Obama's Got This Formula.

[The Doctor.]

Just watch what he does this year.

The more Republicans fight him, the more they will lose.

The less Republicans fight him, the more they will lose.


He's has them paralyzed. The nation is far more on his side than not. Even the media is going to have a very hard time putting him in a bad light after all his material and bi-partisan achievements. There are no strong Republican candidates. There will be no Obama scandals.

His timing is spot-on. He knows what he's doing. Despite the efforts to smear and vilify him he will continue to prove he is on our side.

I'd say 'It's in the Bank', but Obama's smarter than that.

It's in his pocket.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

1. This mourning was MS-GOP time.

Not only did they give free range to some Heritage Foundation nut, who rates politicians in accordance to how obscenely conservative they are, but they had a conservative pollster who claimed the senate was going hard right, with a high chance of turning GOP.

[The Doctor.]

4. Yep. Let them tell us all how Obama can't win, Republicans will clean up.

All the wingnuts can stay home, sit back, and watch the returns come in.

:evilgrin:

They can't win. Not after OWS. It just has to survive the winter.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

6. agreed.

I can only imagine how Bloomberg and others are plotting ways to make it "impossible" for the OWSers to stay through the sleet and the snow.
I suspect they will be unhappily surprised.

[Tippy]

2. K&R...Right on...

[Sheepshank]

3. Yup.....he seems to have caught them in their own snare. n/t

[The Doctor.]

5. If there's one thing I love...

It's cowardly anonymous unrecs.

It lets me know I'm spot-on. Thanks guys!

:smoke:

[great white snark]

8. You got a named rec from me Doc.

And a kick for your spot-on analysis.

[The Doctor.]

10. I love that pic.

I'm stealing it.


Thanks!

[Tarheel_Dem]

9. You got a got a Rec from me.

:kick:

[Solomon]

7. The economy is coming around too.

Plus, I still say some bridge is going to collapse somewhere where republicans stopped any infrastructure spending.

[The Doctor.]

11. I'm bookmarking this under "Republican infra-disaster 2012"

I'm holding you to it.

Let's just hope that if it does happen, there's no one too close.

[BrendaBrick]

12. Yep!

In a round-about way he is (in essence) saying this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGt5f70K02Q

He knows what he is doing alright (even though it probably took a bit to finally figure that out!)

Oh yeah...give 'em enough rope and they will hang themselves on their own accord because (as Olbermann has said) nothing from the Republicans is sticking!!!!

They are grasping at straws. Throw out a few nice-looking but inept females as a distraction...no dice. Throw out Herman Cain - he's a laughing stock. Throw out Trump or Romney or Paul or anyone else - still - nothing sticks. Know why? So do I - and so does everyone else. Thing is - I'm thinking is to save face among those republicans who are maybe reconsidering their choice. Here is where it might tend to become...hmmm...shall we say - a little 'sophisticated'?

My sense/hunch is that some of the citizen Republicans might just feel a little embarrassed. If this is the case, I would think the last thing anyone needs to do is to call them out on it. Who needs to have their face rubbed in the sand? Better is to just look beyond all that for the greater good...which is really the bottom line.

The greater good...all things considered ~

[ellisonz]

13. Rope-A-Dope

The Rope-a-dope is a boxing fighting style commonly associated with Muhammad Ali in his 1974 Rumble in the Jungle match against George Foreman.
Contents

Technique

The rope-a-dope is performed by a boxer assuming a protected stance, in Ali's classic pose, lying against the ropes, and allowing his opponent to hit him, toward the end that the opponent will tire and make mistakes which the boxer can exploit in a counter-attack. By leaning against the ropes, much of the punch's force is absorbed by the ropes' elasticity rather than the boxer's body.

In competitive situations other than boxing, rope-a-dope is used to describe strategies in which one party purposely puts itself in what appears to be a losing position, attempting thereby to become the eventual victor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope-a-dope

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udkoZ1EqGS8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Hey54O6Qs

[Mimosa]

14. What price will WE pay for the polital gamesmanship?

HE wins, we sacrifice.

WE are the pawns.

[The Doctor.]

