Is it asking to much for those on DU to stop looking for a replacement

[Top Cat]

for President Obama... Sometimes I feel that we are no better then the Re-fucks with all this nonsense. This is part of the reason in my opinion that we gave the right ammunition to use against us in the mid-term.

[noamnety]

1. I think it's asking too much, yes.

The primary process is a part of democracy, and there are legitimate reasons why parties should go through that process instead of automatically granting the party nomination to incumbents regardless of performance.

[gkhouston]

2. Exactly. If people want to push a candidate, let 'em. n/t

[Top Cat]

3. Well I don't give the man a chance..

This non-sense on DU concerning the POTUS replacement is getting very old. There are plenty of other sites for this kind of BULL.

[noamnety]

4. It's fine for you to personally support him as the next democratic nominee.

And it's fine for other people on DU to support other democratic candidates for that office.

That's pretty standard here for congressional seats as well, I think.

[Donnachaidh]

18. as long as it's a Democrat - what's the problem?

Or is not passing the *purity* patrol?

[ampad]

5. Hide thread is your friend

Take a deep breath and relax. There are people out there who feel the same way.

http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2010/11/howd-that-pissing-on-obama-thing-work.html

The author has several great articles. Spread the word.

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[Exilednight]

7. "Sometimes I feel that we are no better then the Re-fucks" - I wish Republicans would of ..........

have run someone against Bush in their 2004 primary.

[Top Cat]

9. I agree..

[Exilednight]

11. Then have you to agree that we sound a lot different thanRepublicans. n/t

[Top Cat]

13. yeah because they stick together even when they don't agree.

[political_Dem]

10. I wish your request could be fulfilled, but to some party loyalty is overrated.

We now belong to a party in which it is vogue to cut fellow Dems to shreds instead of building coalitions to push progress ahead.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: because of this division, the GOP doesn't have to lift a finger to put their candidates into office. It seems the Southern Strategy has engulfed both sides of the political spectrum. It is scary to note which folks are truly susceptible to snake charming music of hate and frustration. :(

[Top Cat]

12. I agree.. But it is so sad to see this we will not win with this attitude.

[political_Dem]

14. Yes, it is very sad.

In a perfect world, we would be standing together and fighting the GOP back--especially on the issues they want to destroy.

But it is easier for some to attack our own party than to fight for a progressive agenda in other venues so the war of information can be won. But the way it is now, other folks will think, "If the DNC doesn't think highly of their party leaders and the POTUS, why should we believe their agenda? Since there is so much in-fighting and no coalitions, it means they don't care about any plans to help the American people."

We need to stop the chaos and get a game plan together.

One of those plans have to be recruiting new voters.

[Exilednight]

15. Wouldn't you have to agree that Obama is the leader of the party, and as .............

such he has the obligation of building coalitions and pushing progress?

If you really want to know where much of the frustration of liberals and progressives come from, then read Matt Taibi's article about how Obama's team sold out Organizing for America to the DNC.

[political_Dem]

17. I enjoy Matt Taibbi's articles, truly.

But frankly, I'm sick of the Obama/DNC-undermining crap. It's not helping us as a party. And all it does is cause infighting.

I'll ask this question that I asked in another thread: with all this divisiveness in the party, who truly wins?

The more Democrats fight each other, the more the old money, influential elite of the elites win. Old, white men with power and money like to see the plebians fight. They are laughing at our squabbles and raking in the money to boot.

All the infighting does is allow those with the real power make more restrictive decisions over the rest of us while we are distracted. The GOP loves us for it. They like angry, frustrated liberals infused with the Southern Strategy to cut the President down. It takes care of the dirty work for Karl Rove and his minions--especially when nothing gets passed.

[Donnachaidh]

19. there would NOT *be* divisiveness if we actually got a candidate that did something for US

Not just the banks - or the car manufacturers who use the government as a financial crutch.

And please, spare the regurgitation of the health insurance profit guarantee bill, etc. The middle class is dying, while our leader is telling Indian elites that off-shoring jobs is not the problem.

Stop blaming the base when the problem is the administration that *rules* half-way at best, not at all when it can get away with *bipartisan* excuses.

[political_Dem]

20. Why do we need to depend solely on one candidate when we ourselves can fight for change?

Asking for a candidate to solve all these problems is pretty much like how the GOP runs its party: total authoritarianism. In that manner, you give up your freedom at the discretion of one person who "rules them all".

That isn't the mindset of the DNC.

Furthermore, Mr. Obama is not a legislator. The Representatives and Senators make up Congress. They create the legislation. And their constituents repeatedly call and use other methods of campaigning to get things done. That is how a true democracy works. That is how a base should get their power back: by electing legislators who will get the job done. Was that accomplished? Or were people too hellbent on teaching the Dems a lesson?

[Exilednight]

23. Let me take these one by one ............

"Why do we need to depend solely on one candidate when we ourselves can fight for change?"

I am fighting for change. Sadly, I have to fight against my own party's leader to get the change that this country needs.

"Asking for a candidate to solve all these problems is pretty much like how the GOP runs its party: total authoritarianism. In that manner, you give up your freedom at the discretion of one person who "rules them all".

If an elected official is not expected to "solve all these problems", then why bother electing anyone at all.

"Furthermore, Mr. Obama is not a legislator. The Representatives and Senators make up Congress. They create the legislation."

President's do create legislation. FDR's administration wrote many of his own bills. Bush 43's administration wrote many of his own bills, including the patriot-act. Clinton's administration drafted much of their own legislation.

[Exilednight]

25. Personal Correction.........

It was not Matt Taibbi that wrote the article I was thinking of. It was Tim Dickinson.

Link to article: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/12697/64874

It explains a lot of the politics involved within the party and the divisions of DLC/DNC/OFA and liberals/progressives.

[cherokeeprogressive]

16. No President should ever be considered a lock for a second term only two years into his first. n/t

[kentuck]

21. I have not given up on this President...

I think we should wait and see how he handles this taxcuts debate? Then go from there...

[Clio the Leo]

22. Let them...

.... it will be fun to go back and read everyone's posts in November '12 ;-)

[MadHound]

24. Is it asking too much for the President to start acting like a real Democrat

Instead of another corporate Republicrat?

Frankly we need to get this drumbeat of primary to beat louder, get Obama's attention. He is about to cave on two serious issues, the tax cuts and the Catfood Commission recommendations. He has got to be clear that if he does cave, he will pay. It's that simple.

[angee_is_mad]

26. Now you are living in La La land

President Obama has become the favorite punching bag for the netroot progressive community.
Thank God I'm a liberal!