The Cain Plan Removes Taxes On Cigarettes And Liquor

[DemocratSinceBirth]

It should be government policy to discourage such activity or at least benefit from it.

[monmouth]

1. Either that or just partaaaay...n/t

[phleshdef]

2. Anything that consequentially costs society should be taxed to cover the difference.

I've no problem with the idea of letting people do what they wanna do and taxing them to make sure we can take care of their asses whenever it makes them sick. Its the perfect balance between freedom and protection if you ask me.

[boppers]

11. Can we tax cars that drive over 30 m.p.h.?

How about people who chose to fly in airplanes?
Bungee jumpers?
People who eat red meat?

[phleshdef]

17. None of those things really fit the criteria, so no.

First off, we should draw the line at food because food is essential. Certain things should probably be banned, like trans fats and stuff like that, that we can all do without. But anytime you tax something thats essential, that also costs society, and not everyone can afford to eat healthy and not everything is unhealthy for the same people, a lot of that is based on genetics. Of course there are certain foods that are definately bad for everyone and that no one actually needs but I don't think we should go there in terms of trying to tax it based on its health value. Its just not a very realistic proposition.

Also, in our society, the ability to travel long distances in a vehicle is almost a necessity for everyone. That includes cars and airplanes. So no, I don't think taxing people who ride planes or drive cars over a 30mph should be taxed. As far as fast driving goes, we already charge people speeding tickets if they go over the legal limit. Regardless, you already have to buy insurance that will at least cover the damage to other people you may hurt with your car if not yourself as well. So in the grand scheme, cars aren't very relevant to my point. We cover that.

If you want to tax bungee jumping, go ahead. But its not something that is a massive strain on healthcare costs. No statistics reflect that notion at all. So I'm not sure why you would even suggest it. Do health insurance companies even charge bungee jumpers higher premiums?

Alcohol and tobacco are not things that people actually need (I say this as a person that has had my share of both in the past). The more a person does of both, the higher the chances that person could end up with lung cancer, emphysema, heart disease, liver disease, colon cancer, esophageal cancer, kidney damage, diabetes, etc. Whats wrong with paying some insurance against the consequences of possibly making yourself sick, based proportionally to the amount of consumption of said unessential substance? I'd have no problem paying a little extra when I buy beer in order to subsidize the costs of managing liver disease or research to cure cirrhosis. I don't smoke anymore, but it would have been nice if the taxes on them would go directly to lung cancer research and/or to help pay for chemo treatments or hospice care for lung cancer patients or to pay for oxygen tanks for people with emphysema.

[bbinacan]

3. Me likey!

:smoke: :toast: :beer:

[Politicalboi]

6. Me too

Yaba Daba Doo! Vote Cain 2012. 999! It's so fine. :sarcasm:

[LiberalFighter]

4. It shows that Cain doesn't have the capacity to analyze more than one item at a time.

Or to piece together multiple items together and determine any possible consequences or benefits.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. His Plan Also Removes Most Of The Deductions A Corporation Can Take

Not every corporation is Wal Mart. I had an S Corp. I was the only employee. I could deduct rent, my salary, phone expenses, car expenses, rent, health insurance et cetera. Under Cain's plan I could only deduct goods I purchased that were made in America.

[customerserviceguy]

7. Well, there are still state taxes on both

In any case, the details of 9-9-9 mean absolutely nothing to anyone who would vote for Cain on a bet. Unless he gets a wide swath of Repukes who would run on his agenda, the 9-9-9 plan simply has no chance of passing any Congress that is owned by the interests served by the present tax system.

The tea partiers know that, and those who claim today that they will give him a vote come primary or caucus time simply like the fact that he's willing to move in that direction. Cain has played a good game of rope-a-dope with his Rethug opponents who discuss the 9-9-9 plan like it was already here.

[EC]

8. Wasn't the shortage of cigerettes and beer

in Minnisota what broke their budget stand-off? They likely learned from that.

I knew this would happen once I heard someone on TV say that the 999 taxes peoples beer...I think it was David Corn. Anyway, that would cause an uprising in some areas.

[rug]

9. You know, if he comes up with free cigarettes, I may have to reconsider my position.

[BeyondGeography]

10. As an aside, I'm seeing more kids smoking lately

Purely anecdotal. Maybe there's some "fuck it" it in the air.

[MFrohike]

12. Ugh

It should be government policy to discourage overweening interest in others' affairs. Honestly, the insurance cost justifications are going to bite its proponents in the ass when the time comes to charge people more because of their genetic history. The justification will change from behavior to genetic predisposition on the basis of cost. Won't that be wonderful!

[slackmaster]

13. Herman Cain took away my human dignity

:-(

[Douglas Carpenter]

14. well, he's got my vote now!!

:evilgrin:

No it would take a bit more than that to convince me that he is anything other than a right-wing extremist nut. But this does remind me of an old East Londoner I met years ago while on vacation in the UK. He was complaining about how Thatcher's Tories were increasing the taxes on alcohol and tobacco. "Just like those Tory bastards to hit the working man and attack his basic pleasures" (alcohol and tobacco).

[Bake]

15. Woohoo!!

Just kidding, folks. Don't get all nanny-state on me!

:woohoo:

Bake

[JVS]

16. That's a silver lining. At least I'll be able to afford to drink myself to death!

[yellowcanine]

18. Hey if it is good enough for SIM City it is good enough for the USA!

:rofl:

http://techland.time.com/2011/10/13/herman-cains-999-plan-looks-a-lot-like-sim-citys-999-plan/

[Ter]

19. Liquor shouldn't be taxed at all

Cigarettes should, or better yet ban them.