Is President Obama a Democrat?

[ProSense]

Why would anyone in their right mind would consider President Obama a Democrat? He's to the right of Nixon, right?

Doesn't he love Wall Street?

Aren't his policies RW?

Hasn't he proven he has no values?

Doesn't this non-fighter of a President make his predecessors, Republican or Democrat (Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush), look like Che Guevara?

Is he really a Democrat?

[bitchkitty]

1. Oh, please.

Even I think this is flame bait.

I don't like him either but face it, any President we get is going to be employed by the Corporate States of America, not us.

[ProSense]

9. You know

"Even I think this is flame bait.

I don't like him either but face it"

...I think you missed the sarcasm, but there is no "either" because I actually like the President and think he's one of the best Democratic Presidents ever!

[rug]

15. Self parody is not sarcasm.

[bitchkitty]

18. No sarcasm tag.

I don't know you, so don't know your brand of humor. Sorry hon.

Regardless, though, it's still flame bait, just aimed at different people. Nice going. I'll refrain from posting a rebuttal, sarcastic or otherwise, since anyone who is actually awake knows that calling Obama "one of the best Democratic Presidents ever!" is a sure sign that they have no fucking idea what a Democrat is supposed to stand for.

[Pholus]

26. Just a sign that there are establishment democrats and real democrats.

Cenk's quote about what Griffin told him proves the point. Insiders and outsiders.

Explains a lot about the factional "wars" on DU right now.

[polmaven]

59. Please explain exactly

how far to the left one has to be before s/he can be called a "real" Democrat. It has always been my impression that, unlike Republicans, "real" Democrats had a very wide range and a big tent. I was not aware that we had to adhere to strict far left principles to be considered "real" Democrats. I thought that is what set us aside from the Republicans.

[ProSense]

47. Well,

"I don't know you, so don't know your brand of humor. Sorry hon."

...I don't know you either "hon."

"Regardless, though, it's still flame bait, just aimed at different people. Nice going. I'll refrain from posting a rebuttal, sarcastic or otherwise, since anyone who is actually awake knows that calling Obama "one of the best Democratic Presidents ever!" is a sure sign that they have no fucking idea what a Democrat is supposed to stand for."

Biden: Obama has best record since FDR

[bitchkitty]

52. Biden? LOL n/t

[ProSense]

55. I know,

he has "no fucking idea what a Democrat is supposed to stand for."

[Dawgs]

57. Right, what other reason would Biden have to praise his boss. Hmm...

:eyes:

[ProSense]

61. Let me guess

Biden secretly thinks Obama is a Republican!!!

[Cherchez la Femme]

77. Oh, well, if BIDEN said so... no problem!

:LOL:

[polmaven]

63. Why don't you tell us

what a Democrat is supposed to stand for. Gotta know, see, cause when the DNC people come with the pledge, I want to know what I am signing.

[catgirl]

115. I guess you know better than everyone

You need new sources. How about trying someone who actually has knowledge of politics. Lots of room
to grow and learn.

[Vanje]

121. SElf-admitted Flame-bait. .

Disruptive intent.
Why is this thread even here?
Why is this poster even here?

[Taverner]

85. Did you follow the links?

Follow the links, and then come back and say sorry...

[tekisui]

2. Down a rabbit hole of links. Does every link go to a DU post of yours of more links?

Can you summarize the points you are trying to make?

[tekisui]

4. No joke, following the first availible link each time, takes 4 tabs

to get to an actual article. Seriously, this is ridiculous.

[locahungaria]

6. Hmmm.....

It kind of makes you wonder exactly why a poster would want folks to continually click onto their own posts?

Just to follow the rabbit?

Strange indeed.

[ProSense]

17. Yeah,

why on earth would anyone do that unless it's to an anti-Obama post?

It's simply bizarre to link to a positive post about the President, especially ones that smack down the meme that he's a RW tool.

