WHY don't we have UNIFORM & VERIFIABLE VOTING??

[polichick]

The U.S. is supposed to be a democracy - the best, most wonderful democracy in the world - and yet we don't have uniform or verifiable voting and neither party seems interested in making it happen.


WHY is that?

And how can we win Ohio and/or Florida without fair and accurate vote counting?

[Lint Head]

1. We don't have it because the people we really vote for may might get elected.

The system is rigged to throw progressives an occasional bone. The Obama election was such an overwhelming majority even rigging couldn't change it. That's why everyone who is registered voting is important.

[polichick]

2. I can't work for or donate money to the Dem party again until they...

...make this a priority - without it; elections are a joke.

[Hawkowl]

29. +1000

Gore, Kerry, and Obama in 2012. They have done nothing to remedy this cruel farce and pretend it is a Democracy.

[Skink]

17. Voting should be required by law

But made easy like in Texas where there is a 3 week early voting period. For this you don't even have to be at your designated polling place.

[Avalux]

3. Because our "democracy" is a sham. The entire voting system is a joke....

on top of that, only about a third of us think it's worth voting anyway. We are a poor example to the rest of the world. No wonder they laugh at us.

[polichick]

4. Why haven't Democrats, led by the Prez, fought for a verifiable voting system?

[Avalux]

27. Status quo....they're part of it.

Why jeopardize the cush jobs/bennies they have? The scale tips either left or right every now and then; each side gets their turn.

[polichick]

28. That's what it must be, as sickening as it is.

[Bluenorthwest]

5. Elections are run by the States...

Not the Federal government. Only those in your state can change the way you vote. What steps are you taking?

[polichick]

7. We can't have a Federal law about votes being verifiable? A few years ago...

I supported a bill by my Congressman, a bill that went nowhere.

To me it doesn't look like Dem leaders care about this any more than Repub. leaders.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. I don't say we should not do all we can

Just that State law is where the action is and that should not be overlooked. Oregon and now Washington vote by mail. Oregon had great turnout in 2010. I hear other states did not. Why wait? Go to the state house.
It is a fact that we have many voting systems, not one. I chaff when I read that 'our' system is this or that when it is not mine, but theirs that is that way. The people of Oregon went vote by mail before I got here, and it is the best system I have seen. We will not be happy to have anything imposed on us by DC because some States are messed up. So better the messed up states take up the broom and clean house if at all possible. That is the system we do share, that elections are State matters.

[polichick]

23. I'm okay with different state systems, but ALL of them should be verifiable imo...

...and I don't know why it doesn't seem to matter to Dem leaders.

[Bluenorthwest]

25. And I say that is all well and good but also not worth waiting for

Citzens of each state should be working to make voting easier and more trusted, right now, no matter what so called leadership does. The elected people who matter on this and should spak out are in your State House. If 50 states did the right thing, DC would not be relevant at all. I make copies of my completed ballot then hand deliver it to the elections office. Without asking 'leadership' from self interested politicians. It is a brave politician indeed that will seek to alter the very rules that just delivered them to power. So looking to them is not the best choice,that's all.

[polichick]

26. I think we can count on Florida and Ohio being corrupt again, so...

...what happens in other states won't matter nearly as much as it should.

[marginlized]

6. State's Rights - its in the Constitution n/t

[polichick]

8. Are you saying we couldn't have a Federal law requiring verification?

[MjolnirTime]

10. You could have a Federal law that the States verify. But the verification couldn't be done directly

by the Fed

[polichick]

13. I don't know why there hasn't been any leadership on this - the current system...

...is a joke; it's understandable that many people don't bother.

[MjolnirTime]

16. My dream is for someone to take up the charge for a Voting Holiday

National Voting Day, they could call it.

It wouldn't be hard to get the Public behind this.

And imagine the millions of new votes from those usually stuck at work.

It's a win for everyone but the GOP, obviously.

[polichick]

19. That would be a good beginning but I don't hear our "leaders" talking about it.

[marginlized]

20. You could certainly have Federalized elections...

with Federal control. It's just not he way they're currently instituted.
And amending the Constitution - that's what it would require - is a long and difficult process.

[polichick]

21. Seems like there could be a law requiring verifiable voting without...

...taking over the whole process.

[MjolnirTime]

9. States' Rights do divide us in many ways.

[polichick]

11. delete

[Sportsguy]

12. Or Wisconsin (Waukesha- Kathy Nikolaus, etc.)

Good question you are asking.

[polichick]

14. Is there an ongoing investigation about her?

[mkultra]

15. because each state handles voting

instead of there being two voting system, one for state, one for federal.

[polichick]

18. Please see #8.

[mkultra]

24. I think that would be costly and ineffective

You would either need to deploy federal auditors to insure the federal mandate was being followed or the federal guidelines would still be administrated by locality. Every little bitty hamlet and locality has local voting. This logistical problem alone is the reason why voting is pushed down to the state levels.

If the federal government sets one set of standards, how are the able to enforce them? Deny vote admittance to anyone who doesn't follow the guidelines? So we have a method that could be used as a bludgeon to eliminate entire regions based on "irregularities"?

Its an interesting idea but i see know way to implement it in such a way were there wouldn't be greater abuses of the system and the costs to the public being double. elections are very expensive endeavors, and while quality voting methods and accountability are worth while, they are not worth "any cost".