Offical OWS twitter promotes Ron Paul / conservative web site

[flamingdem]

Is OWS flirting with the teaparty? What is your opinion? I'd like to know.

http://twitter.com/#!/OccupyWallSt
OccupyWallSt Occupy Wall Street
washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/welcom… This article speaks the truth #ows


Here it that post that official twitter for OWS states "speaks the truth":

Welcome to the #OWS 99% Movement “We Will NOT Be Co-Opted”
Posted on October 8, 2011 by WashingtonsBlog

Welcome to the #OWS 99% Movement “We Will NOT Be Co Opted”Preface from Washington’s Blog: Both mainstream Democratic and Republican parties are working furiously behind the scenes to co-opt the Wall Street protests. But as the Associated Press notes, the protesters are fed up with both mainstream parties, as are most of the American people.

LINK:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/welcome-to-the-ows-99-movement-%E2%80%9Cwe-will-not-be-co-opted%E2%80%9D.html

Here is another post from the blogger who speaks the truth calling on conservatives to join OWS
and in other articles he gives props to Ron Paul:

Conservatives Support Protests
Posted on October 7, 2011 by WashingtonsBlog

Conservative Groups Support Protests Last month, I called on conservative groups to endorse the Occupy Wall Street protests: It is time for some big conservative endorsements, to rally around the non-partisan issues important to all Americans. The Tea Party should endorse the protests, but so should the Oath Keepers, taxpayer rights groups, conservative Christians, limited government groups, and all other conservative groups. →
Posted in Politics / World News | 5 Comments


http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/conservatives-support-protests.html

[flamingdem]

1. Go ahead and unrecommend but this is a reality OWS

will have to face.

They can't be all encompassing and get support from sane people if they buy into teaparty and Ron Paul ideas.

[Sirveri]

28. Ron Paul does have some sane ideas, it's just that so much else is odious.

He wants to legalize pot so he says, so do I. So I should turn him away when we agree on a specific issue? Every group has fringe elements, if they're willing to bend towards consensus when the time comes so be it.

[jwirr]

38. I agree. As one of America's poor I want nothing to do with those

who would support someone who is going to disenfranchise me as a person. Have they looked to see what the views of this group are on Social Security? Medicare/Medicaid? Sure Paul may be for getting out of the wars - or at least he says so. Sure he may be for legalizing pot - or so he says so. But what is he going to do to change the situation they say they are protesting about - corporate greed - he wants more deregulation not less.

When we call this site their official site does it mean that the site is claiming that or are the protesters claiming this site as their own? What makes it official.

[flamingdem]

63. Ron Paul should be shunned

as someone else noted on this thread.

If you go to the link:
http://twitter.com/#!/OccupyWallSt

It says they are the official twitter of the occupywallst.org site
That appears to be the biggest site of the biggest occupation
Over 50,000 followers vs. a few thousand on the other occupy twitters

Liberty Plaza, NYC
Official twitter of our site! News and information about the occupation of Wall Street. Opinions tweeted do not reflect the occupation as a whole.

https://occupywallst.org

They cover themselves for those who use the tag #occupywallst (anyone can use this) but this tweet was from their twitter handle and that means that person had the password.

[polichick]

2. When the populist left joins with the populist right corporate control will be impossible...

Many posters here hate the idea of the two sides joining but it's only by divide and conquer that corporations have taken over our gov't, including the Supreme Court.

[flamingdem]

3. However the populist right, the teaparty, is bought and paid for by Koch

and others of the extreme right.

Plus, the populist right if you can call it that has power/representation right now via Eric Cantor, Ron Paul, Herman Cain, and the rest.

[polichick]

6. Many on the populist right have been fooled by Koch, Cantor, etc...

That doesn't mean their instincts are wrong when it comes to inequality - they need more awareness about what's really going on and OWS might give them that.

[ProSense]

19. Um

Many on the populist right have been fooled by Koch, Cantor, etc... That doesn't mean their instincts are wrong when it comes to inequality - they need more awareness about what's really going on and OWS might give them that.

What exactly are you talking about?

Tea Partiers Turn Tea Party Criticisms On Occupy Wall Street

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[msongs]

4. ron paul is not populist, he is a multi millionaire member of the 1%. effing phony nt

[polichick]

5. Ron Paul isn't important - but those voters who admire him for his stance on...

...the war machine and the Fed ARE important.

[ProSense]

20. The

"Ron Paul isn't important - but those voters who admire him for his stance on..."

...OP is about Ron Paul.

It seems you're OK with Paul co-opting OWS, but not the President or Democrats. Why?

[polichick]

21. My interest re this OP is the people on both sides, not the politicians...

btw, where did I post about co-opting OWS?

[ProSense]

23. Well

"My interest re this OP is the people on both sides, not the politicians..."

...I have no interest in teabaggers. They're responsible for the ongoing mess. They're responsible for Boehner, Cantor, Bachmann and all the other lunatics in Congress. Screw them.

[polichick]

26. You're confusing the people with the politicians - which is exactly...

...what the corporations count on. It gives us the illusion of two parties - instead of one corporate party with two faces.

[ProSense]

27. No

"You're confusing the people with the politicians - which is exactly... ...what the corporations count on."

...you're confusing "the people" with teabaggers, the Koch funded astroturfers, racists and Republican party enablers.


On edit, I suppose they do see themselves speaking for "the people," the question is which people.

[polichick]

29. Hey, you were fooled by Obama - does that make you the enemy?

There are a lot of people easily fooled on the other side and they don't have to be enemies either.

It's one big corporate con game.

[ProSense]

31. Actually

"Hey, you were fooled by Obama - does that make you the enemy?"

...no I wasn't. I supported candidate Obama and continue to support President Obama on policy.

Seems he fooled you though.

[polichick]

32. So the prez IS going to stand with the state attorneys who are...

...going after the banksters?

Didn't think so.

(If you're still fooled, I feel sorry for you.)

[ProSense]

33. What

"So the prez IS going to stand with the state attorneys who are..."

...does the ongoing negotiations have to do with your defense of teabaggers?

It's not like the teabaggers are pushing to hold Wall Street accountable on any level.

[polichick]

34. Obviously, my point is that those on the right who are upset with the inequality in the U.S...

...should be seen as potential allies to those on the left who are upset with the inequality in the U.S.

Corporate control has taken place because people on both sides have been fooled into thinking that "their guy" stands with them - the truth is, BOTH sides are corporate servants.

I feel as sorry for those fooled on the right as I do for those who apologize for the president's corporate leanings - all are just people who haven't done their homework and don't want to.

[ProSense]

35. And

"Obviously, my point is that those on the right who are upset with the inequality in the U.S..."

...you believe these people are teabaggers? Really? Maybe you shouldn't accuse people of being "fooled."

[polichick]

36. Nice try. YOU called them teabaggers.

[flamingdem]

24. The Teabaggers would not go for raising taxes on the 1%

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3xwIiRR7AmY/SiApMLc7gfI/AAAAAAAADDI/GM8JDkun_Xg/s320/born+free+taxed+to+death+tea+bag+protest.jpg

[polichick]

25. Depends who you're talking to - the first tea parties were about...

Wall Street and inequality.

[kelly1mm]

30. Isn't Obama as well? Should we not listen to him either since he is the 1%? nt

[flamingdem]

39. He's in favor of taxing the 1%

and he's not really one of the one percent. Those are multi-millionaires in another category - filthy rich is one way to describe it. A few mill doesn't put you there.

[freshstart]

58. Hmmm....

The Ron Paul people seem to be promoting that.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?321107-Use-OWS-Twitter-hashtags-to-our-advantage

And this is all over the place in the Ron Paul forums. They are obviously trying to make OWS theirs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pYPaA6QU7o&feature=related

But then there is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz86VqHjJnE

[Blue_Tires]

62. The Paulites are NOT our friends

just because some small percentage of them are against the wars and smoke the reefer...

And don't think their sudden interest in OWS is out of some 11th hour conversion, either...They see something that has positive momentum, and want to attach their names to it while at the same time morphing the message...

See if I'm wrong: By next spring Paul and his people will be happily taking credit for last fall's "Protest the FED" movement that mobilized millions across the nations in every city...People have short memories, and once they take control of the truth, the media will fall right in line...