19. The price we pay for it is having to suffer through another Obama term

Wherein he takes steps toward equality and economic justice as opposed to a Republican who will Fuck all of us save the .1%

I know, it's awful.

[BlueMTexpat]

44. I rec'd the OP, but this response deserves a special rec of its own! nt

[Marnie]

15. He is has already cut the SS deduction, cut Medicare

coverage for nursing homes and plans to do a lot more cutting of what he and the Republicans call, not trusts, but entitlements.

He is giving the Republicans every thing they want a little bit at a time but gets virtually nothing in return.

That is a plan alright. A plan the Republicans have been loving ever since he caved on health care.

[woo me with science]

24. Really, why should the PTB want him out?

He is accomplishing much more than they ever could have dreamed of with a united Democratic opposition.

The corporations are playing a very clever game now that they have purchased both parties. It is so easy to move rightward, when there is always someone further right.

[The Doctor.]

26. Utter bullshit. If you believe there are 'PTB', then you should know better.

For one, that he's accomplished anything despite the PTB is stone proof he's on our side.

Don't be naïve.

[woo me with science]

27. Oh my...

My dear, what you just posted is naive. Of course there are PTB. Follow the money.

And to claim that he is "accomplishing" for real Democrats, or for the 99 percent...

well...

[The Doctor.]

29. Your condescension is hilarious. Wanna know why? One question;

So... it is your opinion that the insurance industry spent umpteen millions of dollars creating a national astroturf movement http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2009/04/15/37578/pelosi-astroturf/">out of thin air in order to oppose Obama's agenda even though Obama was going to GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANTED anyway?!?

Really?

Sorry 'Dear', but the mantle is yours if you can wear that.

[woo me with science]

33. Oh please.

Obama had already made a backroom deal with the insurance companies to jettison the public option while he was still lying to the American people that it was still on the table. And what he signed was a corporate gift, a great big, fat pony that the corporate oligarchy has been salivating after: entrenchment of the for-profit insurance cabal into the American health system, with a mandate for every American to buy. Of *course* the Tea Party was co-opted, but its purpose is much broader than you are perceiving. Back up and look at the larger picture. They exploit and rely on our partisan divides in order to pass an agenda that would have the ninety-nine percent up in arms, if we were not at each others' throats. Fortunately the ninety-nine percent is starting to wake up.

You want to talk about naivete? After the three years we have just witnessed and endured first-hand, it is the very definition of naive to cling to illusions that Republicans are the bad guys and the Democrats the hard-fighting good, doing their best for all of us. Really? Meanwhile, we wake up to a new outrage nearly every day. We get vigorous defense of the military budget and expansion of the military industrial complex all over the world, slashing of our civil liberties at a pace that has the ACLU issuing alarms, corporate educational and environmental policies, aggressive pressuring of attorneys general to protect criminal banks from prosecution, a Chamber of Commerce "jobs" plan that will ship jobs overseas, attempts to lie under the Freedom of Information Act, and now....the cherry on top...

...slashing of Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid during the worst economy since the Great Depression. That's right. He offered up the futures of millions of Americans in order to sustain a tax system that fellates the rich and a bloody American empire. No, the mean old Republicans didn't make him offer up the safety net and the futures of millions of Americans. He has wanted this all along. He has pursued the corporate agenda in every major policy area since he was elected. What used to be Republican talking points for the defense budget, Homeland Security/TSA/domestic surveillance, education, economic policy, slashing of social safety nets...are now bipartisan talking points. That is not opinion. That is history.

Good god, man, open your eyes. Look at what he has actually been doing for three years, instead of what you hoped he would do. It was all very satisfying to hope and trust that he would bring real change, but at a certain point you have to face reality.

You really don't see why the banks and corporations buy into both parties? Really?

Thank goodness the ninety-nine percent are opening their eyes.

[The Doctor.]

35. That was an impressive lot said while avoiding the question.

Here it is again; "So... it is your opinion that the insurance industry spent umpteen millions of dollars creating a national astroturf movement out of thin air in order to oppose Obama's agenda even though Obama was going to GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANTED anyway?!?"

