I'm glad it's Romney

[Onlooker]

Romney is clearly the frontrunner, and the Tea Party candidates look more and more pathetic with each passing day. I think that is good news.

Let's face it: This is a nation that capable of electing the likes of Reagan and Bush II. That means it's capable of electing Perry, Cain, or Bachmann. Romney at least is a chameleon. He has no political principles and will simply adapt to the prevailing winds. If Romney should beat Obama, and we have a Democratic Congress, Romney will be quite moderate, probably a little to the left of Bush I. If the Democrats should retain control of the Senate or lose the Senate and gain the House, Romney will be completely noncommittal and pay lip service to the right, while governing from the center. The only danger with Romney if if the right wing gains control of Congress, then they will find Romney easy to push around. I certainly hope Obama wins, and recognize that Romney is a tougher opponent than the others; but at least he's not a complete nutcase that will drive this nation towards fascism.

[polichick]

1. k&r (that didn't show) Yes, if we care about this country, we should be glad...

...that it'll be either Obama or Romney and not an anti-science, religious extremist nutjob.

[still_one]

2. Only romney or huntsman would attack the independents. The other candidates would not be accepted

by independents.

romney is like a mood ring, he changes depending on when and who he is talking to

He can fool a lot of people, including independents, and he would give the most formidable challenge to President Obama, which is not good for the country. We do not need more republican rule that brought us where we are today

[Arugula Latte]

3. But remember how "everyone" said Dumbass would have to govern as a moderate

given the closeness of the election in 2000?

Yeah.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

13. I certainly thought he would

at least, I figured he'd end up being a one-termer like his father and, before 9/11, he seemed to be heading that way. After 9/11, it was entirely a new ballgame. :puke:

[INdemo]

4. don't think Romney will be a moderate..he is owned by the

corporate mafia..You are assuming Democrats will regain the House or Senate.What if we lose both..As long as there are those like Cantor,Paul Ryan any Republican will cater to their desires..We lose with Romney..We lose Social Security,we lose medicare.we lose pell grants and all reforms or regulations that stand in the way of the corporate mafia profits..No we don't want any of those crazies.
When the smoke clears I think Obama will win..But then, if the election is close,the corporate mafia steals it because we do have any safeguards in place to prevent it.

[Robbins]

5. My take

This will be campagin like 2004.Romney can be beaten.Take the fact romney Is one of those ho have been getting rich wile the country suffers.
And he has flipflopped so much.Use the Bush VS Kerry playbook only this time Obama as Bush doesn't have to lie at all about Kerry=Romney.

If romney wins we are screwed.That means Republicans take the senate(I will concede even If Obama wins that could happen) and keep the House(
If Obama wins I the changes are btter of taking back the House than keeping the senate) and Romney has no princibals.He will go along with
what the right ring and tea party wants.And no gurantee democrats In the senate will even attempt to fillerbuster like republicans have.Remember the bush years.

[grantcart]

6. It is unlikely to be Romney

He has been running for 5 years and never has gotten more than 25% of the GOP to support him.


There is zero emotional connection with Romney, and I mean zero. Last year when Senator Bennett needed help to keep his seat Romney showed up to show support.

He was booed off the stage.

Booed off the stage for standing up for the most conservative Republican in the Senate.

And that was in Utah.

Zero emotional committment.

When the others start to drop out their supporters will drift to other candidates but they will not go to Romney, if they liked Romney they would already be there.

By February there will be a "anybody but Romney" movement and even if it doesn't overtake Romeny they will try and take it to the convention and draft someone, Daniels, or the one that has been really quiet Jeb Bush.

Here is the latest from Iowa

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/11/ia-2012-caucus-30-cain-22_n_1005320.html

30% Cain
22% Romney
10% Paul
9% Perry
8% Gingrich
8% Bachmann
5% Santorum
1% Huntsman

Ironically Romney's large lead in NH actually works against him

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/11/nh-2012-primary-45-romney_n_1004826.html

2012 President: Republican Primary
45% Romney
13% Cain
13% Paul
7% Perry
5% Huntsman
4% Gingrich
3% Bachmann
1% Santorum


It is his home state, having moved there. If he wins, he doesn't really gain anything. If his numbers soften it will be major news. If he wins but it is less than 30% then it will be a fatal blow.