[tekisui]

20. But, you linked to links of links of a link to a link of a story from

a while ago. Can't you just use your own words to say what it is you are trying to say? No one wants to follow that stupid trail you laid out.

[ProSense]

24. Wait

"Can't you just use your own words to say what it is you are trying to say? "

...whose words are these? Are they invisible?

"But, you linked to links of links of a link to a link..."

Can you make a point that doesn't involve using the word "link"?

[Name removed]

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[ProSense]

33. Hmmmm?

"Holy shit! Did you just link to this fucking thread?"

Yes, and a love the reaction.

:rofl:

[locahungaria]

29. So why not simply link to your articles......

instead of leading folks from link to link to link as the above poster mentioned?

Nothing bizarre in itself about a positive presidential post.....

Just sayin'.

[ProSense]

34. Here:

Why would anyone in their right mind would consider President Obama a Democrat? He's to the right of Nixon, right?

Doesn't he love Wall Street?

Aren't his policies RW?

Hasn't he proven he has no values?

Doesn't this non-fighter of a President make his predecessors, Republican or Democrat (Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush), look like Che Guevara?

Is he really a Democrat?

..............................

Is that better? Will it stop the obssessive discusion about links?

[locahungaria]

37. Here.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=716461&mesg_id=716517

[ProSense]

40. What?

Evidently, the links to the actual articles aren't acceptable either.

:rofl:

[Armstead]

43. No...Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=716461&mesg_id=716528

[Vanje]

122. Its not working, Prosense

You're just way too clever for us, I guess.

[chowder66]

80. I respect the hell out of you Prosense. Thank you. nt

[QC]

7. It always makes me think of those Russian dolls.

[rug]

10. And the further you go, the smaller it gets.

At the end of it, there's nothing.

[ProSense]

12. Here's an idea:

start a thread about links!

:rofl:

[rug]

14. Now that would be a callout, wouldn't it.

Nice identity you've created.

[Cali_Democrat]

75. LOL

[ProSense]

11. Thanks.

You win for making the first reference to "links."

Congratulations!

"Can you summarize the points you are trying to make?"

No, read and form your own opinion.

[tekisui]

13. Do you have an opinion? I can't tell.

I would be much more interested in your posts if you articulated an actual argument or opinion. The set-up you prefer appears more like talking points put out by a PR arm of the WH. It comes across as propaganda.

Try using your own words, it would be much more effective.

[ProSense]

28. Hmmm?

"I would be much more interested in your posts if you articulated an actual argument or opinion."

Yeah, the nearly half dozen comments you've posted clearly shows a lack of interest!!!!

:rofl:

[Bobbie Jo]

98. ROFL

:rofl:

[Vanje]

123. Your meaning would be clearer...

if you used a lot more exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[polmaven]

67. I'm beginning to think

"links" is the new..... :hide: LIST....

[Palmer Eldritch]

73. The point is that those who say Obama is worse than Bush or NIxon or is a Repig in disguise

are completely and utterly full of shit.

[Leontius]

93. I don't say any of those things but after his betrayal of Social

Security I do say he's no Democrat.

[Ignis]

81. It looks like poor Tekisui pointed out the unmentionable.

RIP.

[Zenlitened]

84. Unreal.

:wow:

[Vanje]

124. No way

No fucking way!
The original OP trolls a bunch of really stupid , insulting flame-bait, and snares the most thoughtful on DU?

Fuck that.
Great job ProSense. Do you collect a bonus now?

[leeroysphitz]

3. Republocrat. Face it Walter Mondale he AIN'T. n/t

[NYCGirl]

39. Thank God. Lovely man, good Democrat, but…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ElectoralCollege1984.svg

[Vinca]

5. He's as much a Democrat as most of the "Gang of Six."

[Vanje]

125. He's as much a Democrat as Geithner.

He's as much a Democrat as Robert Gates.

AS much as that ass, Ken Salazar.

[MatthewStLouis]

8. He seems like another corpratist leaning democrat like Clinton.

I'd never say there's no difference between him and a republican; that is ridiculous.

[Dawgs]

16. You're going to have to do a lot better than that if you want to prove he's a Democrat.

For one, I notice you don't mention anything about the multiple wars we're still fighting.

[ProSense]

19. And

LBJ, the RW tool, would have been impeached for Vietnam.

Obama is ending the Iraq war and has started the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Consider it mentioned!!!

[Name removed]

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[ProSense]

23. "Two lies."

Non-fact!

[tekisui]

27. Obama guaranteed the Afghanistan war will go on for at least 3 more years.

Not a withdrawal, a drawdown at best. And, while the meager drawdon has started (650 of 100,000) the private contractors numbers are staying high, and perhaps growing.

Iraq still has around 46,000 troops (that engage in combat) and negotiations are ongoing to figure out how to keep 10,000 or so in the country. There will be a deal made that will keep some troops in Iraq, even if the majority are private contract 'trainers'. Setting that to the side, the State Dept. will keep 17,000+ including their own private army with its own air force.

The statement that Obama is ending the war in Iraq and withdrawing from Afghanistan are not true.

[ProSense]

31. "Not a withdrawal, a drawdown at best."

Is that a "drawdown" to an end or a beginning?

[tekisui]

32. Neither. Why did you ignore the rest?

[ProSense]

35. Neither?

So if the drawdown continues the war isn't going to come to an end?

Is there an unlimited number of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Is this a new math?

[tekisui]

36. A drawdown is a reduction in force.

It is not necessarily a beginning of the end. It is simply a lower number. The Afghanistan war will continue for at least 3 more years. There is no reason to think it will end then, either.

You still aren't addressing the other points.

In Iraq, our troops still engage in combat, even though they are 'non-combat' troops. And negotiations are ongoing to find a way for us to remain in some capacity in addition to what is a State Dept occupation with its own private army and air force.

[ProSense]

38. "It is not necessarily a beginning of the end. It is simply a lower number." Can

you answer the question: If the drawdown continues will the war come to an end?

[Dawgs]

45. A drawdown can continue and still not end for a decade.

Is that what some DUers consider a Democrat position now?

[ProSense]

48. Will it eventually end?

Is speculation the new math?

[tekisui]

49. Can you address my points?

To answer yours, a drawdown is a reduction in troops on the ground. We have had one, with a couple more promised to drawdown to 70,000 (twice the number when Obama took office) by September of 2012. From there he has promised over 2 more years of war. No future drawdowns are specified, and there is nothing to suggest that the war will end while Obama is still in office.

[ProSense]

51. "To answer yours,"

You didn't.

Yes or no: If the drawdown continues will the war come to an end?

[tekisui]

60. It isn't a yes or no question. I can see, and undertand, your

apprehension or inability to engage in good faith discussion. Your refusal to address my points, while harping on a question that I answered shows that you are not interested in an honest debate.

The last thing I will say to you is that no, a continued drawdown will not necessarily end the war, and certainly not necessarily on Obama's watch.

I will now leave you and your disingenuous 'discussion' to this thread. Have a good day.:hi:

[ProSense]

65. Yes it is:

If the drawdown continues will the war come to an end?

Yes or no?

[Dawgs]

44. A Democrat would have started to end them both immediately.

Moving some troops from Iraq to Afganistan is still keeping both wars alive.

[ProSense]

50. A Democrat

would never have campaigned on adding troops and would never have won on that pledge.

I see moving goal posts.

[Dawgs]

56. What are implying?

As long as the candidate with (D) next to their name wins it makes those positions Democratic because they won?

What about ending the war in Iraq, and not fighting 'dumb wars' like Afghanistan. Did the candidate campaign on those things, or just the opposite?

[ProSense]

64. I see

"What about ending the war in Iraq, and not fighting 'dumb wars' like Afghanistan. Did the candidate campaign on those things, or just the opposite?"

...you're going to ignore that the Iraq war is ending and that he campaigned on adding troops to Afghanistan.