[freshstart]

69. If you look at some of Ron Paul's sites...

like the Daily Paul, you'll see them discussing how "stupid and misinformed" they think the OWS crowd is and giving each other tips for trying to take them over, including promoting the Occupy the Fed.

Some screen shots may be in order.

They are not our friends.

http://www.dailypaul.com/181683/get-it-together-grassroots-we-need-to-influence-the-debate-of-ows

And there are plenty more threads like that all over his forums. Some are playing the "peace" card, however I don't think it is for peace because if it was, they wouldn't be trying to "infultrate" and "take over." Hopefully the others at OWS will see what is going on.


It seems that they are a little "stupid and misinformed" if they don't see Ron Paul's ties to the Kochs.

[villager]

7. um, who is "officially" tweeting on behalf of OWS?

It would be entirely possible to pick and choose other "official" OWS statements, pronouncements, posts, etc...

[villager]

8. "Opinions tweeted do not reflect the occupation as a whole."

...as that Twitter account you cite itself notes...

[flamingdem]

13. In some circles that's known as a cop-out since that person has to have access nt

[villager]

44. Wouldn't the cop-out be all the other Tweets you didn't bother to post?

:shrug:

[flamingdem]

47. Sadly that one has been sitting at the top for most of the day

So it bears weight since it was seen on the twitters of over 50,000 and now people at DU as well.

[villager]

48. Guess you missed ""Tax Bankers - End Medical Bankruptcy" among dozens of others?

But then, those don't work for the selective argument I guess?

[flamingdem]

51. Funny you should discuss selective arguments

with a group that encourages all comers, and thus gets off the hook for all responsibility for any one particular viewpoint according to some.

If they aren't selective this is the result. And that's crappy enough to mow over the rest. No, I do not want to join hands with conservatives and I think the Paul family are insane racists.

[villager]

52. ...just as you couldn't be bothered to post when Naomi Klein spoke to the OWS group

...the other night?

You're desperate to discredit OWS, we get that -- they're outside DLC control.

[flamingdem]

53. The reason I noticed that tweet is that I am supportive of OWS

but go ahead into the usual DU insanity about DLC JUST GO CRAZY :party:

I have been involved with political change groups for many years. That's why I see the problems.

I have no idea what Naomi Klein thread you mean btw.

[villager]

61. We've all been involved with political change groups for years -- that's what brought many of us

...here, and why so many of us are disappointed that "change" meant "business as usual" after the last Presidential election.

OWS seems to represent real hope and change, if the movement can be sustained. Isolated one Tweet, from a group run Twitter account that may collate a lot of related items, but isn't "official," hardly discredits them. Besides, the article you link to simply says, really, we're all in this boat together.

And --speaking of group names that make DU go crazy -- you're the one who brought up "Tea Party," in a rather weak-tea attempt to discredit OWS...

[flamingdem]

64. What I do is of little consequence

What they do when so many are jumping on their wagon matters.

They will be having to take responsibility for who they support and if they are not critical about teaparty / conservatives / libertarians like Ron Paul jumping on the wagon then I will be more critical of them of course.

Many people on DU are young and DO NOT have experience with how political movements work.

All you have to do is listen to the interviews and the rose colored glasses to see that this is a nascent movement and hasn't hit hard spots yet - like deciding who gets input.

If teaparty types join and impact consensus you can expect issues to arise.

[villager]

65. The main thing now is for OWS to stay in the streets...

...and bring the contradictions and disparities of corporate-owned America into focus.

Less hand-wringing, and more resistance, is the order of the day...

[flamingdem]

66. now that is something we can agree on!

I think it's amazing how well they're doing and primarily worry about how they will be undermined or potentially undermine 2012 via those who prefer a conservative win.

[villager]

67. well, there ya go. Another coalition built!

:thumbsup:

[woo me with science]

68. +1000000 Thank you for the clarity in this post.

This is all about divide and conquer, and corporatists from both sides will be trying to do it.

We are the 99 percent.

[flamingdem]

10. That is the official twitter site with tens of thousands subscribed

The only one I've seen with that many and it calls itself official.