I get the dog and pony show far better than you think. So does Obama. But you fail at logic entirely. Otherwise you would have realized you proved my point when you said this;

"They exploit and rely on our partisan divides in order to pass an agenda that would have the ninety-nine percent up in arms"

Again, why would they have to go to all that trouble if Obama was going to give them what they wanted anyway?


Just answer the question, k?

[woo me with science]

39. Now, see,

Please don't do that. I answered your question directly. It is not my fault if you cannot or choose not to comprehend. I never stated that the two parties were not battling; I stated that the differences between them are exploited in order to benefit the corporations that are funding both sides. There is a large difference there. Please do not attempt to build a strawman with my words.

IMO you are naively taking on faith a couple of things. First, you are taking on faith that everything a political party says it wants to do, is actually what it wants to do. Second, you are taking on faith that everything political parties do in the public realm is for the purpose of honestly pushing the legislation they say they want to pass, rather than manipulating the public climate to make possible the legislation they truly *want* to pass. Again, huge and critical difference there.

In the case of something as momentous as MANDATING EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY TO PURCHASE CORPORATE HEALTH INSURANCE, do you seriously believe that they would ever have been able to accomplish this directly and honestly, without a revolt on both sides of the political spectrum? No, there is no way in HELL that they would have been able to sell such a thing. Not to the Democrats across the country, who detest the corporate health system. And not to the Republicans across the country, because they despise a government mandate. So how does this amazing gift to the corporations possibly happen outside of a dictatorship? Simple. You rile up one side with the promise of universal, affordable health care. Then you rile up the other side with the threat of government-controlled health care. You foment a massive battle between the two sides, and you end up passing a "compromise." And what is in the compromise, eventually? Well, you keep the mandate, but you start to chip out all the parts we discover we can't afford - the parts that actually help people. Did you notice that Obama joined with Republicans the other day to approve limitations on who will be eligible for Medicaid and SCHIP under the new plan? That he sided against his own caucus to do so? Did that surprise anyone? It didn't surprise the 99 percent. This is the game. Pay attention.

And we have seen this game over and over and over and over again. How do you think traditional Democrats would have responded if he had stood up at the beginning of his Presidency and said, "We are going to mandate slashing of over a trillion dollars from the budget during the worst economy since the Great Depression." But because he had the Tea Party frothing about the deficit, and because he was willing to hold hostage the safety nets of millions of poor and elderly Americans, he actually had people PRAISING him and expressing GRATITUDE for these massive cuts, because he "saved" SS at the end of April. This while the Super Theft Committee was being slid into its slimy place to shaft us down the road. What brilliant politics. Nobody made him put SS, Medicare, and Medicaid on the table. Nobody. There was no precedent for it. He did it himself. Why did he do it? Use common sense.

It's all about public perceptions and achieving the corporate goal. Follow the money. It's a damned good game they have had going. And they have been able to do it up 'til now, precisely because they know how to divide us so well. We are so busy screaming at each other that we failed to notice how they are bleeding us ALL to death. But people are starting to hurt now, badly, and they are waking up to the scam.

I hope that was sufficiently clear. To be completely honest with you, I have very little patience for this sort of argument right now. The history is clear. You only need to look at it.

I wish you good luck. I truly mean that. We are all going to need it.

[The Doctor.]

40. I can't count the number of erroneous assumptions in your post on every protrusion

I possess.

It's one thing to behave condescendingly, it's another to insult someone's intelligence over positions they do not hold.

The ignorance you've displayed in deciding what my positions are without knowing one God damned thing about them does not reflect well on your ability to have these discussions.

Thank you for the very clear message that I should not waste my time trying to explain anything to you as you will only ever hear what's in your head.

Bye.

[woo me with science]

42. On every "protrusion" you possess?

I don't care to hear about your protrusions, thank you very much. :eyes:

And yes, it is a waste of time.

Again, I wish you well. And for all our sakes, support OWS.

