Okay, I'm going to just come out and state something that's been

[monmouth]

on my mind for a couple of days. I don't want to seem uncharitable and be gloating over some other candidate's gaffe, screw-up or fork-piercing mistake. BUT....having said all that, I honestly think Barack Obama is headed down the rabbit hole. Now is the time for Joe to really make his great ideas and opinions known, and do I dare say....TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OBAMA MESS...I know, I know...but this is politics after all. In all honesty, BHO is not ready for prime time. He's a celebrity, backed by celebrities, and to be honest, he couldn't shine Joe's shoes when it really comes down to the meat and potatoes of heading this nation. Obviously I couldn't post this on DUP and I am grateful for this wonderful Biden Support board. Would love your feedback on this, we need to get Joe's name out there whenever possible. When speaking of "Joe" everyone should automatically recognize we're speaking of Biden. Okay, I'm done....lol

[Froward69]

1. careful the shoe shine line was to make a point, and nothing was meant by it.

their are persons who will jump all over this as evidence of your bigotry. I just may have given them ideas. insofar as your post I am on it. The smoke and mirror effect of this Homophobe escapade is amateurish. as Hillary Fans are ignoring She Hired a homophobe not just got on a stage with one.

[jillan]

3. hahaha - I was thinking the same thing about the shoe shine.

[monmouth]

5. OMG, never thought of that. I don't think in terms of bigotry but that sure

sounded like it...Sorry. That's such an old expression that's been used for more years than I care to remember....lol.

[youthere]

6. try "couldn't hold a candle to Joe.."

I don't think that can be construed to be racist or bigoted...but then again, this is DU so anything you post is at your peril.
:hide:

[demommom]

8. I t just

emphasizes how when you are not a bigot, how something perfectly innocent can be jumped on, by someone who wants to stir things up.

Well, Murbley,my son-in law and I will be off to Phillie in a few to participate in the Biden Rally before the debate and watch the debate with a group of Biden supporters. Be sure to watch the debate.

[PatSeg]

13. I didn't really notice it either

The whole political correctness thing gets out of control at times. If you'd said that about Edwards, it would be no big deal, so in a sense it is racism that we don't use certain phrases for some people that we'd use easily with others.

Maybe the reason I didn't notice the remark, is I don't see Obama as the "black candidate", but as the very bright candidate who is a little too young and inexperienced at this time. I think another term in the senate would give him an opportunity to show what he's really made of.

Obama never even "won" the election for senate. He didn't have a real opponent in that race. Alan Keyes was hardly an adversary so Obama hasn't been truly tested. People like Biden, Dodd, and Richardson have earned their credentials and have paid their dues.

[gateley]

2. I agree that he's not ready for prime time. This is another sign of it. It seems

that as a result of this, there are people looking for another candidate - and of course we know who the best candidate is!

Don't feel bad about "taking advantage" -- you're not taking advantage of Obama personally, rather of a gaffe by his campaign staff. I always give everybody the benefit of the doubt, but I feel he had plenty of time to pull this guy off the list. He could have done it with sensitivity and tact and I believe everyone would have understood. Too many people DON'T understand why he let this happen. Me included.

I don't think ANY of them are as qualified for the job as Joe. So we'll just keep presenting our perfect (or close to perfect) candidate and trust that others will come around. :7

[jillan]

4. What I think about Obama

is that he's just not ready and it shows. I think that is going to hurt his campaign more than his screw up.

For example, he just made it known that he is going to get tougher on Clinton. Why did he do that?
If he wants to get tougher on Clinton - go for it. But don't let her know ahead of time so she can prepare her perfect responses to whatever he is going to throw at her. :crazy:

I also think people are waiting for him to show what he is made of, and it's not happening.
He is such a great motivational speaker - hope and change - "Fired up?" but is that enough for what is going on in the world right now? Is he going to have the credibility to make major changes in DC especially now with everything being so partisan?
I don't think he even has enough experience under his belt to get thru the general election.

I have no doubt that Obama will be President one day. Just not now. The best thing that could happen to him is that he will be chosen as VP. Then he would get the experience he needs, cuz when he is ready, he is going to be great.

And I will also add that Hillary may have what it takes to win the nomination and possibly the election.
But when she is in the WH, she is not going to be able to get anything done. Face it - 1/2 of Americans remember all of the scandals during the Clinton years - and to top it off, that book just came out where Gerald Ford said that Bill is a sex addict and needs help. ouch. bad timing for her.

That is why I stay so optimistic about Biden. He is ready to get it done, and he has the proven track record to show he can do it.

[youthere]

7. As a former potential Obama supporter...

I like him, I really do. But his greenness is really showing on the campaign trail, and the McClurkin debacle is just the most recent example of that.Obama just doesn't have enough political savvy yet. I really do believe Obama could and will be great, but he's just a little naive at this point. Give him a couple more years to season and then stand back and watch him go! I think you are right, he certainly has the ability to fire people up and I love him for that. Very few on the political scene today are able to inspire me and make me feel hopeful again, and how lucky am I to have two in the same primary season?
Biden inspires my hopefulness, but also my confidence. I know that he can walk into the oval office and things are going to happen NOW.
Obama inspires my hopefulness, and I know I would feel confident about him...in time. Problem is, I don't believe we can afford to wait.
While I believe it's very possible that Hillary can win the nomination, I absolutely believe if she does, we have lost the GE. There are too many people (Independents, soft Dems) that are ready to vote, not for a republican, but AGAINST her. I believe the GOP is poised for a full on assault should she win the nomination. As for me, I will vote in the GE for her...and then I will part ways with the Democratic party.
Biden is what this country needs..and now. We can't wait to break someone in, and we can't afford to tread water for another four years under a Hillary rule. We need some action. The way I look at it, is that this country is hemorrhaging and Biden is the only guy who is standing there with a tourniquet.

[Debi]

10. youthere - have you seen any reprucussions of the McClurkin debacle

here in Iowa yet? I'm going to the Edwards education event at UNI this Sunday. I'm going to see if anybody is talking about it. I haven't seen anything in the papers or Iowa blogs about it yet. :shrug:

[youthere]

11. Not a thing.

Haven't heard or read a thing about it. I believe it's a non-issue outside of DU.

[Debi]

12. Thanks. n/t

[Debi]

14. Whoops...just as I say that...here's a DMR article

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071030/NEWS09/710300384/-1/caucus

[youthere]

15. Good to see it on the radar...or maybe not good.. Hell I'm so confused these days!

[Debi]

9. Mr. Debi commented that Biden should take the evangelicals on

head-to-head, that would not only show his ability to have his faith without wearing it on his sleeve and show the naivete of one who tried to embrace them (without calling Obama out by name).

On a side note, I've noticed several DUers using Obama's initials 'BHO' in their posts. Is this how he or his supporters use his initials? It just seems to be a quite reminder of the 'Hussein' moniker that isn't particularly attractive being used by us Democrats. If it's what he himself does then so be it. If not I think everybody here knows who BO is.

[PatSeg]

16. Speaking of celebrities

I just saw that Brad Pitt volunteered to help with Obama's campaign and was turned down!

[gateley]

17. Huh? Seriously? Any explanation?

[PatSeg]

18. Nope!

It was on the news crawl on MSNBC. Does this mean that Obama is "anti gorgeous hunks"???
:shrug: