Anyone know of a place I can go to support replacing this Obama?

[babsbunny]

Naomi Klein, native protesters arrested at White House pipeline protest

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/article/42864--naomi-klein-native-protesters-arrested-at-white-house-pipeline-protest

By Lee-Anne Goodman, The Canadian Press | September 02, 2011

WASHINGTON - A Canadian native protester and social activist Naomi Klein were among dozens arrested Friday outside the White House near the end of a two-week civil disobedience campaign aimed at pressuring U.S. President Barack Obama to block TransCanada's proposed Keystone XL pipeline.

Klein was arrested alongside fellow Canadian Gitz Deranger, from the Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation, and several American native leaders on Day 13 of the protest.

"I have seen the devastation of our environment and people's health with increased cancer deaths," Deranger said before his arrest. "If Obama approves this pipeline, it would only lead to more of our people needlessly dying."

Bill Erasmus, chief of the Dene First Nation in the Northwest Territories, was there to lend support to those who were hauled off to D.C. police headquarters in armoured vans in the dying hours of a protest that has resulted in the arrests of more than 1,000 people.

[frazzled]

1. Republican Party Headquarters

Have fun with it.

[Fearless]

2. That's really not helpful.

[frazzled]

11. But it is a cold, hard fact.

So deal with it or stay home. There will be no primary opponent. There will be no viable progressive third party candidate (only a potential spoiler). The only choice will be the Republican. You do the math.

[Fearless]

16. Obama or otherwise, you are right... the only choice will be a Republican.

[MissDeeds]

17. I'm afraid you're right

If no primary challenger comes forward, we're faced with two Republicans in the race. It's amazing that this is okay with so many "Dems".

:grr:

[frazzled]

22. That kind of equivalency is the juvenile nonsense that ...

rejected Gore. (I recall vividly how many on the left excoriated Gore's environmental creds--saying he'd sold out the Everglades!). So you had eight years of GWB. No difference there, eh.

If you want to play the "there's no difference between the Democrat and the Republican" game, it's gonna be even worse next time.

[Fearless]

26. Comparing then and now is disingenuous.

I said nothing of Gore.

[coalition_unwilling]

42. Um, no one held a gun to Gore's head and forced him to

concede in 2000. Gore's concession thus pre-figures and sets the template for Obama's constant capitulation and appeasement of the fascists.

It will be worse next time, much worse, like 25% unemmployment and 60% of population on food stamps worse.

[Sheepshank]

46. In what way did Gore concede?

The votes were recounted and went to the Supreme Court?

At least that was my recollection.

[coalition_unwilling]

47. After the case Bush v. Gore reached the SCOTUS and it decided

that the votes counts should be frozen in place, Gore said he would no longer stand in the way of the process moving forward, meaning Katharine Harris certified Florida's electoral votes to the Electoral College.

Now Gore could have said "FU" to the SCOTUS and gone about assembling his own transition team. This would have forced Clinton's White House to send the U.S. Department of Justice down to Florida (with the 102nd Airborne backing them up) to make sure all the ballots were counted.

Instead, a decent man surrendered to a fascist and now we are where we are.

[TheBigotBasher]

51. Lol, you will not get unemployment

or food stamps. There will be no "ponzi schemes" for the poor.

[Sheepshank]

44. Exactly...every Rep is running on reversing HCR even in it's embryonic stages.

Pre-existing conditions will be slapped onto 100,000's of people, as a deniable offense.

That's just one difference you can count on.

To say D & R are the same is the most ludicrous propaganda meme put out there.

[tblue]

74. How do we know what Obama will be like in his 2nd term?

Seriously. He's kinda ac/dc. More ac, actually.

[Vanje]

Its going to be Republican no matter who wins 2012.

All of the current candidates are republicans, regardless of stated party affiliation.

[tblue]

75. HAHAHA!

Sad though, huhhhh?

[Vanje]

23. Dupe. Sorry

[CakeGrrl]

36. What a bullshit comparison.

You'll KNOW the difference once the GOP takes the WH and rolls back the accomplishments this Adminiostration has managed against nasty opposition - and THEN goes to work finishing off the middle class for certain.

Some people indulge in pretending this administration has done nothing of significance for Progressive/Liberal causes, so apparently it'll take the TRUE Republicans undoing everything and then some before it gets through to some people.

[Fearless]

38. You mean like the liberal programs Obama is rolling back...

The EPA, offshore drilling, free trade, education... all of these programs are TRUE Republican programs. Then you have things like the heath care bill, the debt ceiling, and the oil pipeline, all of which are corporatist... in favor of corporations over people. Those are his two leanings.


Tell me what of significance he has done in a liberal way?