[Skittles]

43. you have the patience of a saint, WMWS

:rofl:

[Hippo_Tron]

38. Because they aren't rational

Anybody who thinks rationally will realize that given what Wall Street did to the country, Dodd-Frank was a fucking gift to them, compared to what could have been. They don't see it that way. They see Dodd-Frank as an outrageous and undue burden on their industry. And that's why they will throw their money behind the Republicans.

Much of the PTB are actually really shitty at politics. It's just that they have so much money, they're still damn near impossible to beat.

[The Doctor.]

41. Oh, I know very well how they think.

They think only in terms of the attainment and augmentation of power. That includes profit at any cost. It's not so much that they are 'irrational'. In fact, for the most part they are rational to a fault. What they are not is 'compromising' when it comes to those who are not of power. They truly believe that they should not have to deal with the burdens put upon them over the sheep.

They truly, truly believe themselves to be an entire class of higher species, if you'll excuse the mixed taxonomy. The reality is that they are, for the most part, entirely empty creatures with no real sense of their own value in the world at large.

[woo me with science]

16. He is not on our side. nt

[The Doctor.]

20. Oh yes he is. nt

[PragmaticLiberal]

21. Speak for yourself my friend.

:)

[Autumn]

17. un reced it

The less the republicans fight him the more they win. He's more than willing to give them what they want,

Oh you want to restrict stuff from my "health care" Legislation (which was crappy to begin with)

Sure I'll support that.

Where is the fucking fight by Obama in that?

[The Doctor.]

18. Thank you. I mean that.

It's a tribute to your integrity.

So why did he 'give them what they wanted'?

[Autumn]

28. Obama is not going to make waves. Other than

when he campaigns,then he gives one hell of a speech. The corruption needs to be rooted out, the inequality need to be turned around. We need someone willing to shake things up and turn it upside down. Obama doesn't have it in him. He isn't vested, so to speak in that. That's what I see. And you are welcome.

[The Doctor.]

30. Was that the answer?

Just; "He doesn't want to 'make waves'"?

I was looking for something more specific. That seems a bit nebulous.

I actually sort of agree. Part of his campaign strategy is not to give the media ammunition. He's been excellent at that. What I 'see' is that he clearly wants to do good (and I've researched him enough to have very good reason to believe it), but he is savvy enough to know that if he pushes too hard in his first term, he could lose the second.

To me it's pretty simple; 'Doing some good in the first term (which he indisputably has), then doing more in his second is a far better plan than starting a war with the opposition over an ambitious agenda in the first term, getting nothing done, and going down in electoral flames in 2012.'

He's following the only path he can if he wishes to do good. Everything that has happened so far has illustrated this.

[Autumn]

31. There was a little bit more than that in my reply

as for "savvy enough to know that if he pushes too hard in his first term, he could lose the second" a fucking turnip should win against these losers the GOP has put up.

Look we all know the problems our Country and our people are facing, and I just don't see him shaking things up. IMO he is following the path he WANTS to follow and so far that has not benefited a lot if us. The next five years will be very interesting.

[The Doctor.]

36. Funny you should mention that.

I believe the PTB didn't expect an uprising to occur so soon. Obama did nothing to give them the impression he would disturb their agenda, so they had no reason to make the race even close. I have a sense that they intended for the next President to be Republican and for that Republican to trigger the public outrage they would label 'terrorism' and summarily quash. Then all pretense at democracy would be abandoned.

This makes me wonder about a few things though.

As far as what he does with his second term, I'll bet you a star (for whomever of your choosing) that he is much more proactive with a much more liberal-looking agenda in his second term.

[rug]

22. Oh, good. I can concentrate on more important things than his reelection.

[ClarkUSA]

25. Like that's changed, right?

:eyes:

[jimlup]

23. I agree but there is a wild card in the deck eh? nt

[LWolf]

32. Meanwhile,

regardless of how much he panders to or "fights" Republicans, the 99% continue to lose.

[The Doctor.]

37. Not for much longer.

It will break one way or the other soon enough.

[lunatica]

34. The Republicans themselves are helping him

they make him look good every time they open their mouths.

[Johnny2X2X]

45. Front Runner

It's high time that the media and the Public start to treat Obama like the front runner that he is. Reelection is very likely.