Is Bayh gonna run in the primary against the President?

[AngryAmish]

That would suck.

[tridim]

1. .

:rofl:

[butterfly77]

19. First thing to come to my mind...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

2. He'll probably run against him in the General.

[AngryAmish]

3. well done

[JVS]

20. Or primary him and if he loses be Palin's VP.

;-)

[Joe Bacon]

61. or LIEberman's VP

I got a creepy feeling LIEberman is going to do an "Americans for LIEberman" shtick in 2012 as a final FU to the Democratic Party.

[nickinSTL]

4. would not surprise me if he has something like that in mind

n/t

[DefenseLawyer]

5. No.

He's a relatively young guy. No one who seriously believes they will ever be President is going to follow Kennedy's disastrous '80 model. He would burn too many bridges and ultimately lose. I'm sure he has a plan, but that certainly isn't it.

[LiberalFighter]

42. Bayh is not capable of putting together a plan.

He has to spend time charging his batteries enough so the 10 watt bulb in his head works.

[DefenseLawyer]

43. He's not the sharpest tool in the shed

but he's had smart people telling him what to do for a long time. He was elected governor at 33 and has never lost an election in his life. Granted he's a legacy, but still, he's been a successful, albeit utterly vacuous, politician for a long time. There's a plan.

[LiberalFighter]

44. He's had his dad's name, good looking wife at the time,

and twin sons to help propel him through life in politics.

Unlike his dad, Bayh leaves politics without any accomplishments.

[havocmom]

6. Thinkin more along the lines of accepting a VERY lucrative job in 'private sector'

ya know, one without much real work required. Thinkin lots of 'retiring' pols are gonna be off to the real rewards of all their work while in office.

Or, some are looking at some serious dirty laundry about to come out.

Still hoping Larry Flynt has his bounty available for proof of hypocrisy by 'family values' spoutin pols. That could rid us of many liars and cheats in high places.

[Vinnie From Indy]

12. It is still a possibility that he knows the next few years are going to get

exponentially worse for Americans and wants out before the shit really hits the fan.

[havocmom]

33. LOL It seems likely MOST of the enablers of the shit storm know, and are bailing

But I STILL harbor hope that Flynt's offer of bounties for evidence of 'family values' pols' hypocrisy are still out there. I believe he said they should resign or know the truth will out.

Sure are a lot of retirements coming up. While I am not a fan of his publications, I do think Mr. Flynt is a most patriotic man who gives more than lip service to the Constitution and what it stands for. I would LOVE to know so many pols are falling on their swords due to being found out to be less than they insist others be.

[Ganja Ninja]

7. You know what would suck more.

Him replacing Biden on the 2012 ticket.

[golfguru]

11. Might be a winning startegy in 2012 n/t

[Ganja Ninja]

14. Depends on which party you want to win.

Doesn't motivate me much.

[golfguru]

51. The motivation is to give Obama the best ticket which can win

whether you like it or not, there are a lot of centrist voters
in the country and Bayh is the best bet to pull them in.

[karynnj]

56. Why not stay Senator then? Senators can and do run

I think it is better keeping Biden, but if Bayh were a good idea leaving his seat only hurts us.

[Ganja Ninja]

60. No thanks. I prefer real liberals. n/t

[Jennicut]

28. For whom? The Rethugs? You never switch VPS.

Unless there is a major scandal.

[golfguru]

50. My guess is Biden will bow out after 2011...n/t

[Jennicut]

54. I don't think so, Cheney never left even though he was not going to run as President

some day. I doubt Obama wants to have a VP who is ultra ambitious and untrustworthy. Thankfully, he never picked Bayh as VP.

[Sebastian Doyle]

41. Like Hell it would

I would NEVER vote for any ticket with Evan Bayh on it. And I'm not alone.

[golfguru]

49. Look at it this way...Obama will still be at the head of that ticket

and I am assuming you want the best chance for him to win 2nd term.

[Sebastian Doyle]

52. If he put that piece of shit on the ticket, it would be a statement he was going more right wing

and if that's the case, he wouldn't deserve my support either.

FUCK the DLC and FUCK this stupid myth of the "center" which is destroying this country.

[karynnj]

55. That is highly unlikely

Why would Obama reward him for essentially giving a seat to the Republicans in 2010. One radio report said that there is on;y a week for someone else to get on the ballot. Some thing - health, scandal etc must have happened. If his reason were as given this should have been done months ago.

[Captain Hilts]

8. It would make the president look all the better. nt

[timeforpeace]

9. Probably.

[Thrill]

10. Doubt it. No one is going to run against Obama

He's headed for a job in the Healthcare industry

[brand404]

23. By the way things are going -- the people will probably do that.

The Sunlight Foundations revelation reveals Obama is corporate owned.

[jefferson_dem]

47. Oh, bullshit.

No such thing has been "revealed" and you know it.

[Arkana]

13. No.

Bayh would have to challenge the President from the RIGHT, and no one--NO ONE--does that in a Democratic primary. If you challenge, you do it from the left.

[RaleighNCDUer]

16. Unless, of course, you actually believe the president is a socialist. nt

[JVS]

18. Obama challenged Clinton from the Left and then shattered his coalition by enacting DLC policy

Bayh could easily re-assemble Clinton's coalition of older, whiter, and more conservative Democrats. Meanwhile Obama would have to explain to the Latte liberals, the young/jobless, and the peaceniks why he's been pissing on them. This allows Bayh to turn Obama into exactly what the Clinton campaign tried to: the Jesse Jackson of the election, able only to depend on the African American vote.

