What Michael Vick did to dogs is bad enough

[mtnsnake]

but what Republicans have done in recent years to wild animals in this country is a million times worse, simply because of the scale of their atrocities.

President Clinton did many fine things for the environment during his two terms, putting a stop to much of the damage done by Reagan and Poppy Bush. Then the War Criminal Bush took over in 2000 and did his very best to allow the environment and our wild animals to be pillaged as much as possible. Only the efforts of Democrats such as Kerry saved our environment from going completely down the tubes under Bush, although Bush ended up doing some serious damage anyway.

President Obama then took over and reversed many of Bush's horrific environmental policies, doing some excellent things to once again protect what's left of our environment and our wildlife.

My point is that while he did a dumb thing in choosing Vick, the dog torturer, to be a poster boy for prisoners who deserve a second chance, Obama has done a great deal of good on behalf of wild animals in the environment.

[ProSense]

1. Michael Vick is boring, but

what does Vick, prisoners and the President's call have to do with environmental policy?

[lunatica]

2. Obama called the owner of the Eagles to congratulate him for the green new

stadium that was built. That was the reason for the call. Unfortunately in the DU explosion that fact has been buried for the most part.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/19/philadelphia-eagles-going-self-sufficient-on-stadium-energy-from/


Philadelphia Eagles going self-sufficient on stadium energy from 2011, 30 percent of it renewable

[ProSense]

5. Thanks,

still no connection to Vick and prisoners. Interesting about the stadium, though.

[lunatica]

8. In the course of the conversation

Obama said that although he condemns the actions of Vick with the dogs he wanted to thank the owner of the Eagles for hiring an ex-convict and giving him a second chance and that he hoped more businessmen would do the same. That was it. Obama didn't talk to Vick or praise him.

Obviously the crimes Vick committed are ones that will always be highly charged emotionally. We've seen that today.

[Safetykitten]

9. This was well planned. Obama was needed by the NFL. He is quite pliable.

[lunatica]

16. Needed? In what way?

Are you saying the NFL needs Obama in order to continue? Sorry, but hardly.

[martymar64]

17. Let me guess. Tax payers funded the stadium to be built and will fund this scam as well

Enough with throwing away taxpayer money to build stadiums for rich sociopaths to play in.

Make Lurie pay for all that shit out of his own pocket. Quit soaking taxpayers, ya dog killer lovin'douchebag!

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[mtnsnake]

12. Why does it bother you so much that I can like both Obama & the Clintons?

Does that answer your question?

[dionysus]

14. yes, but do you like both Obama, the Clintons, and...

Brewer and Shipley?

:evilgrin:

[RandomThoughts]

3. There is no reason not to give Bush and vick a second chance.

However you also have to give all the people in prisons across the states a second chance.

It is not a caring attempt to give someone a second chance, if it is only some friend in your group. That is two tiered justice.


The concept of 'second chance' and mercy is maligned and disrespected when given to some and not others for reasons other then compassion justice and mercy.

And I am thankful for mercy and grace also, and also that I can think that way about people some things try to get me to hate, but I not about to think it applies to some group more then some other. That is a claim that has nothing to do with mercy or compassion but about the self, although I understand how it is done.


It is the comment of the death penalty. If someone were to hurt your family would you then promote the death penalty, by going after the person doing it?

In the same way what if your family member was looking at a death sentence, would you help them more then a stranger?


In the first case you would hope someone would help you not be vengeful and that through justice it could be taken care of with proper compassion, the attachment close to you that they hurt would make it hard for you to do proper justice.

In the second example, you should hope someone prosecutes great wrong that you can not prosecute by your caring for that individual as a fellow family member.


And if all people are your brothers and sisters, then vengeance belongs to the Lord.

Although I also think it best for people to try to have a just and compassionate system as best they can, treating the poor and the rich, or connected with same justice, not targeted justice, and also thinking on mitigating effects with concept of education and mercy. To avoid vengeance also, since most readings of angry passages I have read are not about God being upset about people being less zealous to him, but about inequity of how the poor are treated.

Then again, they think life is all there is, so do not see any vengeance occur correctly, and then think that means their actions are correct. Maybe so, maybe not, but that is for a open transparent court to decide, which it has not done yet.

It is not that hard to understand.

[hlthe2b]

6. Bush has never faced his crimes... At least Vick faced justice...

So, yes... that is very hard to understand.

[mtnsnake]

7. I wouldn't give Bush a second chance even if he somehow served 5 life sentences for his war crimes

[lunatica]

10. Well since Bush should get life for his crimes there are no second chances there

To get anything less than life would be a travesty of justice when millions are maimed and dead because he had to have his wars.

[mtnsnake]

13. If only Bush had a conscience, then he'd be serving a life sentence outside of jail

but he has no conscience or soul. If only there was a way to have him incarcerated in a Turkish jail just like the one Billy Hayes from Midnight Express was in.

[awoke_in_2003]

18. "That is two tiered justice"...

which is exactly what this country has. I have a friend who spent a few years in the pen for selling marijuana. Vick spent a couple years for torturing and killing dogs. My friend is an now an ex-con who is not an athletic talent. Michael Vick is both. If you are a normal ex-con, you have a very hard time finding a good job- EVER. Vick's crime was much worse, yet he is worshipped every Sunday. If the Eagles go to the Super Bowl, it will be the first one I haven't watched in my life.

[bobburgster]

15. Go Obama...

thanking someone for giving an ex-con a second chance...rehabilitation....is a good thing.