Many of us worked our asses off to flip the Senate; the freshman Dems SOLD US OUT.

[stevedeshazer]

Jon Tester, Jim Webb, Claire McCaskill, Sherrod Brown.

Only Sheldon Whitehouse voted no.

Assholes.

Thanks a big steaming pile. :grr:

Why should I work for any Democrat ever again?

Was Nader right?

Now you have non-answers from every Dem 2008 Presidential candidate save Kucinich, Edwards, and Gravel.

The Progressive Caucus are the ONLY Dems who represent our view.

I'm going third party. Again.

Steny Hoyer and Rahm Emanuel can kiss my progressive ass.

[scarletwoman]

1. Do you have a link to the roll call? I tried thomas.gov but couldn't find anything.

I'd like to know how my own freshman senator (Amy Klobuchar) voted.

Thanks,
sw

[snappyturtle]

5. Here's the link but Klobuchar voted "Yes"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3281569

[liberaldemocrat7]

26. Go here http://endthewar.dmocrats.org make a phone call.

Go here http://endthewar.dmocrats.org make a phone call.

[stevedeshazer]

9. I forgot Amy. She joined the sellout freshman class.

Five to one.

Shameful.

[trashcanistanista]

17. Shameful and I

supported ALL of them with $ even though I'm in California. No more.

[sandnsea]

2. Murtha voted yes

Can he kiss your progressive ass too?

[stevedeshazer]

7. Sure, but he's not a freshman Senator

Come on now.

[sandnsea]

10. Which should be all the worse

He's got nothing to lose with this vote. He must have had a good reason. Seems like he said they were going to run out of money next week. Don't know whether it's true or not, but I can see how some of these folks who barely squeaked in might not want that hanging over their head.

Am I wrong, or are you over in eastern Oregon? Bend area, or is that someone else. Cuz I'm wondering what WE are doing to change minds over there, so there will be more pressure on Smith next time around. That's what has to be changed, we've got to organize some method to change those red areas.

[stevedeshazer]

13. The Evil Empire

Portland.

Not that the 2nd District couldn't use some progressive ass-whuppin'.

Have you checked out the Bus Project?

[sandnsea]

15. It's been a while

Wow, they have come a long ways. I had volunteered for OnwardOregon, but they never wrote back. Anyways, it looks like the Bus Project focus is on like-minded people who don't vote. Is that right?

We still have to ratched up the noise in red areas to encourage blue people to speak up so Republicans won't think they've got it locked. That's the only way we'll get Gordo to move on some of these votes. The war will never end any other way. We're going to have to get 50/50 Repub support before we get our stupid red state Dems to move. That's how I see it anyways.

So if you're not the one in Bend, who is? Somebody is. And, btw, I can't remember what day it is half the time, 50 sucks, nothing personal about forgetting where you live. Bad me. :spank:

[stevedeshazer]

18. My view on Oregon, the Bus Project, and the Red Zone could take up volumes

How are things in Florence?

I don't belong to the Bus Project, I've just talked to folks who are.

But I can tell ya, there are progressive people in every county in this state, because I've been in every one of them, and so has my dog.

There are a few projects I'm aware of that tap into this; the Rural Organizing Project based in Scappoose is one of them, but I'm pressed to find time to work with them given family and work concerns.

http://www.rop.org/

[sandnsea]

20. Just elected 3 Dems for school board

Well, 3 people endorsed by the local Dem Party. Threw out several old timers, not bad people, just stuck in their ways. Have a Dem representing Western Lane on the County Commissioners. Now we just need a good Dem to run for Mayor, the last guy was a bit too old. Things are looking UP UP UP here, at least politically.

I'll look at that other link. It never occurred to me until just this minute that we could maybe come up with a model project to flip red areas, that the rest of the country could follow.

[stevedeshazer]

24. Good!

:)

[mhatrw]

27. Yes, n/t

[Possumpoint]

3. Okay

Now you begin to understand the nature of our two party system. It is but one coin, two faces but the same coin. Until we bring either a third party or outside party influence into the mix nothing changes.

let's see how long this post stands. 10:13pm 5/24.

[stevedeshazer]

11. 'Begin to understand' ?

Please, don't insult me. This isn't grade school politics, it's the real deal.

[unkachuck]

4. I wish to kick this....

....because I like your attitude....besides, you're right....

[stevedeshazer]

16. So, I've had my new uncle and aunt post in the very same thread!

Thanks, unkachuck. :)

[Dr.Phool]

6. I might be joining you.

But Kucinich or Edwards might need my vote in the primary.

