Is it only me or does anyone else feel like these were not Obama's victories?

[jimlup]

Senate democrats, sure but I remain furious at Obama for the tax cut compromise. Am I all alone. Is everyone else just drinking the celebratory kool-aid and forgetting the tax deal. We're still screwed people.

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[Deep13]

2. START was Obama's victory and ending DADT is partly his and...

...partly Senate Ds (and Lieberman's) who refused to let it go. He still sold us out on the taxes.

[phleshdef]

3. They are his and their victories. He gets credit. Thems the breaks. You'll get over it.

[Scurrilous]

4. Tis the season...

...to remain furious!!1!

:P

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[justiceischeap]

13. My parents are currently, barely, living on SS and Medicare(caid)

My mom just asked to borrow a significant amount of money from me (that I didn't have) because they're already barely getting by.

[BrklynLiberal]

17. I am already there too...

No COLA increase for three years. Everything around me is going up in cost.

[Irishonly]

123. Same Here

Our medical costs are going to kill us this next year. Our Kaiser supplemental hasn't increased cost of coverage. Their co-pays are killing us. I had a silent heart attack and the copays suck. Every time I turn around there's another test ordered.

[gateley]

19. You know that for a fact? Don't give up. We may have just gotten a second

wind and realize that many of those bullies will back down (as they are wont to do) if we just stand pat.

And, I heard Randi Rhodes say it's Bush wanting to privatize SS that made so many Republicans turn against him and the Republicans. An illegal war? No problem-o, Touch my Social Security??? Get the fuck outta here.

So the pressure from the public may go a long way in saving it - but we'll just have to wait and see.

[BrklynLiberal]

27. I look forward to being pleasantly surprised

and I will mention that to my landlady....who wants her rent on the first of each month, no matter what.

[vaberella]

46. You don't know for sure but you were selling a meme as fact? ~sigh~

[Kaleva]

6. It just you and possibly a few others.

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[young but wise]

14. Hilarious.

[DevonRex]

8. *snort*

Try a LOT harder.

[mcar]

9. I'm celebrating the most successful Congress since FDR times

I don't like kool-aid, I use my brain to make my own decisions about whether something is good or bad.

These are Obama's victories, including the tax bill that helps millions of unemployed.

These are Pelosi's victories.

These are Reid' victories.

Can't we be happy about the incredible successes for one day before the complaining starts? Sheesh.

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[phleshdef]

22. Do you understand the meaning of the word "since"?

[mcar]

25. It's been in the news recently

so yes, I'm serious.

Do you accuse everyone you don't agree with of being on drugs? Nice.

Happy holidays to you too.

[Demeter]

10. I am very bitter about the hypocrisy

but with time, and the inevitability of time, you and I and several other clear-sighted people will be fully able to say "I told you so."

A sop to the true believers, a symbolic fig leaf on the economic and civil rights betrayal.

[Uzybone]

18. LOL

a pessimist will always be proven right someday. Thats why it is easy to be a nay sayer. The "I told you so" trophies don't reqiure any work or effort to earn.

[cottonseed]

11. Stay focused DU. Do No Credit Obama With Anything!

Hang tough my Democratic friends!

[JoePhilly]

29. whine whine whine ...

No matter what he does ... the gnashing of teeth continues for some.

Sadly predictable.

[jimlup]

50. I'm not saying that. I'd be happy to credit Obama and I do credit Obama but...

I just don't feel that we are getting what we paid for. We're getting window dressing and sugar but not substance. He didn't fight for health care, he didn't fight for financial reform and he didn't fight for repeal of the Bush tax cuts. I know, I know, you are all happy the compromises he got on Health Reform and Financial Reform. But I have to say that I am not.

I'll vote for Obama in 2012 if he needs my vote but I have lost my enthusiasm. Sorry, I just thought when he was elected and the democrats controlled both houses in ways that we have not and likely will not for decades that maybe we could get some real reform. We got some but it is mostly not substantive. I know that my GLBT friends are all happy about this and I'm happy for them but I don't think it is really that big of a deal really. It's the least we would have expected in 2008. I'm sorry, I'm not happy with the least.

[niceypoo]

92. The irony is

The republicans in congress folded at the slightest resistance (the thought of extra work). They are obviously pure bluster.

[jimlup]

97. You are indeed correct about that...

It could be a lesson for the future but mark my words - it won't be. And I'm truly sorry for us as a result.

