload.

[Lasher]

22. You're welcome, I'm real proud of you.

If I had to program a VCR I think I would find a teenager to do it. That's what I do when I have to set up a new cell phone. :hi:

Good OP, BTW.

[skipos]

15. Please visit TheRealMcCain.com to see what flip flopper this guy is.

http://therealmccain.com/

[tritsofme]

16. Such is why senators are rarely elected president.

Especially guys that have been there a long while.

[tabasco]

21. SOMALIA - another Bush blunder !

I have spoken with several reich-wingers who swear to God Clinton got us into Somalia.

I was in the firsr Army battalion to go in country so I think my memory is a little bit better.

[Supersedeas]

24. future blunders justify cutting funds--what if one reasonably believes the surge is a blunder

[Norquist Nemesis]

25. Oh, but that was before 9/11

:sarcasm:

[Lasher]

26. 9/11 changed everything. This is a recording.

No, 9/11 didn't change everything!

I'm glad to see Senator Webb challenging Publicans on their slogans and talking points. I hope to see more Democrats doing that.

[progressoid]

30. Yep, that's pre-9/11 thinking.

[judaspriestess]

28. all the further proof that mccain is a C-R-E-E-P

I think the bushies implanted some kind of control chip on this weasel.

[JNelson6563]

29. K&R! Good catch!

He's such a hypocrite.

Julie