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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:12 PM Original message |
Cloture at 55 |
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Lord Helmet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
1. k 'n r & I hope Lieberman loses his chairmanship |
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HillGal (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. You can't start changing the rules because you're not happy about |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. They have been there and did that and shoved through stuff |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Of course you can if what you are unhappy about is a dysfunctional system |
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DrToast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. You're asking how I feel about democracy |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. End cloture 100%. I am unhappy about an undemocratic rule |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
20. If they start shoving things through that we don't agree with? Do you remember the 8 years previous |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
3. Unfortunately the rules of the Senate |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
4. A thread earlier noted that by rule it would take 67 votes to change |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. No, I Believe A Simple Majority Could Change The Rule |
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DrToast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
5. I see no reason why 55 votes should be required |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
7. I Was Against Nuking The Fillibuster When The Repubs Wanted To |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
8. Senate Rules cannot be changed without the agreement of 2/3 of Senators |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Link? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Rule XXII: |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. That Doesn't Apply To This Particular Instance |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Republicans have made noises about wanting to completely end the filibuster before |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. You are very unlikely to get anyone the minority party to give up this power |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. You Wouldn't Have To, See Above, Does NOT Require 2/3 |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. That's what I thought. So... |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I Could Live W/ A 55 Vote Threshhold |
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Waiting For Everyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
16. K&R Couldn't. Agree. More. |
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apnu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
23. I say fuck that, make Lieberman filibuster the thing all on his own. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
24. We CAN play hardball using this. For example: |
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Lochloosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. +1 |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Yup, Good Point, Just Like The Repub THREAT Of The Nuke Lead To The "Gang Of 14" |
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RoadRage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
27. And in 4 - 6 years, when the Republicans control the senate |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Do you think the number should have been kept at 67 as originally set? |
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RoadRage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Right.. |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. I agree. What's good for us now isn't good for us in the future. |
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TheBigotBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. It is not as though the Democratic Party did much to stop them before 2009 |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
29. Not a bad idea. |
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Clear Blue Sky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
30. Careful changing the rules. We won't have the majority forever. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Why not set cloture at 75 votes then? |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-14-09 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
35. Harkin's proposal for filibuster reform is pretty cool. |
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