[stevedeshazer]

21. I will happily vote for Kucinich in my state's primary,

but by May 2008, the Democrat's pro- Iraq occupation candidate will already be the de facto nominee.

[DemBones DemBones]

30. I will also vote for Kucinich in my state's primary and then

in November I will write his name in for president. No more middle of the road Democrats/DINOs for me.

I've been voting since 1968 and I've had it with the party's lame leadership.

[arKansasJHawk]

45. I'm as mad as most of you ...

But there's no way I'm not voting for whoever the Democrats nominate. It's suicide not to. Case in point: the recent Supreme Court decision on partial birth abortions.

Yes, the Iraq war is awful. But letting ourselves get so worked up about this single vote that we torpedo the Democrats in 2008 and suffer another 4 years of Republican "leadership" in the process is beyond foolish.

You're not solving anything by not voting for the Democratic nominee. Voting for Nader in 2000 sure didn't help.

[DemBones DemBones]

50. I wouldn't be solving anything by voting FOR the Democratic nominee

because I live in a red state and the Dems have been demonstrating in recent years that they don't know how to win in red states. I doubt they're going to figure it out in the next year.

I'd be glad to give them some ideas but they don't seem to listen to anybody except high-paid consultants.

[BlackVelvet04]

8. I can't believe Webb voted yes......

and I worked to get him elected. It's the last time I work for for any politician.

[stevedeshazer]

23. Me too

I'll work on a local level, but I'm done with national politics.

The well is permanently poisoned.

[lostnfound]

35. I was surprised but..

he said in an interview not long ago that he had served in Vietnam and (paraphrasing) wouldn't use funding votes to try to end the war because it never works and he knew what it was like for the troops. Not saying I agree with that, but that's apparently his view.

His son has been over there, and he's been pretty clear he wants to get them all home.

I feel pretty angry at how this vote went, and I'm a Kucinich fan personally, but I believe Webb has integrity and definitely didn't do this for the sake of corporate money or anything like that.
I don't get it.

[AuntPatsy]

12. I think they did what they had to do at this point, your naive if you believe

that they have the kind of power you seem to believe they do simply because they got elected, I think people are forgetting that those connected to this white house, any and all who are being investigated for criminal activities and even those who seeminly have been convicted have not been trully brought to justice, if that doesn't tell you that the power that is in play by this administration is just as strong as it has been you have not been paying attention.


I understand your frustration but sometimes I think people don't quite understand the depth of such highly placed and widely spread criminals we are dealing with here. It has NOT been easy for the dems to make these obvious criminals face justice and to act as if they have not been trying really makes me a bit angry, I have seen what they have been forced to endure for far too long by the repub bullies and the very fact that they have NOT given up in the face of such incredible odds stacked against them leaves me with admiration for many of the dems now fighting for justice to prevail once again in our country.

[stevedeshazer]

14. Can I adopt you as my aunt?

I get what you are saying, but how hard is it to vote your conscience instead of stickin' your finger in the air and hoping to get re-elected?

Auntie, it's time to make a stand, for exactly the reasons you give in your argument not to.

Sincerely,

Your Newest Nephew Steve :)

[AuntPatsy]

46. Not sure you would like the uncle that comes with the package...

I understand what you are saying, but honestly consider what we are up against, every election year I hear the same thing " I will not vote because I trust neither of the candiates" by not voting you are in effect allowing the media once again who spend far too much time ensuring the voting public does just what you are saying you will do.

It doesn't help, and the very fact that voter fraud has not been addressed with any real solution your vote probably won't count anyway but that is NO reason to give up that right and to ignore the danger this country is in.

[orleans]

19. durbin voted YES. (so glad i emailed him and called his office

this afternoon so that he could take MY FUCKING ADVICE!)

:puke:

[magellan]

22. I suspect the the Progressive Caucus ARE the only Dems

The only REAL ones, anyway. The rest of the party has lost its way...and me along the way.

[Kat45]

25. At least my two (veteran) senators voted no.

[Oak2004]

29. I'm happy with my senators too,

but then I live in VT where we have a a strong and electable progressive third party to keep our Democrats honest. I can't figure out how Welch (representative) voted (the things I've seen regarding the House vote have left me puzzled) but I think it was the wrong way :(

On a semi-irrelevant note, who is that beautiful green bird in your sig? SEmi-irrelevant because as someone owned by a Quaker parrot, I am at least proud that the avian world "voted" today and told Bush in no uncertain "words" that his policies were full of crap.

[Kat45]

42. That beautiful green bird is Grace, my pacific parrotlet.

I also enjoyed the 'comment' left by the avian world for bush.

