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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 11:21 AM
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Healthy Care is a "mess"
From the WSJ quoting a commentary in the Journal of the American Medical Association, but that can be accessed by subscription only:

The Health system is a "mess" and politicians should retire "best care in the world" bromides, an NIH ethicist wrote in the AMA Journal.

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/297/19/2131

If anyone has access, please provide more details.
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 11:23 AM
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1. Can we even claim "Best care in the THIRD World" any more?
India and Thailand, to name a couple of places, have some pretty decent health care these days.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 11:30 AM
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2. Some US insurers send patients to India for surgeries
The insurers are all for Rationed Health Care so long it is their bean-counters doin' the rationin'!
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 11:37 AM
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5. Under Rationed Health Care I believe 'WE' are only entitled to.........
plain white bread and tap water while paying more than 16% of the GDP for IT!! Foreign outsourced surgeries sounds like a 'brilliant idea'.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 11:31 AM
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3. We have the most expensive toys
As a matter of fact, Americans do fly to India and Thailand for heart surgeries for a fraction of the cost here, but with similar medical outcome.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 11:33 AM
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4. In the study released yesterday we are last in health care. Britain
was first and Germany second. What I would like to know is more about their systems:

Who is covered in each country?

Who runs the system?

How are insurance companies connected to the system if at all?

Are providers, such as doctors and nurses, allowed to be in private care or are they "government doctors"?

Who makes the decisions on care - doctors or administrators?

What is the cost as in taxes?

What problems do citizens of these countries see with the system?

A frank and honest survey of this type would go a long way in helping us here at DU know what to lobby for when the health care system is on the table.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 12:04 PM
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6. Ask in the UK and the Democrats Abroad forums
I know that in the UK everyone is covered and that while National Health Service doctors and nurses are government employees there are also private practice doctors.

My only knowledge of the German medical care system is from my family's trip in 1967, when my mother came down with a severe throat infection. By evening it was so bad that she couldn't swallow, so the hotel referred her to a 24-hour clinic (it was in an office building, so it wasn't an ER). She was given some anesthetic lozenges and some antibiotics. I think she was charged for the meds but not for the office visit.

We also had encounters with the medical systems of Norway and the Netherlands.

We were on an island where my relatives have a little "colony" of summer cottages, when my brother, who was playing tag with the Norwegian cousins, hit his head on a low doorway and cut it open. One of the older cousins went on her bicycle to get the nurse-midwife who lived on the island. The nurse-midwife cleaned the injury and stitched up my brother's head at no charge.

After I fell down the stairs in our hotel in Amsterdam (if you've seen how steep and narrow Dutch stairs can be, you'll understand), the hotel insisted that I go to the ER to be checked out. It was an uneventful visit for me, since the doctors quickly ascertained that I had no broken bones nor a concussion, just some nasty bruises. (However, as we were waiting, the cops brought in two sailors who had stabbed each other.)

There was no charge for the ER visit, either. This is different from the U.S. When I was teaching in Oregon, an elderly Korean man was brought into the local ER with an ulcer on his foot. His nephew, who brought him in, barely spoke English, and the old man spoke none at all, but they figured out that like most elderly Koreans who grew up under Japanese military occupation, he could speak Japanese, so they called me in to interpret. The doctors examined his foot, and the nurses dressed it and gave instructions for how to take care of it. The charge? $115. And that was 15 years ago.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 12:13 PM
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7. Here is a recent thread about the French system
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