Do the people who believe Obama is selling out, is Bush light, is a Kenyan hate facts?

[uponit7771]

Jus sayin, this is REALLY getting stupid...the Obama critics are slowly losing credibility with the people who are at least HALF ASS'D paying attention...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

Thx

[proud2BlibKansan]

1. Do you believe they are believers of all 3 of those things?

So if a person believes Obama has sold out, he also thinks he's Kenyan?

[uponit7771]

3. No, jus same line of factless thinking....again...the people who claim this shit aren't very fact...

...based and are usually repeating our sloppy ass'd M$M memems...

Jus too many of them around here...

I agree with constructive criticism but some of the critics are just making shit up...

[NJmaverick]

2. yes, yes they do hate facts

[Techn0Girl]

40. Yes , it's true - i HATE Facts !

I admit it.

I HATE THE FACT that 40,000 new troops are being deployed to Afghanistan and that we have a new war there.

I HATE THE FACT the the current administration just decided to vote against an historic accord banning the use of landmines - our only ally in this was Somalia.

I HATE THE FACT that Obama picked Goldman Sachs executives - execs who got us into this mess in the first place- to oversee our economy.

I HATE THE FACT that unemployment is rising along with banker bonuses.

I HATE THE FACT that the Public Option was thrown under the bus.

I HATE THE FACT that "Don't ask, Don't tell " was put aside until next year - if then.

I am (currently) a Democrat - and I hate the facts.

[Forkboy]

4. He had nothing to sell out in the first place. He is what he is.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

37. Exactly

He ran on his record, this is his record, what we are seeing right now. I am not surprised by any of it.

[valerief]

5. I guess you trust Timmy Geithner. nt

[uponit7771]

9. I suffer imperfection more than my like for Geithner....

[NYCGirl]

6. They may hate facts, but they love hyperbole! NT

[NJmaverick]

11. + infinity

:applause:

[Cha]

43. Yeah, it's gets 'em way off.

[fascisthunter]

7. how stupid

and sad

[AllentownJake]

8. I see the new tactic of the rainbow bright squad is to lump any critic with the worst critic

So if your unhappy about Wall Street Policies you equal Glen Beck

Don't think the Health Care reform bill is good you equal Rush Limbaugh

Think the Afghan War is a bad idea you equal Pat Buchanan.


You guys are fucking loosing it.

[uponit7771]

10. Obama is Bush light = losing it. Obama is selling out = losing it....those post are delusional ...

...looking at the facts

[AllentownJake]

12. There is a good case for the sell out

Bush lite? Goes a little far, I prefer the Hoover comparisons. He was a nice man personally too.

[uponit7771]

14. There is a good case for the sell out if you hate facts there is. Overall, LOOKIN AT THE FACTS, Obam

...is far from selling out PERIOD.

That argument is delusional.

[AllentownJake]

15. On what issue or on what appointment

The economic team is a lot different than the one that was hanging around before the election. The Health Care bill is including something he spent 3 months demonizing in the primary. He just appointed a pesticide lobbyist into the Agriculture department.

Like I said, it all depends on the issue.

[uponit7771]

17. and all of your objections have been outnumbered by facts. NO ONE is claiming a need for him to be..

..perfect but the haters.

In the BIGGER PICTURE to claim Obama is a sell out is stupid and I like forest cause they're beautiful

There have been ENOUGH post here to see that Obama has at least given the middle class some bones, I do believe the jobs picture will turn around and then folk will STILL FUCKIN be complaining.

You can't work a trillion INTO the middle class GDP and there not be pressure on the overall GDP.

[AllentownJake]

20. You really aren't talking rationally here

He is the President of the United States, of course people are going to be critical of is actions. It is part of the job, and nowhwere did I imply that I was expecting him to be perfect.

Abandoning certain economist over a subset from the Clinton era could be interpretted as a sell particularly in light of the Primary campaign he waged against a certain Senator from NY.

Has he given some bones, I won't dispute that, he also handed the other class a T-bone steak and attached the bill onto the deficit for said middle class to pay later.

As for jobs, growth has to come from somewhere, and I have yet to hear from one of the cheer leaders where these mystery jobs are coming to replace the jobs lost in this recession.

[bvar22]

30. Lets review some of the facts:

*Trillion Dollar gift to his friends and sponsors on Wall Street, no strings attached...Mission Accomplished.

*WARS/Occupations fully funded, bill sent to our children....Mission Accomplished.

*Military Spending INCREASED....Mission Accomplished.

*Another Trillion Dollar gift to Wall Street's incestuous 1st Cousin, The Health Insurance Industry ....Mission almost accomplished.