Which brings us to SC

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/11/sc-2012-primary-26-cain-2_n_1005130.html

If you don't understand the emnity between evangelicals and Mormons consider this fact;

Republicans in South Carolina currently prefer a black man over a Mormon.

26% Cain
25% Romney
15% Perry
8% Gingrich
7% Paul
5% Bachmann
1% Santorum


Forget the national polls. Romney has big problems when you look at the key primary states, states where he has been hundreds of times.

The fact is the more people see of Romney the less they want to support him.

Give the Republicans an alternative and they will take it.

Romney is not going to be the nominee, or if he is it will be after the worst Republican blood letting since Goldwater/Rockfeller.

[FrenchieCat]

7. Romney will sucumb to the wishes of those holding his balls,

and if Romney wins, it won't be Democrats doing that.

You discussing Romney in the frame of him being acceptable to Democrats
is dangerous framing for this country.

If Romney wins, it will mean he will have a GOP Senate, a GOP House,
and when it is time to replace Ginsberg on the Supreme Court, he will
go with the wishes of those squeezing his balls, and again, it won't be
Democrats. It will be the business community, i.e., corporate interests
and the tea party nuts. If you think Democrats held Obama's feet to the fire,
you'll see Romney's magic underwear in flame, and unlike Pres. Obama who is his
own man and quite consistent and upfront about his stances,
you'll get to witness Romney get on his knees to the party that got him into office,
and for Democrats that will be more than just a little ugly, it will be a nightmare.
Mark-my-words!

[Whisp]

8. the tone from CNN is they don't want Romney.

been stealth bashing him all morning.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

9. So, in summary... Romney will just be Obama II.

"He has no political principles and will simply adapt to the prevailing winds. "

Hey, that sounds very familiar! :rofl:

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[FrenchieCat]

14. Your statement is foolish....

[ellisonz]

18. Clueless.

[Worship Money]

11. People seem to be equating

Moderation with complete elasticity and shapelessness in your political beliefs. This is a mistake.

I'm sorry, but people running with the "Romney is an acceptable moderate" campaign here are playing right into the hands of the right wing. The establishment is trying to slowly stake Romney into EXACTLY that type of position.

The fundies and tea baggers do what they're told, and despite Romney not being their idea choice, they'll get out and vote for him. This is what they're ordered to do, and in any case they'll have enough energy and hate for Obama/the left to get out and vote.

The so-called middle in this country are just going to follow the establishment's portrayal of Romney, and his pathetic acquiescence to it. He's not likeable, but he's going to be perceived as just "moderate" enough to be useable for punishing Obama.

I'm sorry, but the guy's a shitstain. He's not a moderate, he shouldn't be seen as acceptable in any way to a liberal or progressive, and will do what his paymasters tell him once he's in office. He's every bit as dangerous- actually moreso- than the other candidates.

Ignore this at your own risk.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

12. "Democrats fall in love" with their candidates

Republicans fall in line."

Truer words have never been spoken.

[WI_DEM]

15. If Romney is elected he'll probably have a GOP Senate & House with him

which means Mr. Chameleon will do their bidding. None of them is acceptable and we must re-elect President Obama.

[totodeinhere]

16. I think you are getting ahead of yourself. Most objective political observers agree that the race

has not been decided yet. Heck, there hasn't been one caucus or primary yet. Lets wait until after Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina before jumping to any conclusions.

[AlinPA]

17. The teabaggers and fundamentalists will end up with Perry with the rest of the base

(anti-immigrant, anti-gay, birthers and other crazies)and he will win their nomination.

[Bombtrack]

19. Were you glad it was Giuliani in '07? Dean in '03 ?

Because that's who the frontrunners were at this time in those years primaries.