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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 12:56 PM Original message |
Why do some people define "leadership" as being loud, in your face and radical? |
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azmouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
1. Because "loud, in your face radicals" see themselves as the only way to be. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 05:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
67. +1 |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 07:12 AM Response to Reply #1 |
93. Swish. Nothin' but net. +1. nt |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
2. I like that he is deliberate. But this has been evolving for weeks and the spill is out of control |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. Because most people don't understand what it means to be a leader. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
68. +1 |
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Butch350 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
4. K&R - Bigtime |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
5. The ever present complaint contingent will never, ever be happy w/ anything Obama does. |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
6. SPORTS |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Ah, Beat Me to the Point |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
7. It Comes from Sports |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 08:13 AM Response to Reply #7 |
96. I actually think you contradicted your own point. |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
9. Because people would rather hear from Obama than Napolitano and Salazar |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. We've heard from him AND the relevant cabinet members. We are suppose to hear from them too. |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. You asked why and I told you why |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. My question was why do they insist he be loud, in your face and radical... |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I answered the more sober question behind your inflammatory interpretation |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. There have been plenty of reassurances, just not with a big political production behind them. |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. I've never seen anyone demanding "loud, in your face and radical leadership" from Obama |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Here is your link... |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. You'll need to find some specific posts to prove your assertion |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. No, I'm not playing that game with you. |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Project much? |
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xocet (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #32 |
102. "...I'm not willing to coddle you with links to arguments...." |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
10. Because this is America and some people want big loud macho type Presidents. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
15. Not my complaint at all |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I think your doubts are unfounded. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. I think you are confusing me with someone else |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I'm not sure if a nuclear warhead would actually be safe. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. No it probably wouldn't |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. LOL. STD jokes + Gallows humor is nothing but win. |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Yes--the OP is a strawman. I don't care how Obama does it, but BP shouldn't outrank our military. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Your strawman is a strawman. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Nothing can be done |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Just address the media issue--why does BP control media access? n/t |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. That isn't what this thread is about... |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. The media has put itself in more dangerous situations |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. That might be true. But if something did happen that caused more loss of human life... |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Media goes into active war zones and is shot at routinely |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. In order to be a cover up operation, something would actually have to be covered up. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Pictures |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I've seen plenty of pictures of dead animals and oil tainted water. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Yes |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. So you don't really know that this is a catastrophe of epic proportions? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. I don't think you have seen anything yet nt. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
71. BP is private |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 04:21 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. When BP outranks the military and local law enforcement, how is that a "freeper" concern? |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #71 |
98. False statement. There is plenty of hierarchy outside the military |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Its pretty clear that the admin is running the parts its capable of doing something about. |
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mzteris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
16. wish I could rec this |
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tranche (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
19. Same people around here that claim they "can't stand listening to him" or that it's "all lies"... |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:42 PM Original message |
I read him |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #19 |
31. I read him |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
34. Yelling you won't take it anymore doesn't stop oil leaks magically? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Dirty truth in my estimation |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. And after watching the 60 Minutes interview - a relief well would be quite a feat. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. They are fucked |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. That's how I see it. nt |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
44. Instant gratification through Crossfiring. n/t |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Care to expand |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
52. Too many people expect the news to come to them directly, at their convenience |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I think when there is a disaster in 2010 |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. He is being "proactive with the media" |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. I'm not really complaining about response |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #52 |
99. I get a request for $$$ twice a week. He can go on national TV and give some progress now and then |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
54. No-drama Obama does not entertain them enough |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:27 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I think you are over simplifying a complex issue nt |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
58. oh good, another STFU thread |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Hey the government and BP are only worried about the media's safety |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. interesting point... |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. That isn't happening again |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. I know. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 08:26 PM Response to Reply #58 |
72. Deleted message |
Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 06:38 AM Response to Reply #72 |
88. so, in other words, you want me to STFU? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
60. Why is opposing Un-American corporations & the GOP defined as being loud, in your face and radical? |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. because some people think defending BP and Obama is the same thing |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:12 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. I dont think it would be "radical" if Obama threatened to oppose all of their subsuides, tax breaks |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. yup. you said it. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 05:40 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. Wow, no kidding. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 05:39 AM Response to Reply #63 |
80. some people think attacking BP and Obama is the same thing |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 06:37 AM Response to Reply #80 |
87. yeah, that's basically what I'm saying thanks for agreeing with me |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-24-10 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
69. KnR....empty suit tactics is not what we need |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 05:08 AM Response to Reply #69 |
77. Ya know, I expect to be fighting that kind of racist stereotype the rest of my life. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 04:44 AM Response to Original message |
74. Che. Hugo Chavez. Fidel Castro. Adolf Hitler. Khrushchev. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 04:45 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Yes, instead put Gas Tax legislation in to fleece the "little people." Quietly and covertly |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 04:54 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Thump the podium and demand that "irresponsible gas guzzling Americans" are the problem... |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 05:12 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. There's a balance and it doesn't include punishing Americans for BP's and other Corporations' |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 05:33 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Go biodeisel if that makes you happy. Or learn to use your legs/arms/etc. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 05:49 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. That's sad. Given the 700 Billion TAX dollars used to bail out the investment banksters ... |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 05:59 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. A loan is not a tax. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 06:04 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. You're the one with the vile references. I'm simply stating that we bail out corporations ... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 06:07 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Deleted message |
ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 06:28 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Gee, how mature. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 07:06 AM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Hey, if you take a discussion into the realm of code words like "corporatism"... |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 07:16 AM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Look at what's going on in Congress and the Executive Branch? Who benefits? |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #82 |
100. They don't need a fucking loan. They make record profits every damn quarter |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 06:35 AM Response to Reply #74 |
86. That is not my criticism of Barack at all |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 06:47 AM Response to Reply #86 |
89. "a coward"? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 06:48 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. He gives a speech where he says the right things |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 07:09 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Calling him "chicken" would be as effective. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 07:32 AM Response to Reply #92 |
95. I've seen him fold more winning poker hands on the flop |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
97. This is an opportunity for the radical change in energy practices that we need. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. He still not only has a plan for more drilling but INCENTIVES to do so |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-25-10 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
103. Bush set that "swaggering cowboy" |
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