[babsbunny]

4. What do you do when you can't stand to look or listen to the President who gave you such hope?

I want someone else. I need to find a place that agrees and I will support that! he is not the President I worked for to elect!

[ClarkUSA]

7. Are you saying you won't be supporting this Democratic incumbent president's re-election?

[Vanje]

24. Fly paper

Be careful

[Skittles]

33. DEMOCRATIC?

[SwampG8r]

37. yeah because it is important to toe

a party line right?otherwise we get third party douchebags who fuck up the chances for decent people to be represented by someone who agrees with them and here on DU we get people defending GOP 3rd party puppet candidates at the expense of democratic candidates who have actually won the primary
i think people who do stuff like that should be tossed right the hell outta here
they make me want to vomit

[RetroLounge]

39. Democratic incumbent president?

:rofl:

RL

[dionysus]

31. the melodrama.

[tblue]

76. If you find out, please tell me.

That's where I'm at, too.

[babsbunny]

8. So, it looks like Obama is the one? We will not win!

Something is really wrong here! And Obama is not doing what he promised. Yes, let's do it again.

[jefferson_dem]

41. No shit.

Be gone. So sick of all the fucking whining!

[tblue]

72. Obama's pretty nearly there already.

You just can't see it.

[bluestateguy]

3. The RNC and your local tea party organizations will be happy to help

Of course, they will also approve the pipeline (and drilling in ANWR), but you will be rid of Obama as you wish.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

5. 1-800-Lee-Mercer

[treestar]

6. If Canadian, why don't they protest in Ottawa?

[Armstead]

10. Yes, that naomi Klein is a horrible person. She should be drawn and quartered.

(sarcasm)

[TwilightGardener]

13. In all seriousness, though--why didn't Canadians stop this whole oil sands thing?

[Armstead]

15. I don;t know enough about Canadian politics to say. But I will say that....

...someone who has proven to be as committed and courageous and tireless in the fight to advance progressive values globally, and worked as hard to expose and oppose the tyranny of the corporate oligarchs as Naomi Klein has been over the years can protest anywhere she wants, as far as I am concerned.

[treestar]

28. Exactly, one would think it was all the President's doing, yet

it must involve Canada too in some way. Yet we hear nothing of that!

[Armstead]

64. No YOU would think it is all about Obama.

It has been a long process. It now involves Obama because the issue is now reaching his desk. But those who have been involved in this issue recognizer this is one of the steps in an issue they have long been involved against.

It is only people who think that this project is only about Obama who are being obsessive.

[HappyCynic]

29. Conservatives in power

Alberta, where the tar sands are, is a very conservative province - politically, the Canadian equivalent to the southern US states. The Conservatives also have a majority federally. So, politically, it's conservatives all along the legislative path for anything dealing with the tar sands.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

32. Oh come on now don't you know

Canadians are our little brothers and can't think for themselves.

:sarcasm:

[treestar]

27. Why doesn't she protest where her vote counts?

The false appeal to pity is a FAIL.

[RetroLounge]

40. Oh, did she embarrass your little centrist?

:puke:

RL

[treestar]

50. Irrelevance fail.

Why wouldn't a Canadian be after the Canadian government's hand in this?

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[the other one]

9. Kucinich 2016 Campaign

Never to early to prepare to replace Obama.

But he's gonna be a two-termer first.

[CakeGrrl]

14. You want to replace him with 'another' Obama?

:eyes:

Smells a lot like "that one" from McCain or just a dismissive "he" like Jan Brewer not bothering with a more respectful term.

If you're that disgusted, go PM some people who clearly share your disgust and go seek your peaceful place.

[sufrommich]

18. I'm sure if you looked around the internet you could find

somewhere else to go. :eyes:

[QC]

19. Naomi Klein never supported PBO. n/t

[dmallind]

21. Wherever you want, including here with the 70% who support your hip radical cool individual stance

But if you mean where can you go to do that without being called a Republican-appeasing fool, www.freerepublic.com springs to mind

[dionysus]

30. rofl

:thumbsup:

[vaberella]

34. + Great post. n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

65. +1000

:spray:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

25. Does your imagination have space for rent?

[vaberella]

35. Go away. n/t

[John Agar]

43. Either way, a Republican wins.

Obama has morphed into one, and his major opponent will another, even worse one.

Anyway you look at it, you lose.

[FrenchieCat]

49. So much bullshit, so little time.....

[CakeGrrl]

52. Can't wait until Obama is the 2012 Dem nominee and

all these "Obama is a Republican" crap posts won't stick around long.

[John Agar]

55. Be that as it may...

I will probably vote for him as the less bad Republican, not that it will help much.

