Loving Maddow and O'Donnell going at it

[prolesunited]

They are both brilliant. Glad Tweety is finally shutting up. They need to dump him.

[redirish28]

1. Has Stewart taken the fight out of Olbermann?

[prolesunited]

3. He seems to be moderating the show

so his job is different tonight. He is keeping it moving along and getting the results in. But Tweety is definitely in over his head. They seem to be humoring him.

[madmax]

4. Nah, KO isn't going to let anyone, not even JS

get him to bow down. No way.

[madmax]

2. There was a post earlier

which I've thought about all day. I'm limiting my political tv time to Rachel and L O'D. I'm going to read more. Not only politics but, fiction and history. Why am I wasting time listening to a lot of bullshit for 3-4 hours.

And I think I'll spend more time with my son and his family who just moved here. We've been apart for 3 years. Everyone votes D and we discuss politics with the teenage Grandson.

Life goes on.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. I can recommend some books

perhaps even a sub to a History Journal

[madmax]

7. Absolutely Nadine

PM them to me or post them here. Maybe others are interested in reading instead of listening to pundits who just luuuuuve to hear themselves speak.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Here are some

Howard Zinn, History of the American People

White Cargo

http://www.amazon.com/White-Cargo-Forgotten-History-Britains/dp/0814742963/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1288754922&sr=8-2

Kennedy's Rise and Fall of the Great Powers

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-Great-Powers/dp/0679720197/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1288754990&sr=1-1

Daniel Boorstin The Discoverers

http://www.amazon.com/Discoverers-Daniel-J-Boorstin/dp/0394726251/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1288755036&sr=1-1-fkmr0

There's Power in the Union

http://www.amazon.com/There-Power-Union-Story-America/dp/0385526296/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1288755106&sr=1-1

That is good to start

And of course the American Historical Review

[madmax]

11. Thank you Nadine

Your a gem.

Someone rec'd this one earlier today and it's in my Amazon cart. Tomorrow when my brain is firing on all 4 cylinders I'll go through the reviews and order another 2. That should keep me busy for about a month.

Winner-Take-All Politics: How Washington Made the Rich Richer--and Turned Its Back on the Middle Class - Paul Pierson;

Or if you have have 2 favorites on your list. I'm seriously thinking Zinn, haven't read any of his books. Ack :hide:

I must have 35 or more books I bought during the bush years, Fraud, Big Lies, Hubris, The politics of Truth, Blinded by the Right, The Book on Bush, etc. all are pretty much the same. I want need some meat - the nuts and bolts of how it works, the history that I blew off in school.

A few years ago I read Alinsky's, 'Rules for Radicals'. What pisses me off the most is that I was so busy trying to keep up with the daily grind that I didn't have time to find out why the hell my life was that way and what were the reasons for life being such a grind. Know what I mean? Feeling chewed up and spit out.

Thanks again :pals:

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Well these are history books

Kennedy will explain fully why we're a third word nation already... never mind it was written in the 1980s.

[madmax]

13. Then that one is a definate! Better late than never, right. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. It is a highly technical book

but a great book.

I remember reading it back in the day and getting chills... so becoming a second rate power don't shock me... and yes, we are there.

[madmax]

16. I believe that . Been seeing it happen for years

and now it's blindingly obvious. I kept wondering, how the hell did this happen? Now I'll find out. Funny when my son asks me how I know something I tell him, 'they hide information in books.'

I'll be using my November's mad money on Amazon. A good investment.

[PDittie]

14. 2012 is already on.

We'll sweep a lot of this trash back out in two years.

[Pirate Smile]

6. MSNBC is great tonight. NBC did 2 hours of coverage (I never flipped over) so they kept the

dumb-ass villager conventional wisdom of David Gregory, Andrea Mitchell, Brian Williams and Tom Brokaw over on that channel so MSNBC has actually had some intelligent exchanges tonight with Rachel, Lawrence, Chris, Keith & Ed. Bravo.

edit to add - the dumb-ass villager conventional wisdom hits MSNBC tomorrow on Morning Joe & probably all day.

[spooky3]

8. agreed. Despite the outcomes of many of these races, MSNBC's team has done well.

[prolesunited]

9. They really seem to have a handle on the facts

and the bigger picture