[elizm]

12. Yes...you are all ALONE.

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[Skinner]

16. These victories belong to all of us.

Including President Obama.

[RockaFowler]

34. Ditto

This is a victory for the American People - including our President!!

[Scurrilous]

47. Yep.

:thumbsup:

[Divine Discontent]

83. took the words outta my mouth. What victories he has led in achieving with Speaker Pelosi and

Majority Leader Reid belong to every American. These successes are pleasant to see happen, to say the least... been a tough year.

[liberal N proud]

20. The President always gets credit for bills passed

Congress takes the heat for those which do not.

That is how Washington works.

Now you see why the Tax compromise was so important.

[elizm]

21. Without Obama's compromise, NONE of this would have gotten done...

If the Democrats had chosen instead to run out the clock on the 111th Congress fighting the Republicans (and losing) over the tax cuts, none of this would have happened. Thank God the Democrats in Congress listened to the President instead of the Progressive Democrats on the left who would have let the tax cuts expire if they got their way.

[BrklynLiberal]

24. .....

:rofl: :cry: :rofl: :cry: :rofl: :cry: :rofl: :cry: :rofl: :cry: :rofl: :cry: :rofl: :cry: :rofl: :cry: :rofl: :cry: :rofl: :cry: :rofl: :cry: :rofl: :cry: :rofl: :cry: :rofl: :cry:

[Mid_FL_voter]

26. None, zero, Zippo n/t

[jenmito]

31. It's only you...

and a few of your friends here who never give Obama credit for ANYTHING.

[elizm]

71. Hey, who the hell are you replying to???

[jenmito]

73. SORRY! I was reading (and agreeing with) YOUR post but meant to

reply to the OP who asked, "Is it only me?" SORRY again! :hi:

[elizm]

75. Good to know! :)

[ProudDad]

91. How about if they had been "Democrats"

starting in January of 2009... ???

I didn't expect it, and it didn't happen, but what if???

[jobycom]

23. Credit where it's due. That's the problem with classifying him based on a handful of actions.

Some people feel he has to be a saint or has to be a demon. He's just this guy, you know? When he gets it right, I'll cheer. When he gets it wrong, I'll complain. When he's been out of office for a few years, then I'll have an idea whether he was a good or bad or in-between president.

It is possible to feel like he was good on some things and bad on others. No one earns brownie points for loving or hating him for all eternity and thus coloring all his actions through that perspective.

[Tx4obama]

28. Today is a joyous day and I refuse to let anyone ruin it :)

1) President Obama signed the DADT repeal bill this morning - which he has worked towards since he promised to do so on the 2008 campaign trail.
2) The START Treaty has been ratified by the Senate - a great victory for President Obama who has been working for nuclear proliferation since his first year as U.S. Senator.
3) The Food Safety bill passed this week
4) The last minute passage of the 9/11 first responders bill is a great x-mas present for all of those heros that were involved in the response and clean up.

etc etc etc ...

There are so many GOOD things to be happy about today and many people to thank: President Obama, The Senate, The House, The Activists, and everyone else involved :)

[Milo_Bloom]

30. What "victories"????

We paid a trillion dollars in ransom money to get the most popular and easiest to pass legislation through.


Nothing passed that was the least bit "controversial" with the public or even among our representatives.

The vast majority of PEOPLE and REPRESENTATIVES wanted DADT repealed.

The vast majority of PEOPLE and REPRESENTATIVES wanted START ratified.

the vast majority of PEOPLE and REPRESENTATIVES wanted the first responders bill passed.


Victory? hardly.

[DevonRex]

32. What victories? LMAO. They were so easy, they were passed 10 years ago. Oh. Wait.

They weren't, were they?

[Milo_Bloom]

48. Yes, what victories?

They weren't up for votes 10 years ago.

The fact that we had to pay a trillion dolalrs in ransom to get nearly universally popular and accepted legislation through speaks volumes of how shallow a "victory" it is.

Do you REALLY believe these items wouldn't have passed? Even though the public OVERWHELMINGLY wanted them? Even though the representatives actually wanted them?

[yodermon]

53. Pyrrhic at best

[DemocratSinceBirth]

84. How Is

How is repealing DADT, passing START, and compensating ill 9-11 first responders pyhrric victories?

[Milo_Bloom]

101. Because of what they cost.

[DFab420]

33. Well I can say if it was just me and you

You would be alone.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. I Wish DU Had A Special Section For Those Who Continually Bash President Obama

I'm getting sick and tired of seeing it...