[Major Hogwash]

28. Good, you go 3rd party, never to be heard from again.

Because out here in the West, there is no such thing as 3rd parties.
They get less than 5% of the vote.

Tester is a Democrat and if you don't support Democrats while posting here, then you have no business being here anyway.

[DemBones DemBones]

31. Hogwash! Read the rules. You do not have to be a Democrat

to post at DU. All liberals and progressives are welcomed. The only rule about the Dems is that we can't work against a Democratic nominee with our posts. There are no nominees now, just a lot of hopefuls.

[stevedeshazer]

43. Major Hogwash,

I DID support Tester. Sent him a modest donation.

What good is it if he votes the same way as Conrad Burns?

At least he hasn't told firefighters they did a piss poor job.

If you're in Montana as your post implies, I'm at least 800 miles west of you, so don't try to run the "out here in the West" card on me, man.

I've been here since 2002 supporting progressive causes regardless of party.

And I am a registered Democrat. For now. Since 1974.

I have every right to be pissed off at my party. It's not a 'love it or leave it' kind of thing.

My party, right or wrong?

Where have I heard that before?

I appreciate your post, but I seriously disagree.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

32. Well...

>Why should I work for any Democrat ever again?

Because not every Democrat voted for it, that's why.

>Was Nader right?

No. Nader is still an asshole. The fact that the freshman Dems are being assholes doesn't make Nader any less of one.

>I'm going third party. Again.

Have fun stormin' the castle.

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34. Kicked and Recommended.

Say! Is that the yummy smell of bloated corpse in the morning???

[Freddie Stubbs]

36. Did any of those freshmen dems campaign on cutting off funding for the war?

If not, how exactly did they sell out?

[formercia]

37. Jim Webb was a PNAC signatory

I wanted to out him before the election but the alternative was even worse.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3200954

PNAC Signatories Who Signed Our Democracy Away

Edited on Fri Apr-06-07 12:35 AM by RestoreGore
Project for a New American Century (PNAC)
A Complete List of PNAC Signatories and Contributing Writers

according to:
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/charts/pnac-chart.htm

Morton I. Abramowitz
Elliott Abrams
Gordon Adams
Ken Adelman
Richard V. Allen
Mark A. Anderson
Richard Armitage
Ronald Asmus
Andrew Y. Au
Nina Bang-Jensen
Gary Bauer
Roger Barnett
Jeffrey Bell
William J. Bennett
Jeffrey Bergner
Alvin Bernstein
Robert L. Bernstein
George Biddle
John Bolton
Max Boot
Ellen Bork
Rudy Boshwitz
William F. Buckley, Jr.
Jeb Bush
Stephen Cambone
Frank Carlucci
James W. Ceasar
Linda Chavez
Richard B. Cheney
Steven C. Clemons
Eliot A. Cohen
Seth Cropsey
Devon Gaffney Cross
Ivo H. Daalder
Helle Dale
Dennis DeConcini
Midge Decter
James Dobbins
Paula Dobriansky
Thomas Donnelly
Nicholas Eberstadt
Robert Edgar
David Epstein
Amitai Etzioni
David Fautua
Lee Feinstein
Edwin J. Feulner, Jr.
Steve Forbes
Hillel Fradkin
Aaron Friedberg
Francis Fukuyama
Frank Gaffney
Peter Galbraith
Jeffrey Gedmin
Sam Gejdenson
Robert S. Gelbard
Reuel Marc Gerecht
Merle Goldman
Phillip Gordon
Daniel Goure
Morton H. Halperin
John Hefferman
James R. Hooper
Charles Hill
Fred C. Ikle
Martin S. Indyk
Bruce P. Jackson
Eli S. Jacobs
Michael Joyce
Donald Kagan
Frederick Kagan
Robert Kagan
Max M. Kampelman
Adrian Karatnycky
Penn Kemble
Craig Kennedy
Zalmay Khalilzad
Harold Hongju Koh
Robert Killebrew
Lane Kirkland
Jeane Kirkpatrick
Peter Kovler
Charles Krauthammer
William Kristol
Mark Lagon
James Lasswell
John Lehman
Lewis E. Lehrman
Todd Lindberg
I. Lewis Libby
James Lindsay
Bette Bao Lord
Rich Lowry
Connie Mack
Christopher Makins
Christopher Maletz
Mary Beth Markey
Will Marshall
Robert Martinage
Clifford May
Daniel McKivergan
Edwin Meese III
Phil Meilinger
Ross H. Munro
Joshua Muravchik
Michael O’Hanlon
Mackubin Owens
Wayne Owens
Martin Peretz
Richard N. Perle
Daniel Pipes
Danielle Pletka
Norman Podhoretz
John Edward Porter
Dan Quayle
Peter W. Rodman
Stephen P. Rosen
Dennis Ross
Henry S. Rowen
Donald Rumsfeld
Randy Scheunemann
Gary Schmitt
William Schneider Jr.
Richard H. Schultz
Sin-Ming Shaw
Abram Shulsky
Paul Simon
Henry Sokolski
Stephen Solarz
Helmut Sonnenfeldt
Walter Slocombe
James B. Steinberg
Leonard Sussman
John J. Sweeney
William Howard Taft IV
Dick Thornburgh
John Tkacik
Ed Turner
Michael Vickers
Arthur Waldron
Malcolm Wallop
Barry Watts
James Webb
Vin Weber
George Weigel
Caspar Weinberger
Paul Weyrich
Leon Wieseltier
Chris Williams
Jennifer Windsor
Marshall Wittmann
Paul Wolfowitz
R. James Woolsey
Larry Wortzel
Dov S. Zakheim
Robert Zoellick

