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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 07:59 AM Original message |
What is "working class"? |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
1. A classification |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 08:06 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. wow...talk about fucking with a definition |
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Stuttgart77 (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
2. "Working Class" implies that everyone else doesn't work |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 08:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. You think Paris Hilton has ever done an honest day's work in her life. |
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Stuttgart77 (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 08:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Do you think everyone that isn't "working class" is Paris Hilton? |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 08:13 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Nein. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 09:27 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Basically, yes. |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
65. Rich people don't really work; they live off the sweat of others. |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
121. I think it's a great term because that's exactly what it means. eom |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #121 |
138. +1 |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 07:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
134. Thank you for recognizing that. THIS is now the class war. ... between the "working class" and poor |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #134 |
139. The class war is not between the working-class and the poor. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #139 |
152. It absolutely is now. The muddleclass has made it so by ignoring the rest of us. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
7. That definition eliminates the concept of middle class. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 09:25 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Yes, your definition is the one preferred by the elites. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Deleted sub-thread |
socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. +1 .............. |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
111. Folks who work in Information Tech Are Perfect Examples of your Post |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 09:52 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Jesus, you don't have to tell me I'm a worker. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #17 |
38. Cultural differences perhaps - |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
144. "most people can't go very long without a paycheck" |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #144 |
153. Define "impressive". |
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Boojatta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 10:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
141. That's very polished writing. Did you write it? |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
142. Yes, that's the classical liberal sociological model set up in the US to compete with the Marxist |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
8. if you have to ask... |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 09:19 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I don't think that's true - |
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Populist_Prole (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
77. The elites were and are just blowing sunshine up our behinds |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #77 |
91. Agree completely. nt |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #8 |
20. What if someone reads the definition? nt |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
12. This definition is actually what I've come around to |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
14. k&r |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
16. Working class: ( archaic) " group that most people used to belong to |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 09:53 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. They're still working class, but......... |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Is a retired person still in the "working class"? |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I would say yes to both........... |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
19. president obama doesn't own a factory, is he working class? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Having that much power makes a person upper class. nt |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. disagree |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. There is a third class, between 'worker' and 'owner' - |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. There you go. They're the ones who owe their wealth |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. n/m |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. I disagree. There's a group of workers......... |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
34. Is he dependent upon his paycheck to survive, |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. there you have the problem with this dailykos thing |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. "Wildly inflates the category of worker" - |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
44. Well played. nt |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Interesting comment from the gentleman with the Prius. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I don't REALLY own a Prius; it's satire. nt |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
23. Everyone who isn't "leisure class". (nt) |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. Yup, you got it. nt |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. +1 |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
97. +1 |
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peace4ever (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
24. anyone who earns a paycheck, and who is not an executive or part of senior management |
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Wounded Bear (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
30. A meme I've been toying with for a while... |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
31. My view is this. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. That's how I see it as well - |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 08:18 PM Response to Reply #31 |
156. Why can't both ways of organizing it exist at once? |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #156 |
158. I dislike it because it divides the working class against itself. |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 11:02 PM Response to Reply #158 |
159. True, it's very ripe for that. |
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Jankyn (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
33. Pretty simple, really. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. So...someone with a $30k/year investment portfolio is a "capitalist", BUT...someone with |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. "Historical" definition? Which definition would that be? nt |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. The definition is use for these hundred years or more, as opposed to the new invention youre pushing |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. So you are using the definition scripted by the elites. Why am I not surprised. nt |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. LOL. You might as well argue that every word is "scripted by the elites", and therefore |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
93. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #93 |
125. Deleted message |
d_r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
39. I agree with this article |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
42. The upper classes are getting nervous, if they want to redefine themselves as "working class" |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. "Upper classes" |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Hint: those making 7 or 8 times the national average wage! |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Again, avoiding the question. How many classes are there - and how would you define them? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. You're not the schoolmarm here. YOUR definition is a-historical, so if you want to agitate |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. "Working class" is not determined by job title. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. It's also not determined by TBF's whim. The phrase has a historical meaning. nt |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Again, avoidance of the question. What are the economic classes? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. Lame attempt at deflection. You want a new definition of "working class"? |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. It is not deflection, it is the topic of this OP. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. And, again, refusal to answer the question. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Umm, you have a "supporter", below, who is using Jamie Dimon as an example |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. I already responded to that question. nt |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Nonsense. From YOUR OP: "A working class person is anyone who works for a paycheck." |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. OK, you refuse to read my replies. That's fine. nt |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #51 |