[Aramchek]

38. they do. it's called the graveyard.

it's only a matter of time with many of the haters.

[Aramchek]

36. it's just you, dude

[displacedvermoter]

43. No, that would mean that the OP was the only person to feel

this way, and clearly, from the responses alone, we see that you are wrong on this.

But you regularly say things like this -- ignoring what your eyes tell you just by reading all the responses -- that this person is the only person to feel this way. It apparently clashes with your world view that there are possibly consequences for all of these "compromises" that we are told are so critical to gain these "victories."

It had been a time of "victories", but people are legitimately asking "at what cost" and that is what this forum is about, correct? It being a Discussion Forum and all that!

[impik]

37. Yea, it's just you. You hate him so much, you can think straight anymore

[stevenleser]

39. I realize I am breaking the rules here, but What The Phoque is Wrong with You?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[jimlup]

44. Er eh, I prefer cake with icing rather than just sugar.

[mkultra]

102. and a glass of hateraid to wash it down

[jimlup]

103. No, actually not...

The hatred seems to be coming from your side. I never said anything of the sort. You're just making invalid assumptions and unwarranted generalizations.

[mkultra]

107. well, both sides hate, but your side isnt really welcome

because we come here to get away from your side.

[jimlup]

112. Wrong again

I support progressive principles and supported Obama until it became clear to me last year that he was seriously compromised by big money interests and also a weak leader. I'm going to vote for him in 2012 but I'm sorry to say he doesn't live up to the hype, he isn't even approximately come close.

You apparently want everyone to march in synchronization here. By the way, you are incredibly naive to use the avatar that you use. Chomsky is far far closer to my position than to yours. Just sayin'

[mkultra]

118. actually, i just think your here to disrupt

[jimlup]

120. I could say the same about you

You seem particularly weak in your ego structure though actually. I'm sorry... but my posts have all been well within the rules here.

[Sheepshank]

40. "Well, yeah but........"

I'm thinking you can stick that "but" in your pipe and smoke it elsewhere. The stench is stinking up the place.

[SidDithers]

41. ...

Sid

[stevenleser]

42. ROFLMAO!

:rofl:

[impik]

55. Heeeeeeeeeeeeee.

[vaberella]

45. Senate Dems passed the tax cut compromise, so it should be their failure?!

Your statement is full of shit. I understanding hating Obama, but your revisionist history is out of control.

[Milo_Bloom]

49. When you grossly overpay for something, it sure ain't a victory.

[vaberella]

56. Dude you're completely ignoring the point of my post.

Did you not read what the poster stated?! S/he stated that none of the legislative accomplishments of this Presidency are owned by the President but were accompolished by Congress. However, they state that the tax compromise is definitely owned by Obama, while in actuality---like all other legislative bill was passed by Congress.

So then it would have to be a failure of Congress. This is not mutually exclusive, however the poster claims it is and therefore Obama deserves no recognition for things he pushed that are hailed by the progressives. But all the blame for things they hate--which was the only way to pass something desperately needed for the coming year.

Further more, I'm not about to sit there and subscribe to the reaction conjecture that SS is going to get cut. Cause that's really the issue, and yet while everyone is writing they assume that's what's going to get ---there is no fact behind it. Further more, there is now sudden talks out of no where that it's actually Israeli funding that's getting cut by a large number. But that thread was snuffed out pretty quick by other posters---who just want to rag on the President on assumptions.

[Milo_Bloom]

57. The difference would be that congress was shut out of the compromise process.

However, I see no victories here no matter how you look at it.

[AtomicKitten]

51. dona eis requiem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgYEuJ5u1K0

[zipplewrath]

52. Look, it's only fair

When it happens on his watch, and he didn't particularly obstruct it, it is his accomplishment. I think it is only fair of course that when bills do fail, he gets partial blame as well. Many around here want to credit him with anything that is accomplished, but retain the expression "failure" for only the congress. There is an imbalance there that some might call hypocrisy.

It is notable that it did not pass in the matter that he set up, i.e. as part of the larger funding bill. None the less, I do think it has to be acknowledged that his allowing the military to conduct their bogus survey ultimately gave "space" for members of the GOP to pass this.

