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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:53 AM Original message |
Poll question: There should be some industries which should be not for profit. |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:54 AM Response to Original message |
1. Banking |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. The Issuing of Currency |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:22 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Actually |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:26 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. The Fed Sets the Reserve Requirements Though |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:37 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. And the Fed is a banking cartel |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Oh, bullshit... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Deleted sub-thread |
Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #16 |
56. The Fed is a autonomous federal agency, like NASA. |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:30 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. The people who work for it are owned by the banks its called regulatory capture. |
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SteveG (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
25. Health care should never be for profit (nt) |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
40. Health Care Should Never Be For Profit? |
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arbusto_baboso (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. They eat just fine in other countries where it's not for profit. |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Not that ignorant, no. |
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arbusto_baboso (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Well, now you're just misreading what was said. |
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hooknows (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #45 |
91. I thought the idea was to have Health care publicly owned, and |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Ummm....from a nice salary. |
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Llewlladdwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Where does the salary come from? NT |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:10 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. The salary comes from a universal health care system that pays doctors well, |
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hooknows (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #52 |
93. Cuba's socialized medicine is very good. They also have made |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 04:38 AM Response to Reply #40 |
111. Very simple. |
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n2doc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 05:55 AM Response to Original message |
2. Health care |
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canoeist52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:01 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. yes health care -including pharmaceuticals |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:14 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. No, pharmaceutical companies need to be allowed to make profits. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:26 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. No necessarily so. Polio vaccine was not a "profit-making" venture |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
46. The poster said "many" drugs wouldn't have been discovered -- not "all" drugs. The truth is that |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. Profit for the drugs that are not life-saving (boner pills/acne meds, etc) |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. If you allow profits for "boner pills" and acne meds, but not for lifesaving drugs, |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #61 |
105. Big Pharma isn't making any "cures" -- only treatments for symptoms, on drugs for life |
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Maine_Nurse (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. But profits are also why the companies... |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
47. This is an argument for much more regulation -- not removing profit entirely. |
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AlabamaLibrul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
95. We need to reform the drug trial/introduction/patent process entirely |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #5 |
27. Not entirely true. Research now concentrates on how to reformulate existing drugs |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 04:42 AM Response to Reply #5 |
112. Many of today's drugs probably shouldn't have been discovered |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 09:07 AM Response to Reply #112 |
121. Exactly. they don't "discover" any cures, only treat symptoms |
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Maine_Nurse (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:34 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. It doesn't appear to help |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
7. Amen. |
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brewens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:27 AM Response to Original message |
9. Blood services. The FDA mandates we have to be not for profit |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:30 AM Response to Original message |
10. Representation, Campaigning, Courts, Police, Post, News, and Health. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 06:43 AM Response to Original message |
12. Fuel, Food, Medicine, Housing and Energy |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:30 AM Response to Original message |
15. Public services: health care, education, sanitation, etc. |
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ThatsMyBarack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
17. Parts of the Airline industry. |
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panader0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
18. Our natural resources should belong to the people. |
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nuxvomica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
19. Health care, energy, telecom, journalism |
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exboyfil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
20. So what does not for profit really mean |
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A Simple Game (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:32 AM Response to Reply #20 |
70. CEO salaries are a sore spot for me. |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
22. public safety, national defense, food safety, education, general welfare (small W) |
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txlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
23. All of them |
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badtoworse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
26. This is not a well framed question. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Well said n/t |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
29. Health care and health insurance. |
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Wounded Bear (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Yes to health care....eliminate "health insurance." |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
30. yes, energy and health care. |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Agree |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
31. A people's government should ensure the greatest good -- not the greatest profit -- !! |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
32. Churches. |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
33. education |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
35. The use of for profit prisons, "health" Insurance and mercenaries should be outlawed. |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