[sad sally]

82. Candidate Obama said Iraq was the wrong war; however, he's now

leaning toward the idea of leaving a substantial number of troops there (numbers of 10,000 to 40,000 have been thrown out) and seems to like the idea of nudging Maliki to accept this. Leon Panetta, President Barack Obama’s choice to head the Pentagon, predicted that Iraq will ask the United States to keep some American forces in that country beyond year’s end, the current departure date.

After the latest violence in Iraq, Panetta said he expected Baghdad to ask for U.S. troops to stay beyond their scheduled Dec. 31 departure.

Panetta has undoubtedly consulted with the President on this matter and is echoing the President's wishes.

Originally, the withdrawal plan called for about 700 troops to stay in support of the State Department.

The State Department got billions more in their budget for a 5,500 strong private army to protect them, so why the need for tens of thousands of US forces? Seems feasible this continued occupation will gin up new civil wars in Iraq and the US will continue to fight the forever wars.

The United States has lost more than 4,400 lives in Iraq, with more than 32,000 wounded, it has cost billions of dollars. Guess Iraq is now one of Obama's right wars?

[jefferson_dem]

54. Were you not paying attention during the campaign when he promised to do just that...

And you were supporting his candidacy?

[Dawgs]

62. I did. But, promises by a candidate don't suddenly make them Democratic policies.

I know you want to think they do.

[grahamhgreen]

70. LBJ decided not to run for a second term, for one, because he failed in Vietnam.

[jefferson_dem]

42. Seriously?

You are challenging the truism that he's a "Democrat"? The shit just gets more :crazy: by the hour.

[Dawgs]

46. Seriously. It means more than just having a (D) next to your name. n/t

[jefferson_dem]

53. So the fact that he claims the "D", gains support from 80%+ of rank-in-file Democrats...

and his policies are supported virtually unanimously by all elected Democrats and opposed virtually unanimously by all elected Republicans...means nothing.

Please. This is just silly.

Continue to oppose anything and everything Obama if you choose ... but your argument here is simply inane, and only serves to discredit any valid points you strive to make.

[Dawgs]

58. Support does not make him a Democrat.

And, I don't oppose everything he does. But thanks for falling back on the last arguments of the cheerleaders when you're unable to prove your point.

[jefferson_dem]

66. I have no point to prove.

The burden is on you to show how your claim that Obama is not a Democrat is anything but fantasy-based inanity.

You say "support (from the vast public and the universe of elected officials) does not make him a Democrat" ... but your solitary opposition makes him *not* a Democrat.

Goodness... Perhaps we should all go through life telling others what they are or are not based on our narrow worldviews.

[Dawgs]

72. Bullshit. Why are his approval numbers at 80% among Democrats?

Is it because he's better than the Republicans? Is it because they agree with most of what he's done?

My point is that support does not make his positions Democratic. Spinning won't change that.

[Palmer Eldritch]

74. Especially to those who have abandoned the Democratic Party for greener pastures.

[Wait Wut]

21. I personally love your links.

You save me so much of my valuable free time by providing links I might otherwise have missed. I've bookmarked several of them in anticipation of the upcoming campaign (and reelection) of our President.

And, yes...he is really a Democrat. The same Democrat I supported and voted for.

Thanks for all your hard work, ProSense!!!

:patriot:

[ProSense]

25. Thanks.

:)

[jefferson_dem]

41. Great post.

Not that it takes documentation to knock down the "Obama is not a real Democrat" tripe... But thanks!

[ZombieHorde]

68. In my opinion, the President defines his (and someday her) political party.

President Bush represented the Republicans; President Obama represents the Democrats.

[grahamhgreen]

69. Would a Democrat steal from Social Security in order to have pointless wars in the Middle East? Or

for tax cuts for the ultra-rich?

But thanks for hanging in there... when he loses you, I know the game is up!