And it is hard to ignore that if he doesn't make the deal on taxes, this never gets a vote. I don't think that was particularly a good trade, but to some extent congress made that bed all on their own. The White House wanted these tax votes prior to elections. Congress punted, and lost anyway. All the times that gays were told to step aside for some greater electoral good, they probably deserved this one.

If one is going to hold him responsible for not getting Gitmo closed, then one has to give him credit for DADT being repealed. Otherwise, the reverse must be true. Gitmo ain't his fault, but he doesn't get credit for this. Which way do you want it?

[johnaries]

54. Did you see his comments in the news conference re: tax cuts?

"I share their frustration.... but 'compromise' means accepting some things you don't like."

Yes, these were his victories. They would not have been possible without the compromise. And remember, Republicans wanted PERMANENT cuts, but only got a 2-year extension.

[RBInMaine]

58. God, what a glass-half-empty sad sort you are. Please, take an anti-depressant.

[rury]

59. UNRECCED!

[lunatica]

60. So real historic accomplishments are kool-aid to you?

Nothing like insulting your fellows there.

[tritsofme]

61. Your entire argument is a non sequitur. Without the tax compromise, nothing else would have passed.

DADT, START, ect only passed because the tax cut and government funding issues were resolved first.

Republicans pledged to filibuster all other legislation in the lame duck, even if they otherwise supported it, until those two issues were resolved.

And by moving those items, Reid and Obama cleared the way for other priorities, as the clock ticks away on this Congress.

Compromise is part of the responsibilities that come with governing, and if you can't handle that, it is going to be a rough two years.

[southernyankeebelle]

62. Am upset about the tax break but its over we need to look forward.

[displacedvermoter]

64. Just like the Obama Administration has done on torture,

corruption and criminal incompetence in the Bush Administration?

[Pistarkle]

63. Only if you view the glass as half empty, I view it as half full...

On the First Day of Christmas Obama Gave to Me…

the most productive Lame Duck in history!
On the second day of Christmas Obama gave to me nuclear arms reduction in the START Treaty
On the third day of Christmas Obama gave to me the final days of DADT
On the fourth day of Christmas Obama gave to me health care for 9/11 first respondees
On the fifth day of Christmas Obama gave to me cuts for middle class tax payees
On the sixth day of Christmas Obama gave to me the extension of benefits for UNemployees
On the seventh day of Christmas Obama gave to me payroll tax cuts to boost the economy
On the eighth day of Christmas Obama gave to me job creation incentives for small business tax payees
On the ninth day of Christmas Obama gave to me increased Medicare coverage for senior retirees
On the tenth day of Christmas Obama gave to me preexisting condition coverage for the children of health insurance payees
On the eleventh day of Christmas Obama gave to me the ban on lifetime insurance caps by the health insurance industry
On the twelfth day of Christmas, Obama gave to me annual limit restrictions on the health insurance industry
Health Care Reform
Wall Street Reform
Food Safety Reform
Additional border security
Auto bailout payback
Blocking an economic depression
And the most productive Lame Duck in history!

[bigwillq]

65. They were victories for Obama

for Congress, for Democrats, for Americans. Yes, some weren't perfect, like the tax bill. I am against giving tax breaks to the rich, but it will extend unemployment benefits, which I strongly support. Yes, there was compromise, and yes, Congress acted too late, imo, to pass unemployment benefits separately, without them having to be passed along with tax breaks for the rich. But some of the things passed recently will help those who need it, hopefully. That's not a bad thing, imo.

[karynnj]

66. A President always credits credit for what passes

In you missed it, Bush gets huge credit for doing more to help deal with AIDS in Africa - in spite of the fact that this was legislation, that was first written by John Kerry and a SFRC staffer and was taken into a SFRC bill. Kerry got Frist to join him - and after Frist became majority leader a version of this effort was passed after Bush supported it.

He also got get for the first increase in CAFE standards - even though he and most Republicans didn't want it - it was negotiated by Snowe and Kerry.

Obama had a huge commitment on START. I assume that he got many of the endorsements (though many of the former Republican officials appeared before the SFRC.)

[Creative]

68. Obama is thinking in terms 2012...

All of this will be forgotten by then.

[Exilednight]

69. I give him a split card ......

DADT? Not His.
START? His.
Tax compromise? His.
HCR mandate? His.
Big Pharma deal? His.
9/11 Health Bill? Stewart's.


Look at that, he gets more credit than I thought.