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples ...

World Domination the Neocon way.
~~~~~~~~~~
This is what Iraq is all about. And I am now sure in my gut that 9.11 was the stepping stone before it...and the theft of 2000 was the opening they needed to get their foot in the door. How then can we really trust anyone? This system is truly TOXIC and this goes SO DEEP that we will not get it back by continuing to allow business as usual. My God, we were so lied to and deceived and it is has cost us so many innocent lives along with what we thought was a Democracy. Traitors in our midst indeed. And what are we really going to do about it? What truly is our recourse?

[snappyturtle]

38. I think Ellison of MN voted "No".....nt

[Zynx]

39. People seem deluded as to what red-state Dems would actually vote for

If they actually had some understanding of the political process, they would know better.

[mmonk]

40. We must make the Cheney democrats feel the heat.

We must make their advisors that wanted to give them unearned power such as Rahm Emmanuel feel the heat. It's time to take our party and our democracy back. Get all over them as they go home on break.

[StefanX]

41. Exactly

They sold us out.

We don't have a two-party system. The way it works is - you get out the vote, you write your opinions, you donate money to the guy who says he's on your side - and then they get to DC and screw you over.

In a way, this is worse than all the times the right screwed us. At least that was our "enemy" screwing us.

Now, it's our "friend" screwing us.

Thanks a lot, Dems. You've just made your party irrelevant to your base.

[SoCalDem]

44. Without a veto-proof margin, not much changed

If we can manage to add to the margin next time, maybe things will...but if we also end up with the WH, look for even more "trouble" as the nit-pickers switch to "high"

[calteacherguy]

47. Good Democrats don't call Good Democrats "assholes."

He's a strong Democrat and a patriot. We are lucky to have him in the Senate.

Try a little more understanding, and a lot less name-calling. It's more adult.

[DemBones DemBones]

49. Nobody was calling good Democrats assholes.

DINOS -- Democrats In Name Only -- are the problem and they're the ones being called names.

I've been a registered Democrat since 1968 and I am fed up with Democrats being so ineffectual. I see the problem as being that both parties are under the thumbs of corporate lobbyists and donors. The vast majority do not care what their constituents want.

[calteacherguy]

54. Webb was called the name, and Webb is a great Democrat. nt

[Cleita]

48. A progressive third party candidates only insure another Republican

will be elected because they divide the vote. You can't do it in a winner takes all voting system. What we need is runoff voting in 2008. Then you would be able to vote for a third party candidate and not throw your vote away.

[DemBones DemBones]

51. Au contraire! Those of us who live in red states and vote

third party do not split the vote or throw our vote away. I've stuck with the Dems all these years but my brother voted for Nader while I voted for Gore. Since we each live in a red state, his vote made a statement in favor of third parties while mine was just another vote that didn't mean anything. When your state is polling heavily GOP the day before Election Day, voting for the Democrat is unlikely to be worth a trip to the polls. The Democrats need to learn how to win in red states and I haven't seen any indication that they're learning.

I agree that we need runoff voting but I doubt we'll get it in 2008.

[Cleita]

53. We need to pressure our congressional representatives. However, even if they pass a bill

for runoff voting, King George will probably veto it. We can do it at a state level though in many states that lean blue. I don't know what you people in red states are going to do unless you convince the Republicans that runoff voting is to their advantage as well as ours.

[Clark2008]

52. And Edwards' non-support of the supplemental is suspect since

he so cheerleaded for the war when it was popular.

Pretty much the whole of the field is "blah," if you ask me.