Will the bill pass or fail?

[ProSense]

Poll question: Will the bill pass or fail?

On Monday, Reid is holding a vote on a slightly revised tax cut deal.


Will the bill pass?

[truthN08]

1. I don't know

I hope it does but lately folks have been running around making no sense so my confidence is low. It's as if reality isn't reality anymore. How hard is it to see THESE repukes will NOT back down and their base will NOT make them pay for not extending unemployment because they vote against their own economic best interest? If their base could see clearly that they are voting against what's best for them they wouldn't be repukes in the first place. It's easy to stand on principal when you have a warm bed to go home to at night and all your needs are met.

All my needs are meet but I still care for those who aren't sure how they can do it. I would love to sock it to repukes but not at the expense of others who will be the ones to carry the actual burden of that decision. So I just don't know if it will pass but I sure hope so for all the folks that need that money.

[boppers]

2. I expect lots of "reluctantly supporting" speeches.

...from both sides of the aisle.

[Ozymanithrax]

3. It will pass because, in the end...

Democrats don't want to find out if the American people are behind them by rejecting the tax package. They know that the media is unfriendly, at best, and will sell the failure to extend the tax breaks as a Democratic failure. By the time we vote, they will have convinced ten million voters that Democrats raised their taxes to spend more money.

[napi21]

4. If it wasn't for the unemployed, I think we'd stand a chance

of defeating it, but I don't believe the Dems are willing to throw the UE under the bus just to take a political stand.

[Warren Stupidity]

5. that is the fig leaf over the asshole of capitulationist corruption.

[BlueIris]

13. LOL. First laugh I've had all week. Thanks. nt

[Dulcinea]

15. Agreed.

The unemployed are the ones who stand to take the biggest hit if no bill passes. Neither party wants to be responsible for that.

I predict it will pass Friday the 17th, right before the session ends.

[craigmatic]

6. It'll pass once Oma add more pork and sweeteners to it for the dems.

[customerserviceguy]

9. And those things

will be the reason the Rethugs will bail on it, especially in the House.

We're headed for no bill this year, and will be at the mercy of what the Repukes will write in January, and the President's willingness to sign it.

[dkf]

7. Personally I am better off if we stop spending money

But for everyone who is struggling, this is badly needed. In all good conscience I can't help but support this.

[customerserviceguy]

8. It may or may not pass the Senate

but I don't think it will pass the House. I think we will see resistance from two groups, those who are not willing to sacrifice principle in the last days of their terms, and Rethugs who know that they can get something better next year.

The latter group will have a point, because the President will sign anything that they send him.

[yourout]

10. Sadly.....yes.

[wackywaggin]

11. Vote against it !!

Let the 2011Republican controlled congress vote this into law with Obama, not the Democrats. Wash our hands of the whole beckroom deal Obama made.

Heretic Wack!!

[defendandprotect]

12. Should be junked -- thrown back at the White House ... and hope for that ... but ...

actually think we have too many Dems in Congress who are more interested

in corporate backing that the public interest --

and they've obviously not worried about being voted out of office --

[Raine]

14. Unfortunately yes, they all have their marching orders nt

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[FrenchieCat]

16. George Lakoff on Pres Obama & "The Deal" -

The differences between Democratic progressives and the president over the tax deal the president has made with Republicans is being argued from a materialist perspective. That perspective is real. It matters who gets how much money and how our money is spent.

The progressives' economic policy arguments are sound: continuing reduced tax payments for the wealthy will not work as a serious economic stimulus and will greatly increase the deficit and make the economic picture worse. From a progressive moral perspective, it isn't fair; it increases an economic disparity that is already much too large.

The president's pragmatic incrementalist arguments seem reasonable from his perspective: He got more immediate money for the poor and middle class than he gave to the rich, and the poor and middle class need as much as possible now (pragmatism) and further incremental steps can be taken later (incrementalism).

Those are the materialist arguments among Democrats. I want to shift the frame to the major causal factor that is being ignored on both sides: the role of communication in shaping what Americans understand.
snip
Democrats need to unite behind a simple set of moral principles and to create an effective language to express them.

President Obama in his campaign expressed those principles simply,
as the basis of American democracy.
(1) Empathy -- Americans care about each other.
(2) Responsibility, both personal and social. We have to act on that care.
(3) The ethic of excellence. We have to make ourselves better so we can make our families, our communities, our country and the world better. Government has special missions: to protect and empower our citizens to have at least the necessities.

I don't know any Democrats who don't believe in these principles.
They need to be said out loud and repeated over and over.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-lakoff/untellable-truths_b_794832.html