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Nancy Waterman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:24 AM Original message |
Why are we not going after Confederate History Month? |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
1. exactly. NT |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #1 |
42. why can't it just be CIVIL WAR HISTORY MONTH? |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #42 |
64. that's the point. They still believe the Union was an aggressor, |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
2. Best response is to point out how Confederacy lead to Southern Strategy of Republican party. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
3. Did you see Jon Stewart's take on this? |
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CanonRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Link please? |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:36 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Oh Sorry... |
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SheilaT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
5. As a side note, |
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Nancy Waterman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:33 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Foremost among those state's rights |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. I don't condone the deemphasis of slavery as a key component |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:26 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Of course there were other issues, most of them related to the slave economy... |
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SheilaT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
59. What happened fifty years |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-10 11:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
70. thank you for this |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-12-10 05:06 AM Response to Reply #5 |
73. When did New York ban Slavery? |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #73 |
78. NY banned slavery in 1841; in reality, not until 1865 |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
8. I'm betting you are unaware that most of the Southern States |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:46 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Meh, I live in Missouri, so I see both sides... |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
49. The only people celebrating this bullshit are sons and |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
11. I have no idea why people even find it worthy... |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:07 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Peoples who are defeated in hard-fought wars .... |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:14 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Its the mythologizing that is most disturbing, the quaint myth about the antebellum south... |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:22 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Yes... but that is the coping mechanism... |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:30 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. The problem is that this "coping mechanism" as you call it is damaging... |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:36 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Of course it is not healthy... |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Frankly you can't, the problem is they marginalize themselves... |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:58 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. If you truly believe this |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
51. The even-greater myths absolving the North should be equally disturbing |
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Nancy Waterman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:23 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I see it more as pathology than just psychology |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:28 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Some psychology is pathology, so nothing inconsistent there... |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:34 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. OK, this is what I don't understand, how would this be approached... |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Well, to start with |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:48 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. The problem is we don't, can't understand it... |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:57 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. ... |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:13 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I was born and raised in Missouri, not quite Yankee, not quite Southern... |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:18 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Much of my family--my grandparents were from Missour-EE |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:22 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Oh I know, Missouri itself is a mess when it comes to this stuff... |
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Nancy Waterman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:45 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. The Confederacy obession is part of a larger picture |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Our methods of psychotherapy and dealing with social disorders |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:03 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Hmm, maybe take a page from what happened after WWII? |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:14 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. You know what was behind the Marshall Solution... |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:19 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. The defensiveness is a problem.... |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:23 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Perhaps you are new enough to DU not to have seen the |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. I'll denounce what I think is stupidity... |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. What I am referring to |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. You know what made me appreciate the "inherited pride & guilt" |
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Empowerer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:15 PM Response to Reply #41 |
60. The late Judge Leon Higginbotham noted that slavery was/is not the problem |
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Nancy Waterman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #28 |
43. hlthe2b - The key to moving away from the victim role |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:24 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Those who are exploiting those feelings of alienation, lack of power, |
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Nancy Waterman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. hlthe2b - I quite agree |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. And to that, Nancy, I also agree. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
52. I totally agree with this, Nancy. |
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tledford (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
53. There is a big difference between 15 years (1918-1933) and 145 years (1865-2010). |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 06:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
61. Enslaving was done by New Englanders. Many Southern Blacks not slaves. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. And what the hell does this have to do with the civil war and the Confederacy? |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-12-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #63 |
75. Needing to come to grips with the facts is not limited to the South |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-12-10 05:12 AM Response to Reply #61 |
74. She did it too, mom! |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-12-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
77. Hear hear!!!! As an ex-Southerner I applaud you for telling it like it is.! nt |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
22. Yeah, Jon Stewart was great. And if you can stop laughing long enough ... |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
24. April 12th. Confederacy Surrender Day! |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
26. What do you want "us" to do about it? Be thankful, it's just for one month. nt |
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Rage Inc. (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
39. K&R |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
44. But we have been going after Confederate History Month, even before the slavery issue...miss it? |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
45. I did |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Surprise surprise. n/t |
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craigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
54. Celebrating the confederacy = celebrating treason n/t |
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Ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 07:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Maybe... |
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political_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
56. We should go after Confederate History Month. It is a matter of conscience. |
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harkadog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
57. So by your logic Obama was celebrating treason |
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Zomby Woof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. I made the same point the other day |
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Mudoria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
58. Wait till you find out all Southern states |
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Synicus Maximus (828 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-10-10 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
62. Interesting note. In Georgia Confederate Memorial Day and |
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bigwoolymammoth (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-10 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
65. Who is "We"? |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-10 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
67. A dumb ass heritage. YOU LOST!! Get over THAT!!! n/t |
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besdayz (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-10 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
68. holocaust |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-11-10 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
69. How about "Confederate Terrorism Month"? /nt |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-12-10 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
71. "President Wilson Tips Hat to Confederate Veterans" |
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MarshalltheIrish (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-12-10 02:40 AM Response to Original message |
72. +100 |
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political_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-12-10 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
76. When celebrating the Confederacy and its soldiers, some parts must not be forgotten. |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
79. Wasn't the American Revolution treason, too? We celebrate that every July 4th. eom |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. We won, remember? |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-13-10 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
80. We can't risk upsetting the Reich wingers. We can earn their votes if we just meet them in the |
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