[SpartanDem]

77. How is DADT not his?

He got the Pentagon to buy in, had the study done that sercured the votes. This thing didn't get 65 votes by accident

[vaberella]

80. Basically everything deemed wrong and shat upon on this site is His.

Everything else is not. In effect they think he's a crap President.

[Exilednight]

87. That's not true. The START treaty is a good treaty and I give him credit for that. n/t

[Exilednight]

86. I give credit on DADT to

those that lost the most during the fight. It was not Obama who lost a career he loved in the military because he was gay. I take the Howard Zinn approach towards history. Sometimes, and this is one of those times, the greatest heroes are those that sacrificed or had their rights trounced upon.

[Pisces]

70. It's only you.

[tomg]

72. I have major problems with

President Obama on a number of issues. But his victories ( and yes, particularly with DADT I know they are also many other people's victories) are well won and he deserves the credit. I am very glad to be able to say it. Of course, I am ticked about the tax deal. I think many of his negotiating skills are pretty weak. But these are victories. They are real. With that said, let's keep his feet to the fire. That is what he said he wanted. That is our job.

I am celebrating these victories. I am hoping for more. I am guarded. But these are real, and he did what he had to do. ( I still say screw bipartisanship, though)

[babylonsister]

74. It's you. And you're screwed because you won't get a tax cut?

:wtf: My glass is not only more than half full, it's overflowing. Sorry you can't see that.

[Ikonoklast]

76. It's you. I'm sure there are others that will denigrate this president.

But most of them got a pizza in the last week or so.

[krawhitham]

78. So blame him for everything and then never give him any credit?

amazing, wonder if he would get any respect if he was a white man?

[vaberella]

81. Interesting you should say this. My mother said President Obama would be the next David Dinkins. nt

[Greybnk48]

79. It's just you.

[avaistheone1]

82. Not just you.

I think these tax cuts are going to wind up biting us in the ass.

Too much was traded away for so little in return.



k&r


:kick:

[ZombieHorde]

85. Funny.

If something bad happens, blame President Obama; if something good happens, can't be President Obama.

[NYC Liberal]

88. And if DADT, START, and the 9/11 health bill had failed,

people hear would be screaming to the rooftops about how Obama bungled it and it's all his fault and now we'll never get them.

He gets all the blame when things go wrong, but none of the credit for the accomplishments.

[WiffenPoof]

89. I Completely Agree With You...

I was afraid to post anything because of all the celebrating that is going on.

-PLA

[ProudDad]

90. DADT was a good thing.

START was necessary to maintain the status-quo and give us a chance to survive the "nuclear age"...

The rest, fluff...

The tax sell-out -- piece of shit...

[Ikonoklast]

94. "Fluff"?

Your hatred for this president is clouding your mind.

[tnvoter]

93. it's just you. these are definitely Obama wins

if we didn't get them you would be blaming Obama for "losing" them.

[harun]

95. You are not alone.

[jimlup]

96. Thank you...

I know that most here will actually come back around once they get over their hangover and realize the situation we're in. I mean we knew we would be able to get both START accepted and DADT repelled. Frankly, if we had failed at either it would have been a MAJOR LOSS. AND THAT CAME DAMN CLOSE TO ACTUALLY HAPPENING under our dear leader. I'm just honestly frightened for our party and our people.

[ZombieHorde]

98. For many DUers, the situation is not black and white. For many of us, whether or not President

Obama is a good guy or a bad guy is irrelevant. What matters for many of us is the policies which are passed. Taxes and DADT are two very different policies; we can hold two different opinions on these policies without trying to figure out President Obama's D&D alignment.

[jimlup]

100. +1

[cherish44]

99. If they hadn't passed they would have been his failures

so yeah I think he deserves checks in the win column on these...

[Skittles]

104. at this point I'll take them

It might be all we get

But I'm impressed with the DADT repeal; I did not think that would happen during lame duck. The SS and tax cut and no jobs deals still SEVERELY SUCK.

[jimlup]

105. Yeah but just think for a moment if we hadn't gotten them.

Any of these would have been major losses. I'm not unhappy that these have passed. I'm concerned about our leadership. That is all.

[vaberella]

106. If none of these had passed you would have said he failed miserably as a leader.

And he didn't lead. Instead of saying that unfortunately all the other people involved were successful. The buck would stop with him and he would be the failure. Now he was able to do everything there seems to be a push to marginalize his role which has been dismissed by all in the know.