70. Among the employed, there are exactly four classes. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #70 |
96. The last 3 all live primarily by selling their labor, not by investing their capital. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. That distinction doesn't dictate how those various classes are treated in society, though. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. You have to make 100, 500, 1000 times the avg wage to have power |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:53 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Nonsense. nt |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 02:56 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. CEO Jamie Dimon makes $10,400.00 an hour. Fed Min Wage $7.25 an hour |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Ummm, under the OP's definition, Jamie Dimon is "working class"!!!!! |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Obviously I should have spelled that out even more clearly for the willfully obtuse - |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Jamie Dimon draws a paycheck. You're arguing he doesn't pay bills with it? |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #68 |
94. That is not what I argued. nt |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. It's what the OP you quoted explicitly states, though. nt |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 02:26 AM Response to Reply #62 |
148. so a rich person can become working class |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Dimon's compensation isn't in the form of a paycheck |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. That's simply false. "Dimon's 2010 salary (was) $1 million. He was also awarded a $5 million bonus" |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. The OP redefined that, but whatever n/t |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Right. We were discussing the OP. You seem to disagree with it. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. No, I don't disagree with it |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. If you agree with: "A working class person is anyone who works for a paycheck" |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. I already said. Dimon could lose job & check tomorrow, still be a millionaire |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. OK, but that's not part of the OP's definition. That's the danger of ad hoc redefinitions. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. The part you choose to ignore - although I qualified it for you - |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. OK, but that is a CONSIDERABLE retreat from what you quoted in the OP: |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #86 |
101. That is how I interpreted the article - |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #101 |
108. LOL. I understand, but that is the danger of Ad Hoc redefinitions of words-- |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #59 |
122. No. Jamie Dimon is a partner, and manager, and his capital is at risk in the firm. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. He earns a salary; the OP makes none of these fine distinctions: "It's as simple as that". |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #124 |
133. Actually , the article states... |
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kelly1mm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #133 |
137. By that definition wouldn't any self employed person not be working class? |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 12:19 AM Response to Reply #137 |
146. Are you talking self-employed in the sense that they pay the hair |
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kelly1mm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #146 |
157. The hair dresser I was thinking of was my best friends' mom. She |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #133 |
151. Again, you now have to place asterisks all over "works for a paycheck" to make it work |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #151 |
154. Jamie Dimon doesn't have an employer. He is the employer and shares in |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
79. K&R a great thread! |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. It is a bizarre myth - but it starts to become much clearer |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Maybe less myth than religion? |
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oldhippie (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
81. I think it is pretty clear there is NO consensus here on DU .... |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
83. The working class earns a paycheck and still can't afford |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #83 |
104. After the past few years it seems to be breaking down very quickly |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #104 |
118. It's been breaking down for several decades. |
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conflictgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #83 |
145. I think this is the best definition yet. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
89. As another poster pointed out, JP Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon earns a paycheck...nt |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. And if he got downsized, fired, layoff, he'd still be a millionaire n/t |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Right. Which means that "working class" must mean more than "anyone who earns a paycheck" |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. It's about power |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. RIght. People who earn $250k plus have LOTS of it. Enough to even redefine words! |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #98 |
103. You know what? 90% of DUers are probably working class, not middle class |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. I sincerely doubt this. Else, why the mania to redefine top earners as "working class"? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. LOL |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. Do you really think that is what this article does? |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. Yes. I think the "two class society" concept is self-serving and guilt assuaging. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #112 |
135. OK, we are totally looking at it differently then - |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #106 |
113. Well, I did see one DU poll that asked this very question |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. While I agree with most of what you write, stock options ARE "salary".... |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #115 |
119. I disagree. Stock ownership by DEFINITION.......... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #119 |
126. The stock is granted in consideration of Dimon's labor; it is compensation. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #126 |
130. And regardless of how he got the stocks........ |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #106 |
123. I want the higher earners on my side. It's the obscenely high earners who are the problem. (nt) |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #123 |
127. They haven't been on our side these thirty years, as the middle class evaporated |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 02:10 AM Response to Reply #127 |
147. They need to be. They're next in line. (nt) |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #147 |
149. So what? What makes you think that we plebes will have their backs when it's THEIR turn? |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #149 |
150. We shouldn't UNLESS they make a real committment |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #89 |
102. He earns more from invested capital. He doesn't have to sell his labor; he can |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. So...we must further change the "simple as that" definition in the OP, I guess. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #102 |
114. Yep. I posted my #113 before I saw your post Hannah |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 10:13 PM Response to Reply #89 |
143. Honorarily. He makes his money off profit share just like all capitalists. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
110. There are only 2 classes, the Capitalist Class and the Working Class. |
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Populist_Prole (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #110 |
131. Perfect summation. Every word. Your definition should be a new dictionary entry. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. Thank you! |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
116. working class=blue collar |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
117. Working class to me, means |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
120. Like most classification systems, it is too narrow and too broad |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #120 |
128. Best post of the thread. nt |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 08:05 PM Response to Reply #120 |
136. Now this is a good post. |
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Curmudgeoness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-11-11 07:46 PM Response to Reply #120 |
155. I have always laughed at the idea that most people have of their status. |
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Spike89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #155 |
160. It is the odd aspect of discussing class |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
129. I've always said you are "working class" IF you are not otherwise $$ supported. |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-10-11 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
140. If you have to work to make a living. |
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