*REAL discussion of Single Payer Health Care killed in the cradle. It was Obama himself who had the Kucinich Amendment (which would have allowed states to start their own Single Payer System) pulled from the House Health Care Bill after it had successfully passed in committee.

*EFCA (Employee Free Choice Act)...remember that?....down the memory hole.

*Renegotiation of NAFTA to protect American jobs?....Off the table after the election.

*More "Free Trade" treaties being quietly negotiated while the American Working Class is being told that we can WILL compete for our jobs with 3rd World Slave Labor.

*America so bankrupt by subsidies to Wall Street, the Health Insurance Industries, and the endless WARS the next generation will be so burdened with debt that Social Programs and programs that help the Working Class will be "drowned in the bathtub" for generations.
This also opens the door for "Entitlement Reform" (giving Medicare and SS to Wall Street, a long term goal of the DLC).

*"All sides will have a voice in my administration"....unless you are a member of the Progressive Caucus or anti-WAR, or Pro-Labor, then you will just have to write a letter...Hahahahaha.
but Republicans, "Centrists", or Industry Lobbyists.....the door is OPEN for BUSINESS!




The DLC New Team
Progressives Need NOT Apply

(Screen Capped from the DLC Website)


"I am a New Democrat!"
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=254931&kaid=85&subid=900184

Sold Out ? :shrug:

Who is speaking for the Working Class, LABOR, and those who oppose the disastrous WARS/OCCUPATIONS?

[The Hope Mobile]

31. + 1 nt

[QC]

35. +2

[spiritual_gunfighter]

38. Great post

Obama ran on his record, this is his record. Should we be at all surprised?

[jonnyblitz]

42. !!!

:o

[QC]

22. One of the more egregious of them is now spinning criticism of Wall Street

as an attack on the victims of 9/11.

Not even Rudy G. was ever that twisted.

[AllentownJake]

23. yes that was quite odd and disgusting at the same time

[QC]

24. It's a new low, but not really surprising. n/t

[AllentownJake]

25. Holocaust next?

[Sebastian Doyle]

28. Well, actually....

I did see criticism of Wall Street condemned as "anti-semitism" a while back, so the Holocaust would only be a short leap from there.

[QC]

29. Yes, I saw that one, too.

There is really no depth to which some of these people will not gladly sink to defend their beloved.

[NYC Liberal]

26. And there's a similar tactic with the Everything Is Shit brigade

Anyone who supports them in their general ideals but disagrees with them in the specific implementation of them is a: (a) corporatist (b) cheerleader (c) member of the rainbow bright squad (d) right-winger (e) all of the above. You cannot disagree with them.

Quote

Don't think the Health Care reform bill is good you equal Rush Limbaugh

Think the Afghan War is a bad idea you equal Pat Buchanan.

Similarly:

Generally support Obama and think he's done and overall good job with what he's been handed? You're a cheerleader.

Want health care reform but disagree with the Everything Is Shit brigade on how to go about it? You're a right-wing corporatist.

[AllentownJake]

27. I think the Kenyan accusation in this post was the most ridiculous

I've seen a lot of pro and negative post about the President. I don't think I've seen any DUer call the President a Kenyan and that was the point I was talking to associating a critic to the worst of other critics who are critical, for vastly different reasons.

My mother has critical things to say about me, I'm assuming they are more fair than some of my ex-girlfriends critics and are of an entirely more constructive nature.

[vaberella]

39. Okay, just vote him out of office next time around.

You worked to get him in, he disappoints you, push someone else who would be better. I think it's the simplist solutions because I'm tired of the name calling---there can be no "real" discussion when you start off your statemet with "rainbow brite crew".

[AllentownJake]

47. When someone starts off saying that DUers are calling the President

a Kenyan I really am not worried about DUers who will jump to support that DUers feeling in what I'm going to say.

[vaberella]

54. You do realize DUers say a lot of shit.

Unless you want to defend the DUers who say Obama is Bush 3. Another who said he's the worst president we had...or one going as far as to say he's making things worse. So no, it's not hard to believe. I'd just ask that poster to show me the thread where a DUer said that. However, it's whatever. As I said...just vote him out next time and it's done. He even said, if people want him as a one term president. Then that's their choice. Obviously for many DUers he's either not done enough in his hmmmm...9 months in office or he's doing things all wrong.

[Kitsune]

50. I've been called a Republican twice recently because I don't agree with Obama

Specifically, because I think Obama is governing too far to the right, and is squandering a chance to prevent this country from degenerating even further than it already has.

I think you've hit the nail on the head. There's no sense of grey for them. Obama is good. Everyone who disagrees with Obama is bad. Amusingly, this is the sort of thinking that everyone on DU derided Bush for engaging in.