[Arkana]

27. I meant challenging a sitting President for the nomination.

No Democrat challenges his own party's President from the right.

[JVS]

30. Oh really?

Wallace did. There aren't enough challenges (or really even enough sitting democratic presidents) within the last 100 years to make a rule about this. Basically in modern political history we have Wallace in 1964 from the right and Kennedy in 1980 from the left.

[Arkana]

31. This isn't 1964.

I can tell you with absolute 100% certainty that Bayh will NOT--I repeat, NOT--challenge Obama for the nomination in 2012.

Also, FYI--if Wallace was alive today, he'd be a Republican.

I'm sick of hearing reams of conspiracy theory bullshit from this website. Obama is not going to be challenged from the right, and I'm about 95% certain there will be no serious challenge from the left in 2012, either.

[JVS]

35. If Bayh sees a weakness, he can exploit it. The economy is shit and it doesn't show signs of...

getting better, especially now that Obama is worrying about deficits instead of jobs. By 2012 not only could Bayh see an opportunity to unseat Obama, he might have the conservative wing of the party begging him to do it so that they can have a clean slate.

[Arkana]

59. If Bayh challenged a sitting President for the nomination and lost (which would most likely happen)

he would be finished in the Democratic Party--and politics in general.

The guy's an opportunist, not an ideologue, and he strikes me as too bland to have Presidential ambitions. You're fighting ghosts here.

[JVS]

15. I've been predicting this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x148394#148511

[Perky]

17. Of course not...

Even if he had that much balss it would be a stupid move to leave the Senate and emasculate yourself politically.

[JTFrog]

21. Where's the money in that?

He's set to rake it in with big PHRMa.

[Jennicut]

22. No. He is taking a job with lots of money.

Lobbyist, insurance industry, pharma's new rep. Something along those lines.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

24. I bet he's readying the bed for pharma.

Gonna lie right down in that thing and spread his legs as wide as they can go.

[yurbud]

25. hmmm...whatever Obama's faults, Bayh is worse and BORING

[JVS]

26. Bayh sucks, but if he starts making a move for the presidency, Obama...

had better be able to circle the wagons of the liberal wing of the party. This might be a challenge in light of how Obama has been treating liberals since getting elected.

[yurbud]

29. I don't think Bayh would be stupid enough to run against him since Obama has filled his cabinet

with top DLCers, the only allies besides corporations that Bayh could depend on.

[JVS]

32. You think they'll give a shit if Obama goes down?

[yurbud]

34. I don't even think he would put a dent in Obama. Bayh makes dishwater seem exciting by comparison

[JVS]

36. Boring is acceptable in a politician when you're pissed off about not having a job

[yurbud]

53. replacing one DLCer with an even more corporate compliant one is not going to appeal to jobless

If the target is the jobless, they would want someone more radical, not more Wall Street's bitch.

[JVS]

57. I don't see "throw the bums out" specifying that.

I agree with you. But do a bunch of people who've become impoverished, bitter, and clinging to their guns and religion see that?

No jobs= no reelection for Obama. Possibly in the primaries, and as I pointed out above he can't rely on the coalition that got him the nomination if things get tough.

[yurbud]

58. maybe there would be a tiny chance of someone else doing it, but Bayh's charisma is in the negative

numbers.

And he has NOTHING to sell that Obama doesn't except maybe grovelling more deeply before our corporate masters without even the pretense of expecting reform.

[quiller4]

37. No. He wants to be governor again and will probably take a university post

and bide his time.

[theothersnippywshrub]

40. I agree that he wants to run for Governor. I also think he sees a republican tsunami coming

in November, and that even if he won reelection he did not want to serve in the minority again.

[old mark]

38. No. He's too much nothing. He's going for the bigger bucks. nt

[Hippo_Tron]

39. Well lets see he didn't run in 2008 because Senator Obama was too strong

I don't think he'll stand much of a chance against President Obama.

[WI_DEM]

45. No.

[polichick]

46. Too similar. We need a progressive primary challenger. nt

[jefferson_dem]

62. Run Kooooooch Run!

n/t

[timeforpeace]

48. If anyone gets the Big Pharma job, it's Obama.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

63. HELL NO!

[jefferson_dem]

64. He says no.

Bayh denied an interest in running for president in 2012 either as a Democrat or independent. Asked on MSNBC if there were any chance he would run, Bayh said, "None, whatsoever."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gJwQSACg6p__i35Va50oSmwY_wvAD9DT8VAG0

[karynnj]

65. Remember how much support he was able to get for the OPEN seat in 2008?

At that time, he had one of the largest war chests and there were clear signals he was thinking about it - but the what was so cold, it might have been ice. Challenging an incumbent is a harder task - what would have changed to make Bayh an interesting competitor?

I really think Obama is close enough to the center of the DEMOCRATIC party spectrum that there is no "room" on the right or left for a challenge. That is likely near impossible - remember that Jimmy Carter was unpopular and Obama is not; Carter was to the right edge of the party - Obama is to the center; Ted Kennedy was charismatic and Bayh isn't - and Ted Kennedy lost.

[olegramps]

66. NO!!!!!

[CK_John]

67. I doubt it because I don't think Obama will run for a second term. n/t