[displacedvermoter]

108. But everyone knows that it is Congress that passes laws!

Don't you know any civics?

[vaberella]

110. I'm fully aware of that Congress passes the law.

However, it's Obama who's been working tirelessly to get this done. After the tax bill failed twice because there was no votes to expire the tax cuts of the rich. Obama's staff wrote a tax compromise and then we have all these other votes---that are pushed and started by him in many ways. START for instance, we finally got the 9/11 one which Weiner was going crazy over (and I agreed) and Obama got it done. Congress was dragging it's feet on everything. However, from what Reid said he was basically living in the oval office other than in the house because he was in regular briefings with the President to get all this done. To suggest that Obama didn't do anything is almost, dare I say, grievous lie.

[craigmatic]

109. At the rate we're going people are happy for any win they can get.

The tax deal still sucks especially the part that cuts social security income.

[RichGirl]

111. My part in these victories is that I trusted Obama....

...I was patient and always positive even when I didn't agree with him...always gave him the benefit of the doubt. Always reminded myself that he was smarter than me and knew more about issues than I did. Those who did nothing but complain and tried to find fault with everything he did...deserve no credit AT ALL. The victories happened in spite of them. To be clear here...it's fine to disagree and express your opinion...but the nit picking, inserting your negative energy into every situation...that is never helpful.

[WiffenPoof]

113. I think that we...

need to remember that with regard to people's disappointment, it is less a matter of what he has "accomplished" and more about adherence to Dem principles. This is what has caused many to feel betrayed. It is such a fundamental issue with some that no amount of accomplishment is ever going to over-ride the feeling that they have been betrayed. I'm not saying that this is right or wrong, I just think it is not easy to shake that feeling.

-PLA

[MadMaddie]

114. Without President Obama's Agenda and his pushing

there would be no START and DADT would still be in place.

DADT, START, Lilly Ledbetter, Healthcare....all promoted by President Obama during his campaign. Yes, they are his accomplishments.

Put things in perspective.

The tax cuts to the 2% are for 2 years. (SHORT TERM)

DADT, START and all of the other accomplishments are long term. (LONG TERM)

I believe that certain people are unable and unwilling to admit that President Obama accomplished anything. I think that certain people have other issues other than what got accomplished. I say this because many still disrespect him and call him "Obama".

Who would you like to give the accomplishments to?

[Arkana]

115. And I'm sure all those millions of unemployed Americans who get to live for another 13 months agree.

:eyes:

[jimlup]

119. Er eh, I absolutely agree but that is fairly irrelevant to the Obama situation.

I'll say it. I'm sorry but I think Obama is a weak president. That doesn't mean that I don't support him. I do, but I'm concerned that he isn't taking the reigns and really driving the carriage.

[Hardrada]

116. Any more such victories and we are undone.

-King Pyrrhus

[Jakes Progress]

117. It goes like this.

When some liberal effort succeeds, Obama is the man. He did it. He and he alone pushed it through. By the sheer brilliance of his massive talent, he managed to win. Win, I tell you.

When we don't get decent HCR, or we give tax breaks for the rich, or fail to bring war criminals to court, or any of a number of campaign promises are blown, it is the lousy congress. I mean what can one man do?

To me if he gets credit for the DADT repeal, then he takes the blame for the crappy HCR bill. If he gets credit for START, then the take the blame for the tax extension and estate tax fiasco.

[BklnDem75]

121. Hilarious

You have it exactly opposite. When things don't work out, everything is his fault, including small things like not getting the Olympics. When things are great, he doesn't even get shared credit. Everything is the work of Congress. Can you give an example of Obama getting all the credit, because I can surely give you 10 examples of him getting all the blame. I won't hold my breath.

[Jakes Progress]

122. You completely missed the point.

As usual, in an effort to portray our president as a victim, his most ardent supporters only see enemies everywhere.

The point is that if the president gets the credit for repealing DADT, which he does on DU, then the should shoulder the blame for shortcomings in the progressive agenda. And for those who want to claim that the president is the cause of all progressive failure, they need to give him props when a progressive victory occurs. You myopically miss that part of the post and knee-jerked into ninja defense mode for the president.

Here is an example of the kind you say doesn't exist. For the record, my post says both kinds exist.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x576128

Want another? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x577153

Maybe one way over the top: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x575815

And what do you think the whole Rachel Maddow show and all the threads that followed were about.

Consistency would behoove both sides to give credit when due and accept blame where needed.