If this is a mistake expect many more like it up to including some of the most hateful and regressive forces in our country.

... and then afterward not having to take responsibility because "we have no leaders" .. "we are
anonymous".

This is a weakness. They can be used and they appear to be naive at least in this case.

I hope it's not too good to be true, but clearly it has been organized fast and we live in
a society with the attention span of a gnat so we can expect some less than thought out statements.

[Hutzpa]

12. Are you pointing out their flaws? n/t

[flamingdem]

14. I'm pointing out what I read and note nt

[boppers]

70. "official twitter"? You really don't get how crowdsourcing works, do you?

There is no official twitter. No official facebook. No official spokesmen. No official communications.

There is no "head" to kill.

[Hutzpa]

9. I hope OWS can keep their pants from twisting

because the right are desperately trying to join this movement, once they do
you will see everything disintegrate, you can bank on it.

Someone is desperately trying to make a connection, that twit might not have come
from ows, just sayin'

[flamingdem]

11. It had to come from them.. but who knows who exactly in the group

You have to be able to log in to post from twitter.

Well I hope they are aware they can be used and by the very groups and forces they are against

..... How could the Koch Brothers and their cronies not be all over this?

They sponsor many trolls why not insta-OWS supporters?

[Hutzpa]

15. a'mean you can't delegate for the weak amongs us

but I hope they take control now before it's too late.

[flamingdem]

17. That's what I'm noting. The control issue will be there

due to the nature of communication and who said what.

If no one is responsible for statements and positioning then the vacuum will be filled.

[boppers]

71. "You have to be able to log in to post from twitter." LOLWRONG

It takes about 5 minutes to forge *any* twitter account. You just have to know how.

That being said, I've heard all kinds of perspectives coming from OWS participants. They aren't all lockstep, in any direction.

[flamingdem]

16. About Twitter: what is a hash tag vs. what is posted from an account:

This is posted from an official twitter account - you must know the password:
(I think this implies responsibility to some extent)

OccupyWallSt Occupy Wall Street
washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/welcom… This article speaks the truth #ows


This uses hashtags that anyone can use to appear in the stream of posts or it can be retweeted
by the official twitter account (understood that the account is not responsible):

rkl2195 rkl2195 Anonymous
by OccupyWallSt
I'm kind of in love with #OccupyWallStreet. Everything about it is just so amazing. The interesting people, the assemblies, the music. #OWS

[kestrel91316]

18. The teabaggers are 1%ers' sockpuppets. OWS needs to shun them.

[MNBrewer]

37. THere is no "official" OWS twitter

[flamingdem]

40. Try putting in the words "official twitter occupy wall street" and see what you get

yep, the one with the post praising the Ron Paul conservative blogger

http://twitter.com/#!/OccupyWallSt

Try it!

[MNBrewer]

41. as in official tweets, was my point

You'll have to be more specific with regard to the Ron Paul blogger. Can't see it.

[flamingdem]

42. It's on the OP. Google the name of the blog washingtonsblog and "Ron Paul"

you'll get plenty of examples.

[MNBrewer]

43. I don't think this constitutes OWS "flirting" with the Tea Party, or Ron Paul for that matter

It's a series of tweets to the OWS twitter feed by one person. A twitter feed that clearly states that it does not necessarily reflect OWS, right?

[flamingdem]

45. It's clearly an issue in the air if you've been listening to the interviews

Right here on this thread you can see the case being made to join hands with brothers and sisters in the teaparty as another populist group with some shared issues.

Gotta love that consensus seeking. You can find a patch with any group out there, I suppose, why not include Arian nation since at least they claim they support the working class.

[MNBrewer]

49. I understand that the proposals have been made, but that's clearly out of the question

#1. Tea Party is an authoritarian movement, despite it's claims of being Freedom Lovin'
#2. OWS is more anarchist

The early spark of the Tea Party was government bailouts of the banks, but opposition to that is about the only thing that OWS and TP share.

[polichick]

50. It's true that many tea party members are authoritarian, which is one reason...

...they're so easily fooled by people like the Koch brothers, but imo it's hard to say that opposition to bank bailouts is all they have in common with OWS participants. At this point, how unified are those participants anyway - how many issues do they have in common? I'll probably go and use my little Flip camera to do some interviews because I'm really curious.

