anti-choice voter? mandatory vasectomy

[niyad]

here is a piece of legislation that will never pass--but should:

ANY male legislator who votes in any way to restrict a woman's right to choose must, immediately ater the vote, get a vasectomy. this will ensure that, at least he will not be responsible for forcing a woman to bear his unwanted child. a female legislator must make a contribution equal to the cost of vasectomies to providing contraceptives to the local PP clinic.

let them put their bodies where they are forcing us to put ours.

[Tumbulu]

1. all males must get a vasectomy or post a 2 million dollar paternity bond

payable to raise any child they impose on a woman and society. I am so sick of this- turn it around- require them to post bonds. We must go on the offensive, seriously we must. I have had it with these idiots. Every time they open their mouths, we have to pounce on them. No more nice stuff.

[niyad]

2. I love your 2mil bond idea. I am so damned sick of the fact that these pious thugs never

put their money where their mouths are. WE are the ones who bear the consequences of their piety and morality. ENOUGH.

[DrToast]

3. That's pretty stupid. How would a virile man force a woman to bear his unwanted child?

[niyad]

4. geez, I shouldn't have to explain something that basic to you.

[DrToast]

5. Is there a legal way to impregnate a woman without their consent...

...that anti-choicers are taking advantage of?

[AllyCat]

11. Why limit this to legality? These stupid Reps and Sens don't.

[Lyric]

20. Yes.

You impregnate the woman after working hard on legislation that reduces, if not removes for all practical purposes, her access to birth control and abortion.

[Arugula Latte]

6. Right. And they can go f@#$ themselves for good measure.

[customerserviceguy]

7. Frankly, with the fact that all "choice" is left up to the female

as to whether she will bear the child, and compel child support for eighteen years, or snuff the life of something she is allowed to consider a tumor, I'd advise all young males to get vasectomies prior to embarking on a sex life with the opposite sex, and store some semen in frozen storage for the day that they might want to procreate with a woman they consider worthy of being the mother of their child.

Cynical, yes, but based on a life that has seen both abortion and poor parenting of the children who were finally conceived.

[niyad]

9. not bitter much, eh? at least you have the part right about the vasectomies, but

"a woman worthy to be the mother of his child"??? wow...

[customerserviceguy]

12. Women have fertility by choice

why shouldn't a man have the same thing? If a man who impregnates a woman is not deemed husband and/or father material, she can rid herself of the consequences of the relationship.

You can add to the list of great lies, (right under "the check is in the mail") "I'm on the Pill." And when that proves to be false, a guy has zero choice over whether or not he's either going to be stuck with a bill for eighteen+ years of child support, or if he really regards the resulting conception to be his kid, having no say as to whether it is allowed to be born or not.

The only way for a man to control his fertility is to completely separate it from the sex act.

[bluethruandthru]

17. How about he wears a condom?

Not 100 percent guaranteed...but better than leaving it to "I'm on the pill".

I have to add that "being stuck with the bill for 18 years" doesn't nearly equate to what happens to a woman with pregnancy. Besides the 9 months of pregnancy and the tramau of labor and delivery...those "18 years" totally redefines a woman's life forever. It limits where and how much she works, where she lives, whether or not she can leave the house, go on a date, sleep in on Saturday morning, etc., etc.
Yes, a man may write a check once a month...but his job stays the same, his living arrangements stay the same, he can still go out when he likes, take a vacation, etc.

I believe children bring unimaginable joy...but they also bring much change.

[Lyric]

23. Not to mention that men are not stuck with THE bill. They're stuck with A bill.

They seem to forget that the woman pays as much, if not more, than they do, especially in terms of things like the actual labor of childrearing.

[Lyric]

21. Dupe

[Lyric]

22. Men have fertility choices, too.

There are vasectomies, condoms, spermicides, and abstinence, right off the top of my head. The woman gets the choice after conception, but the man gets HIS choice before conception. Sorry that nature and biology don't offer men more, but that's neither the fault of women nor their children. Why should women and children be punished for something that isn't their fault?

As for laws that force men to pay child support for children they didn't want--well sorry, but after the baby is born, it is the child's best interests that trump both Mom and Dad in a court of law. No judge is going to make an innocent child suffer just because a parent decides that they don't want to support the kid. The child certainly didn't ask to be conceived or born. Would you consider it "fair" to the child if we give men the right to legally walk away and "abort"? Why should the only truly INNOCENT party in the whole mess have their right to be cared for taken away in order to satisfy men? What is your legal rationale for why the rights of men should trump the rights of the child who certainly isn't the least bit responsible for the situation?

It's so easy to make these asinine comments, but so difficult to defend them when you start picking open the details, especially when you consider that our family court system doesn't CARE whether or not something is "fair" to the mother or father--the primary legal motivation is the best interests of the child, always.

:shrug:

[mkultra]

8. by "forcing" do you mean by rape?

[niyad]

10. I see comprehension still isn't your strong suit. the forcing part, since you obviously did not

understand, was referring to the fact that these yahoos continue to restrict in every way possible access to abortions. most everyone else got that part.

nowhere did I mention rape--funny how that was assumed.

[mkultra]

15. silly me

i guess the combination of the word forced and the phrase "unwanted child" detracted from your intended message.

[Scout]

25. only for you.... the rest of us got it n/t

[tavalon]

13. One of my favorite bumperstickers:

Against Abortion? Don't Have One.

and,

Just Say No to Sex With A Pro-Lifer

[William769]

14. K&R!

I would also recommend any male voter that supports this amendment be required to get one also.

[niyad]

16. kick

[b el_zabubba2]

18. who's taking away your choice

dont you make the choice about a pregenancy when you accept a penis into your body? isnt that when the choice is made?
just sayin..

[Vinca]

19. The problem is easily solved by a nationwide crossed leg protest.

Since these old, white men only vote in their own interest, if they want to ever get laid again they'll removed their noses from a woman's private business.

[Scout]

26. do men make a choice about pregnancy when they put their penis into her body?

isn't that where THEIR choice is made? if she's not on the pill, tough shit for him.

just sayin'....

[b el_zabubba2]

27. some do some don't but men are not the ones

claiming that their right to choose is being taken away women are. if a man gets a woman pregnant and wants to keep the baby but the woman doesn't then there's no baby.
the claim that a woman's choice is being taken away is disingenuous since the choice is made at the time of intercourse. abortion is a way of dealing with the consequences of the choice made by the woman and the man. and in THAT decision men have little say.
just sayin....

[Lyric]

28. As it well should be, since men don't have to risk THEIR lives

for the sake of pregnancy and childbirth.

Just sayin...

:eyes:

[MerryBlooms]

24. Then you would have a bunch of sterile

guys still legislating against women's rights.

For every one of these doggone bills/amendments/laws that continue to squash a woman's right to have complete domain over her body, an equally restrictive man's bill/amendment/law needs to be offered up: No birth control pills covered by insurance/no viagra covered. No abortion coverage/no vasectomy coverage. No pelvic examine covered/no prostate exam covered. Balance these intrusive attacks on women's rights, with equally intrusive attacks on men's rights.

I know it's extreme and way out there, but it's starting to sound almost sane to me these days.

[NYC_SKP]

29. Why not just cut it off entirely?

Hmmmm?

:shrug:

[Jennicut]

30. There are plenty of women who legislate against other women's rights

Don't forget that.