LovinLife
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Wed Dec-16-09 01:41 AM
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| I think Reid and Obama wont use reconciliation because it will expose the Democratic Party |
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I think u could count out
Bayh Baucus Lincoln Pryor Landrieu Ben Nelson Bill Nelson
I'm sure I left out atleast 4 more. The problem is the Democratic Party. What is the use of getting a Republican to put a "D" by their name. They're still republicans.
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Wed Dec-16-09 02:40 AM
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| 1. I though Landrieu had finally bought in a week or two ago and was supporting the bill. |
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:08 AM
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| 2. She seems to only support it if other blue dogs and Lieberman are supporting it. NT |
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:32 PM
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| 12. I thought Landrieu made a $300 million deal to go with it. |
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Wed Dec-16-09 09:08 AM
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| 3. I think they wont use it because of the timetable. NT |
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Wed Dec-16-09 09:27 AM
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Wed Dec-16-09 09:49 AM
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| 7. November 2nd, 2010. (Election Day) NT |
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Wed Dec-16-09 09:12 AM
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| 4. They only need 50 + Biden, right? |
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I'm hopeful that they can get this bill through and THEN take some of the other aspects to reconciliation. But if they don't get this .... Well, I can see the writing on the media's wall and it ain't pretty. It will be all "OBAMA AND DEMS FAIL! WOOHOO!" 24/7. I think if this passes, they'll have to grudgingly admit some (not enough, but some) reform has come through.
Then I'm hoping the push to improve finds a path needing only 50+1, because this 60 BS has got to stop.
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Wed Dec-16-09 09:24 AM
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| 5. Unnnnn, we only need 51...even if you add in 3 more we still got reconciliation no? |
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Wed Dec-16-09 09:58 AM
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| 8. The problem with the Democrats is that we have a BIG tent |
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we have very liberal members, moderate members, & very conservative Democrats (the blue dogs) whereas the Republicans are ALL far right...
But i definitely think we have enough of senators on board to pass REAL health care not just a HBINO (Health Bill in Name Only) & thus we should use Reconcilation...We are letting the inmates run the prison by enabling 4 (Libermann, Nelson, Lincoln, & Landrieu) to override the 55 or so that would pass a bill w/a public option or at least a Medicare buy in...
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Wed Dec-16-09 12:32 PM
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| 9. Good. We'd know who to cut off funds to in the next primary, then. |
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Letting these poisonous backstabbers lie in wait to ruin everything even vaguely progressive is unacceptable.
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Wed Dec-16-09 12:33 PM
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| 10. Add Jim Webb (D-VA) to the list of Corporate Senators. |
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Wed Dec-16-09 12:34 PM
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| 11. Well at least you got the name of the party right this time. |
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:37 PM
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| 13. No, I thinnk theyt can win the 50 votes plus Biden if Obama put his reputation on the line |
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I think they hesitate because with only 50 votes needed they can't feel sure that the bill that comes out won't be more progressive than they originally wanted it to be - they will lose their leverage to keep Liberals in line if they can't argue that they have to please Baucus and Lincoln etc. or get nothing at all.
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