I've said for a long time that if the right and left would stop allowing politicians and their corporate masters to divide us things would change. Who knows what will happen next - sure will be interesting to see!

[Pirate Smile]

56. No, the Tea Party didn't start because of the bank bailouts. Santelli's rant wasn't about bailing

out the banks. It was about the prospect of the Government helping to bail out some homeowners. He was railing on the idea of the Obama Administration trying to help people getting foreclosed on.

It was well-off Americans pissed off at the mere prospect of "deadbeat" homeowners getting a "bailout." This is the rant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiCOb49vVVM

The media bought a line of bull. It was fundamentally a reverse populist movement - the 'haves' scorning the 'have nots'.

Remember, this poll showed that teaparty members are wealthier & more educated than average Americans. http://nyti.ms/bHTdkf

TP people generally aren't broke or unemployed. They're Rick Scott. Teaparty people are mad at the government. They blame the government. They DIVERTED anger away from Wall Street and the Banks and turned all the focus onto the Government. They fought everything the governement did to try to help people who were hurting.

If people think OWS can "align" with the Tea Party then I really don't think they've been paying attention to who exactly the Tea Party really is.

[mdmc]

46. ..

[Union Scribe]

54. Nice bait and switch, poster

The article linked to by that twitter account had nothing to do with Ron Paul, and so you try to smear them by pointing out another article that they did NOT link to. Very dishonest of you.

[flamingdem]

55. I think it's obvious to see what that blogger is all about

and if people are going to be that naive that is a problem.

From what I'm seeing on this thread and with that tweet, there is not enough skepticism about
the Teaparty or Ron Paul or any number of those who might want to join OWS.

That's the problem if they don't take sides although I understand why they are taking that route
for now. In the long run it's not viable, imo.

[flamingdem]

57. His post from Oct. 7 "Libertarians Support Wall Street Protest to End the Fed"

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/10/libertarians-support-wall-street-protest-demand-to-end-the-fed.html

Why was it so hard for the twitterer from OWS to decipher the orientation of the site?
Especially with the GOLD PRICES listed on EVERY PAGE!?

Excerpt:

Ron Paul says that the Wall Street protests are legitimate, and that they are really protesting against the Federal Reserve.

One of the protest organizers tells me that a large proportion of the protesters are Ron Paul supporters. Most of them believe that ending the Federal Reserve is the most important step to restore our country’s prosperity. See this, this and this.
---- SNIP


Some very well-known economists also support ending the Fed.

For example, Milton Friedman said:

This evidence persuades me that at least a third of the price rise during and just after World War I is attributable to the establishment of the Federal Reserve System… and that the severity of each of the major contractions — 1920-1, 1929-33 and 1937-8 is directly attributable to acts of commission and omission by the Reserve authorities…

Austrian economists such as Murray Rothbard also would like to end the Fed:

***

Americans across the political spectrum say the Fed shouldn’t retain its current structure of independence. Asked if the central bank should be more accountable to Congress, left independent or abolished entirely, 39 percent said it should be held more accountable and 16 percent that it should be abolished. Only 37 percent favor the status quo.

As I have extensively documented, the Fed is largely responsible for the economic crisis, and has failed to meet a single one of its stated mandates (let alone its implied ones).

Indeed, the Founding Fathers despised the British central bank, and said that the right to create their own credit and currency was one of the core battles in the Revolutionary War.

Obama Is Not the Answer

Libertarians also point out that – while the Obama campaign and Democratic National Committee are trying to hijack the Wall Street protests – they have been part of the problem, not part of the solution.

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[Tarheel_Dem]

60. Who couldn't see this coming? Next, we'll hear that they're being supported by....

some K Street group. Like the original Tea Party, movements are always subject to infiltration, and sabotage. I'm hoping that's not the case here.

[Skittles]

72. if they truly represent 99%, they'll pick up plenty of nutcases

[sce56]

73. I saw both last saturday @ Occupy LA

But they were a very small minority. The debate must be free and open to all... But I don't mean we have to follow them....