[RoadRage]

71. Seriously?

Waaaaaaaaa.. I don't like everything the president has done, so i'm going to insinuate he's NOT a democrat.

If you want to see what "NOT A DEMOCRAT" looks like - see Bachman, Palin, Cain, et. all.

[Hand_With_Eyes]

76. He is a republcians wet dream

[JTFrog]

78. K&R

[WiffenPoof]

79. I'm Of The Belief...

...that the divide in our party is largely one of demographics (age in particular).

Anyone under thirty has never actually experienced a "true" Democrat in the Oval Office. This is of course, not their fault. This leads me to believe that those who have not had any experience with a true Dem, have lowered the bar of what it means to be a loyal party member.

We all know that the move to the right is not just among conservatives. The shift has effected everyone's beliefs of what it means to be a Democrat or a Republican. Heck, my daughter thinks that Obama is the greatest President in history and does not want to hear any criticism from me about how he does not represent traditional Dem principles.

I venture to say that if a poll were taken at DU of those that are enthusiastic Obama supporters and those that find his policies to be less than Democratic...we would find that the huge supporters and ardent defenders of our President are somewhat younger than those of us who are critics.

I don't know if this is allowed...but I would be curious to know what age group the OP belongs. Would he/she be willing to reveal that? Is he/she an exception to the belief stated above? Would we get an honest answer?

No attack...just curious.

Me...I'm 58 and a proud FDR Democrat.

-P

[Mimosa]

83. ^ Same here, Whiffenpoof ^

Same age and orientation. Heck, Eisenhower was more liberal than most of today's Dems. And many were just born when JFK was president. They have no memory of what real Dems were.

[Taverner]

86. For the sake of your post, I suggest you put small clips from the links next to them

They aren't getting that you're being sarcastic

[Enrique]

87. yes, and so is Ben Nelson n/t

[polichick]

88. He might be a registered Dem, but if he agrees to cuts in SS he's also an asshole.

[ClarkUSA]

89. Pres. Obama has explicitly come out against cutting Medicare & SS benefits.

He wants to cut Medicare costs and fraud, however, as he explained in his SOTU. Nothing wrong with that.

[polichick]

91. We'll see - he's playing Russian roulette with the safety net. Fuck him for that.

[ClarkUSA]

94. Do you have any facts to back up your graceless hyperbolic invective?

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[ClarkUSA]

99. "traitorous"? Pres. Obama isn't DINO DLC Bill Clinton, you know.

Bubba wanted to cut SS and Medicare so badly he entered into secret plotting with Newt Gingrich to make it happen.

"The Pact Between Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich" (May 29, 2008, USA Today):
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2008/05/29/the-pact-between-bill-clinton-and-newt-gingrich

[polichick]

100. DLC, New Dem, Republican - same difference.

[ClarkUSA]

101. Then you admit President Obama is different? Because he rejected the DLC, much to their dismay.

“I am not currently, nor have I ever been, a member of the DLC,” said Obama, in a statement that substantially reflects a telephone conversation with Associate Editor Bruce Dixon, this weekend.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/48/48_cover.html

Ben Smith of Politico knows this fact:

"The DLC sought for a time to identify itself with Obama's message and his campaign, but found itself relatively unwelcome there and the final move cements its place as a central force in Clintonism and the Clinton historical record."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0711/DLC_records_to_Clinton_Foundation.html

[polichick]

102. It's delusional to think there's a significant difference between DLC and New Dem.

[ClarkUSA]

103. There isn't, which makes President Obama's rejection of the DLC that more meaningful.

“I am not currently, nor have I ever been, a member of the DLC,” said Obama, in a statement that substantially reflects a telephone conversation with Associate Editor Bruce Dixon, this weekend.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/48/48_cover.html

Ben Smith of Politico knows this fact:

"The DLC sought for a time to identify itself with Obama's message and his campaign, but found itself relatively unwelcome there and the final move cements its place as a central force in Clintonism and the Clinton historical record."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0711/DLC_records_to_Clinton_Foundation.html