[AllentownJake]

51. They actually will say, "You are with the President or with the Tea Baggers"

I've had that said a few times, and I go...really....you really just said that. Than when I accuse them of Bush logic they act confused.

[MoJoWorkin]

13. Yeah, but it has been almost 10 months.....

why hasn't he done it all?

:sarcasm:


Facts are stubborn things, and it is going to take a bit more time wrenching us out of this God awful mess Bush left us.

I am sick to death of these instant gratification people. I am 64 years old, and believe President Obama will be the BEST President of my lifetime.

I also remember many recounts from my dad and grandparents , about all they had to endure for YEARS during the Great Depression Era.

Get a grip folks---- 10 damn months does not a Presidency make.

[DrDan]

16. this is as ridiculous as the bush-apologists

there is NOTHING wrong with being disappointed about (1) still having no healthcare reform (2) continued support for the Patriot Act, (3) behind the scene pharma deals and several other issues.

You make your calls as to the progress of the administration and let others do the same.

[uponit7771]

18. I'm disappointed in somethings too but OVERALL PICTURE of Obama has been above my expectations...

...those who claim that Obama is OVERALL A SELLOUT etc are being delusional relative to the facts.

[CanonRay]

19. No, but I think he's getting really bad advice

and listening to it.

[avaistheone1]

32. and acting on it.

[QC]

36. He hired and retains those who are dispensing the bad advice. n/t

[LWolf]

21. I'm more than "half ass'd" paying attention,

and I know that Obama has sold public education down the river.

What is it about that that you don't get?

[The Hope Mobile]

33. And so many other issues.

Those who are paying attention know that you don't surround yourself by the people or ideas he has chosen and expect to get the kind of change that this country elected him for. These are not little mistakes, they're HUGE long term devastating disasters. We can keep our head in the sand like the GOP did when their guy fucked up but that doesn't help us get what this country really needs.

[LWolf]

34. Truth. nt

[Milo_Bloom]

41. LMAO

When the "credit card bill of rights" is listed as a promise "kept", you know someone is scoring on a heavy curve.

[The Hope Mobile]

45. Seriously! That was the point when I went from deep unease about his

choices to knowing we were sold out.

[optimator]

44. is the cult of personality really in a position to arbitrate truth?

?

[The Hope Mobile]

46. When Bush stole office in 2000 were you repub or just apathetic about it?

The people who now see what Obama is up to are the same ones who recognized what the hell was going on then. That's how this site was started. I was a lerker here then though I did post occasionally under a different name. There was never a question in my mind that he was going to be disastrous to this country and to democracy. I told people we would be at war in no time, that our economy would crash, environment would be ruined, etc., but I have to admit they went EVEN further than I expected and they were much more blatant about it. I saw what I saw because I pay attention the facts . . . and people look back now and praise the foresight of those who sensed it immediately.

Same people are saying that what is happening is wrong. Are they now stupid/crazy because they are seeing the same problems in someone who claims to be a democrat? Are we that blind?? Do we have to act like the GOP lemmings so as not to offend your sensibilities?

Based on the FACTS of who is being chosen to help govern and what their histories are and what policies they lean toward we can see where things are going and our predictions are coming true once again. SOOOOO much more could've been done to undo the damage of the Bush years so far. Instead we daily hear about some policy or position that is being maintained from that very destructive era. Anybody who's half paying attention can see that this is NOT the change we were looking for or promised. Those who remain determined to keep their head in the sand or say that those with their eyes open should go need to stop being so defensive, stop projecting their intellectual laziness and wake the fuck up.

[spoony]

48. It is getting stupid, and I mean this sort of empty rhetoric

trying to demonise and silence criticism.

[treestar]

49. I think they are unrealistic

And in some cases, immature.

Or just trolls.

[ZombieHorde]

52. Do people who use logical fallacies hate critical thinking?

losing credibility

The use of logical fallacies, such as the ones in both of our subject lines, may discredit one's posts for those who enjoy critical thinking.

[HopeOverFear]

53. When people's emotions get in the way, we can say all kinds of stupid shit

we can twist facts, we can make shit up...it's amazing what the human species can do when we let emotions rule our lives instead of our brains. Someone over in GD actually called Obama a serial killer because he's sending troops to afghanistan...*smh* Another one purposefully twisted the headline of an article about afghanistan, saying that obama plans to keep troops there for 8 or 9 years, when the article ACTUALLY said obama wants troops OUT in 8/9 years. Or maybe it wasn't purposeful. LIke I said, emotions cloud judgement.