[Hawkowl]

57. If you keep voting for what you don't want....

You will never get what you want. :hi:

I, having voted for the last 27 years, will no longer vote for evil. Be it lesser or not.

[John Agar]

62. I hear you, believe me.

I'm sick of it too.....

[StreetKnowledge]

78. Then do something about it.

Honestly, I'm amazed all of the intelligent, liberal people here who are still willing to give hope to the Manchurian Candidate in the White House. Why? Because the GOP is worse? Guys, if you keep rolling over like this, you'll never get anywhere. By 2016, the American economy is going to be at such a point where fixing things without resorting to violence is going to be extremely difficult. Why keep saying "we gotta do it because the GOP is worse"? They are getting everything they want NOW. Get a backbone, guys, and take the shot.

[Fearless]

61. What does that say about your values?

[Hawkowl]

58. If only Obama shat as little as a bull does

Then we wouldn't be up to our eyeballs in shit. :eyes:

[Sheepshank]

56. So what to do, what to do?

Go ahead tell us what you will do with this bullshit, victim, fatalistic attitude of yours. Which way are you going to vote? Are you gonna hand it to the Reps? Because the D=R whine without a solution, without an action, is getting fucking old and devoid of anything worthwhile.

[John Agar]

63. I'm not sure what to do. I feel powerless and betrayed.

One thing I'm sure of: if I end up having to vote for this administration again, that will be all I do.

[Sheepshank]

66. The powerless victim.....

ain't gonna rub off on me. May just as well stand in a field of dandelions and let the whole planet toss you around in the breeze created by their collective sneeze. You can do something actually pro active. What about every other Dem running for Senate or Congress? You won't do anything for any of them either? Really? If that's the case, I am done with this conversation because you have no Democratic agenda going on at all. None. And I wonder why you even post at a pro Dem site.

I will go to my grave trying to change things.

It's not just about the results not about just the winning or losing, it's the journey it's making the stand, it's knowing I have stood up for something. That is what gives me the desire to keep moving.

[John Agar]

68. I'm not going to dignify this with a response, other than...

To note that I have every intention of voting for Dems this time (as I almost always have, for nearly 40 years), but will direct my donations to candidates who stand for what I consider to be true Democratic principles.

That is my right as a citizen.

I'd like to change the Dem party as well, back into something that resembles what it should be and (to an extent) once was: the party representing the interests of working and struggling Americans.

I won't do it by wasting my money on pro-corporate Dems, even if, at times, I may be forced to vote for them as the lesser evil.

[Sheepshank]

69. Your rights as a citizen have never been challenged...quit the martyr crap.

you bring it up as if you were being denied.

What I question is your desire to post on a dem site, when you clearly don't support...but then you changed your tune, so who knows where you are really coming from.

[John Agar]

70. I've been a registered Democrat for 39 years...

That strikes me as reason enough.

And looking around, it seems I far from alone in my feelings of frustration and disappointment.

[Mimosa]

79. John, your approach is smart , especially when you support local candidates

I think we dems ought to pay more attention to candidates and reps at the state and Congressional level. From that base we develop our Presidents, hopefully.

[Peacetrain]

45. Let me see..let me see

You looking for someone to support against the President..hmmmmmm

Well lets see.. you can try the republicans.. I understand they have a crew running against him

[SidDithers]

48. Don't go away angry...

well, you know the rest.

Sid

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[krawhitham]

54. Link

http://www.democraticunderground.com

[notGaryOldman]

59. Which Obama, now?

:shrug:

[Pisces]

60. Free Republic

[Sheepshank]

67. have you left yet?

[Hart2008]

71. Try rungaryhart.com. The Hartistas are coming! The Hartistas are coming! NT

[bhikkhu]

73. The Oil Sands are the problem, not some pipeline

and the whole Western culture's addiction to oil is the problem, not some pipeline. I'm not happy about the whole US pipeline network, but one more isn't going to change anyone's consumption habits, any more than one less would.



I have a great deal of respect for anyone protesting the pipeline, but the value in it isn't the pipeline itself, but in the publicity for the environmental damage the oil sands are causing. In a way, its similar to how the US appetite for cocaine indirectly doomed many latin american regions; our appetite for oil is destroying a region in Canada.

But realistically, if it weren't us it would be China, or Europe - the world is buying and Canada is selling, and there's nothing Obama can do about that.

[tcaudilllg]

77. Obama will be re-elected.

It's written in the stars. The only question is what you make of this truth, and what you do about it.

[BlueIris]

80. We'll all have to go somewhere.

Unless the Party wants to commit suicide, which I don't believe it does. We need a new nominee--right now.