37. Health care, public safety/parks and education |
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Jack Sprat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
38. Banks and oil companies for certain. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:37 AM Response to Reply #38 |
65. Good luck with that...and then you wake up from your silly dream. |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
39. Health care, Prisons and Education should not be for profit. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
41. Health Insurance... |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
49. Prisons, jails, child detention centers, education, healthcare, ambulance service |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
50. Let's get rid of the market entirely. JMHO. nt |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. Uh, that was tried in several countries, it failed. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 06:55 AM Response to Reply #57 |
68. Do you think it's working here? Hint: maybe for the top .05%. nt |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Yes, let's get rid of the Market, entireley. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:38 PM Response to Reply #50 |
62. YES! Supermarkets, clothes stores, book shops etc. would all be just like the DMV! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:05 AM Response to Reply #50 |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 06:54 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Look up Emma Goldman - |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 07:22 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. HaHa, fair enough! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #69 |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. You call me an "elite"? |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 05:23 PM Response to Reply #72 |
103. I answered the question the best I could within the constraints of the rules |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 03:43 AM Response to Reply #103 |
107. So.... you don't know. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 06:39 AM Response to Reply #107 |
116. Read my response again slowly because you didn't understand |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 12:45 AM Response to Reply #116 |
123. Oh, I understood you just fine. LOL |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 12:55 AM Response to Reply #116 |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 04:02 AM Response to Reply #103 |
108. Does your explanation include profanity? Racist or sexist innuendoes? Really, it does? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 01:07 AM Response to Reply #103 |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #71 |
77. . |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
51. Anything deemed a necessity. Any raw material that comes from nature. n/t |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
54. The Defense Industry - aka The Military Industrial Complex. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:26 AM Response to Reply #54 |
63. Gen. Smedley Butler suggested military contractors get paid the same as infantry |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
55. Healtcare. Energy. Utillities. Mass Transit. |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
58. Postal Services |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 04:13 AM Response to Reply #58 |
110. it's very profitable for ups & fed ex. because their services are partially subsidized by the post |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-12-11 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
59. health care, energy, water, libraries, schools, prisons |
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Supply Side Jesus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
64. Energy...Public Services |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
74. Why get picky, let's get rid of profit. n/t |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Oh, please... |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. They pay interest on savings accounts? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Why should anyone take risk... |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Why should they control the means of production in the first place? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. "Why should anyone profit from another's labor?" |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. So where did they get this ability to 'take risk'? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Yes.... |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. You should... |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Of course it would... |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Dispute the contention of the cartoon... |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #89 |
96. "Dispute the contention of the cartoon instead of making unfounded statements" |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. So, my laughing friend... |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. How about SBA loans.... |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. And where did that come from? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Dude.... |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. To you, perhaps. |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Dude... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 04:04 AM Response to Reply #83 |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 06:13 AM Response to Reply #81 |
114. Risk |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #74 |
106. Damn, you took my line... |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
75. Potable water, energy, healthcare, prisons,sanitation, law enforcement. n/t |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
79. Anything that is completely necessary for survival should not have profits attached |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
80. All essential services, or industries that have become defacto monopolies. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
85. Basic utilites - electricity, water, basic local phone service - Basic protection services - police, |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
90. Health care, education (including college), energy, and water |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
92. Education, healthcare, water, electricity, public transportation. Maybe I'm leaving something out. |
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hooknows (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. In "Das Kapital" Marx talks about the phenomenon of the Capitalist |
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Cal Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 06:21 AM Response to Reply #94 |
115. That's the thing about capitalism |
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NotThisTime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
104. Healthcare/nt |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 05:07 AM Response to Original message |
113. Any industry that puts one person substantially in another person's power |
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F Bastiat (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 06:43 AM Response to Original message |
117. Are you willing to work for free in one of these industries? |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 07:04 AM Response to Reply #117 |
119. of course not. Employees still get paid, it is the stock holders we are talking about here |
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F Bastiat (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 08:04 AM Response to Reply #119 |
120. If there are no stock holders, there is no capital... |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. you honestly believe there are no non profit companies in America? |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 07:03 AM Response to Original message |
118. All Insurance, it is just blood money which is their profit |
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