Something tells me Obama is going to go further to the right after this election

[bigdarryl]

Saying in the NY Times interview about still working with rethugs if they take the house and now him meeting with Rice at the White House.Cenk might be right again on this one he's going to go right

[RandomThoughts]

1. I know why they do that.

They look at what happens to people in the world as how they are judged. So they see people with my opinions without money, as some system verdict, not as an attempt for a system to stay alive.

The system does bend to justice, but their is also an inertial force in societal systems, and that inertia goes after people that try to correct it and move it to justice.

So while part of the system pulls to justice, another part resist, and those that pull towards justice with compassion get kicked around.

It makes complete sense.



Proof of that is that society has gotten better over the centuries, and those that fought for those things got kicked around, but their programs were eventually integrated into society.


Stand up, you take a few lumps, but you can change the world for the better.

So I support these awesome beautiful people with all my heart, because in the battle she remembers love. And I will fight for her rights also.


Side note, the comment is not about President Obama, nor even the writer of the article. it is about those that are trying to pull to the right by claims that having things proves their point. Again I was commenting on concepts, I was not commenting on what some person said some other person is doing in some article by some person posted by some other person. Function not data.

Sarah McLachlan - Loving You Is Easy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEetdGN93SE

And the fire does not burn.

[xchrom]

2. the rice thing -- if i put the iraq war aside -- doesn't bother me so much

the first african american woman secratary of state meets with the first elected african american president.

he's had colin powell get his back -- and powell was up to his eyebrows on the iraq debacle too.
and he met with powell in 08.

i hate condi -- and i think if you think kissinger was guilty of war crimes -- you should think condi was too.

but i get why these guys would meet each other.
it's a small club.

[4lbs]

3. He'll have to, just to get any legislation passed.

If there are fewer Democrats in the Senate, and we lose control in the House, the remaining Democratic Congresspeople certainly won't be tacking left.

Futhermore, we'll have a bunch of teabagger nutjobs in the Senate wanting to eliminate everything that was done the past two years, and even roll back the state of things to 2002.

[littlewolf]

21. true +1

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. It Doesn't Matter If He Goes Right, Left, Or Center If Unemployment Is > 9% In 012

He and we are going to be in the same condition as we are now.

[marlakay]

5. i think the republicans want to keep

it high so they will win in 12. do you think we wanted it bad during Bush so our side would win? are we all like that?

it makes you think, how far is the other side willing to let things go to win the next election, and I mean on both sides honestly?

very sick...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. I Would Hope We Aren't Like But That

But just as Democrats were "beneficiaries" of a lousy economy in 08 they will be its victims in 010.

That's politics.

[lunatica]

8. Maybe it's not about 'letting things go' as much as 'making things go'

I mean, I've been thinking for years that the America that Democrats envision is directly opposite to what the Republicans envision. They want a crippled middle class because it takes wealth away from the rich, who they consider themselves to be. They want a feudal system where everything is privatized and the peons get to pay taxes and tolls to the overlords in exchange for being allowed to work for them.

They don't want to be leaders. They want to be rulers with a distinct class system.

So basically they want to destroy our Democracy which represents all the people by changing it to Capitalism which represents the elite wealthy.

[stray cat]

7. with a republican house and a slim majority in the senate - good guess

[Skinner]

9. If he wants to get anything done, he'll have no choice.

More Republicans and fewer Democrats in Congress = Obama needs to include Republicans to pass legislation.

It's math. :shrug:

[Enrique]

22. includes Republicans?

does that mean enact their agenda?

For example, does it mean extending the Bush tax cuts? Privatizing Social Security? Expanding offshore drilling? Oh, wait, he already did that last one...

[ibegurpard]

24. If Republicans take congress, I expect him to be the firewall

not to work with them

[Aramchek]

10. something tells me you will continue with your passive-aggressiveness towards Obama

for years and years to come.

Am I right?

[phleshdef]

11. After all this time, you and many others still don't "get" Obama.

He isn't walking around with a political compass and asking himself if something is "right enough" or "left enough". He really seems to not give a shit about which ideology a proposed solution comes from. He is looking at the big picture and he takes the long view. He evaluates the realistic options and he gets shit done.

[jefferson_dem]

12. Word.

Whoever is thinking this man views politics through a dogmatic ideological prism hasn't been paying attention...since 2004.

[democracy1st]

14. Ah BS there's No fight in the pres,rightwingers kick his butt daily and he still respects them!

[polichick]

16. So far he gets a lot of shitty deals done instead of sticking to Democratic principles...

...to bring desperately needed structural change.

I wish he'd govern by putting his campaign rhetoric into bold action instead of acting like two different people.

When 70% of the people are behind something, as in the case of a public option, it is very "realistic" to get it done.

[Enrique]

25. he asks "is it centrist enough"

centrism is his ideology.

[DCBob]

26. +1

I think many of us know that on this board but our voices are drowned out by all the others bitching and moaning.

[FBaggins]

13. But we won't have to hear about the "era of big government"

No Dick Morris on staff.

[polichick]

15. If so, he'll lose what's left of his credibility. I'm hoping he does the opposite...

...but if he does move right, I hope he does it quickly so that there is time for a primary challenger to get organized.

[budkin]

17. Just like Clinton did... remember welfare reform?

[Bitwit1234]

18. If he goes further right than what he is

HE WILL SURELY BE A ONE TERM PRESIDENT. BECAUSE you won't get a lot of Democrats who will vote for him. He might not even win a primary.

[bvar22]

19. Its LOSE/LOSE for the Democratic Wing of the Party no matter WHAT happens.

If Republicans GAIN seats, the "Centrist" Party Leadership will say,
"SEE! The country is more conservative and we have to move to The RIGHT to "get things done."

If the Democrats GAIN seats, it will be spun as a Public Mandate for their "Centrist" Republican appeasing policies.

--bvar22
Once a loyal, proud, Pro-Working Class, mainstream FDR Democrat,
now relegated to the Lunatic Fringe "Fucking Retard" wing of the "New Democrat" Party.


"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."
--- Paul Wellstone

[Kdillard]

20. How about we don't let that happen with enough hard work.

Pointless waste of energy. Work on keeping the House.

[JamesA1102]

23. That's what happened to Clinton.

He was forced to because of political realities.

[moondust]

27. It's that or have nothing to show for your Presidency.

Years of gridlock with repeated use of the veto pen to prevent serious damage is not enough to get somebody to the top of the "Best Presidents" list.

It's a tough situation and hard to blame somebody for wanting to get SOMETHING accomplished.

Clinton got screwed to a great extent by a Republican congress. Hopefully it won't get much worse for Obama.

[dflprincess]

28. If the "something" that gets accomplished causes more harm to the country

then it's better to have "nothing" to show by holding the line against the those who would do damage.

Sooner or later selling the working and middle classes out will not look good in the history books.