[polichick]

104. Too bad he's New Dem.

[ClarkUSA]

105. That's a false meme, which I have already debunked. Once again, here's substantive proof he isn't ->

“I am not currently, nor have I ever been, a member of the DLC,” said Obama, in a statement that substantially reflects a telephone conversation with Associate Editor Bruce Dixon, this weekend.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/48/48_cover.html

Ben Smith of Politico knows this fact:

"The DLC sought for a time to identify itself with Obama's message and his campaign, but found itself relatively unwelcome there and the final move cements its place as a central force in Clintonism and the Clinton historical record."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0711/DLC_records_to_Clinton_Foundation.html

Why do you ignore the facts?

[polichick]

106. That says "DLC" - as you well know. Give it up - your fantasy is ridiculous.

[ClarkUSA]

107. lol! You said, "It's delusional to think there's a significant difference between DLC and New Dem."

Are you feeling feverish as well as very frustrated? :rofl:

“I am not currently, nor have I ever been, a member of the DLC,” said Obama, in a statement that substantially reflects a telephone conversation with Associate Editor Bruce Dixon, this weekend.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/48/48_cover.html

Ben Smith of Politico knows this fact:

"The DLC sought for a time to identify itself with Obama's message and his campaign, but found itself relatively unwelcome there and the final move cements its place as a central force in Clintonism and the Clinton historical record."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0711/DLC_records_to_Clinton_Foundation.html

Why do you ignore the facts?

[polichick]

108. I see you deleted the part about proof - guess you've seen it. Nice try.

[ClarkUSA]

109. Ignoring what you just said? Okay, speaking of fantasy, where's proof of your claim?

[polichick]

110. It's been posted dozens of times - google it yourself.

[ClarkUSA]

111. You have no credible proof that can match up with what I have shown you? I didn't think so.

“I am not currently, nor have I ever been, a member of the DLC,” said Obama, in a statement that substantially reflects a telephone conversation with Associate Editor Bruce Dixon, this weekend.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/48/48_cover.html

Ben Smith of Politico knows this fact:

"The DLC sought for a time to identify itself with Obama's message and his campaign, but found itself relatively unwelcome there and the final move cements its place as a central force in Clintonism and the Clinton historical record."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0711/DLC_records_to_Clinton_Foundation.html

Why do you ignore the facts?

Remember your own wise words to me? You said:

"It's delusional to think there's a significant difference between DLC and New Dem."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=716461&mesg_id=717663

Give it up -- your fantasy is what's ridiculous.

[craigmatic]

90. Yes he's a democrat but he's not a liberal or a movement liberal.

[ClarkUSA]

92. He's the most liberal President in decades. His legislative and voting history prove this fact.

Even Frank Rich in his recent scathing op-ed admitted this fact. Of course, your subjective opinion obviously differs, which is predictable.

[craigmatic]

112. Actually I have a theory.

I think his governing style is to defer to congress so when congress was occupied by liberal democrats he moved to the left and now that these hardcore conservatives have it he's moved to the right. I don't think there's any clear ideology there with Obama to tell you the truth.

[ClarkUSA]

114. That's an hypothesis, not a theory. And I disagree.

President Obama, as has been noted by those who know him, has far more liberal intentions than he can possibly achieve with the Congress he has been dealt. Even with the Pelosi Congress, only six Senators voted to fund the closing of Gitmo. So much for "liberal democrats".

[Creideiki]

113. FLYPAPER!!!! /nt

[Vanje]

126. Yes.ProSense is transparently trolling

ProSense is baiting with flame.
ProSense is disrupting.

[Warren Stupidity]

116. Excellent link formatting!

Very impressive editing skills.

[boomerbust]

117. I would call him

A Black and Blue Dog Democrat. And a big fucking disappointment!

[krabigirl]

118. Yes and no, a corporate, war-loving republicrat similar to Romney and other "moderates."

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[Vanje]

120. This is called trolling. nt