BILL MOYERS RIPS MSM: "American TV is saturated with conservative views of the "ruling ideology".

[kpete]

Tavis Smiley interview of Journalist Bill Moyers

.....................

Moyers: Television, including public television, rarely gives a venue to people who have refused to buy into the ruling ideology of Washington. The ruling ideology of Washington is we have two parties. They do their job; they do their job pretty well. The differences between them limit the terms of the debate. But we know that real change comes from outside the consensus. Real change comes from people making history, challenging history, dissenting, protesting, agitating, organizing.

Those voices that challenge the ruling ideology – two parties, the best of all worlds, do a pretty good job – those voices get constantly pushed back to the areas of the stage you can’t see or hear. You got voices like those on your show. You got them on Amy Goodman “Democracy Now!” and a few other places like that, but not as a steady presence in the public discourse. American TV is saturated with conservative views of the "ruling ideology".

..............................


Moyers: We have a relatively narrow spectrum even in public broadcasting so that many of our shows that are usually establishment figures, experts, top of the business journalists who are on, people who have forums. You rarely get the radical voice, the dissenting voice, the voice of the populace, the voice of the progressive, the voice of the libertarian, the voice of the radical.

You rarely get those because, again, journalism in America is organized around opinion from Washington, around the debate in Washington, and that debate is narrowly defined as whether the truth lies between a Republican opinion and a Democratic opinion, not from outside of that consensus.

MORE:
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/tavissmiley/interviews/journalist-bill-moyers/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/16/976420/-Bill-Moyers-rips-TV-for-limiting-range-of-views-presented-to-the-ruling-ideology?via=siderec

[Hannah Bell]

kr for the obvious

[Hannah Bell]

1. dupe

[Bonobo]

2. The progressive viewpoint has been so stamped out that...

Think about it and then finish the sentence yourself.

[whathehell]

18. Someone like Cokie Roberts represents the "progressive" end of the Weekly Roundtable on Sunday. n/t

[defendandprotect]

32. Cokie's father -- Rep. Hale Boggs - was very courageous in challenging the Warren Commission...

of which he was a member -- and the FBI "Gestapo" -- in fact, he did that

from the floor of the USHR --

Gestapo Tactics. Against this background, House Democratic Leader Hale Boggs turned to a colleague on the floor of the House last week and said: "I'm going to make a speech that's going to get national headlines." In a one-minute address, Boggs broke the desultory parliamentary doings with a harsh challenge to the reputation of one of Washington's most powerful institutions—J. Edgar Hoover's FBI. Boggs: "When the FBI taps the telephones of members of this body and members of the Senate, when the FBI adopts the tactics of the Soviet Union and Hitler's Gestapo, then it is time that the present director no longer be the director."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,905017,00.html#ixzz1MgY7erNJ

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,905017,00.html



Boggs had doubts that John F. Kennedy and J. D. Tippit had been killed by Lee Harvey Oswald and that Jack Ruby was not part of any conspiracy." According to Bernard Fensterwald: "Almost from the beginning, Congressman Boggs had been suspicious over the FBI and CIA's reluctance to provide hard information when the Commission's probe turned to certain areas, such as allegations that Oswald may have been an undercover operative of some sort. When the Commission sought to disprove the growing suspicion that Oswald had once worked for the FBI, Boggs was outraged that the only proof of denial that the FBI offered was a brief statement of disclaimer by J. Edgar Hoover. It was Hale Boggs who drew an admission from Allen Dulles that the CIA's record of employing someone like Oswald might be so heavily coded that the verification of his service would be almost impossible for outside investigators to establish."

It has been claimed by John Judge that when Alan Dulles was asked by Hale Boggs about releasing the evidence, he replied, "Go ahead and print it, nobody will read it anyway."

According to one of his friends: "Hale felt very, very torn during his work (on the Commission) ... he wished he had never been on it and wished he'd never signed it (the Warren Report)." Another former aide argued that, "Hale always returned to one thing: Hoover lied his eyes out to the Commission - on Oswald, on Ruby, on their friends, the bullets, the gun, you name it."

Thomas Hale Boggs disappeared while on a campaign flight from Anchorage to Juneau, Alaska, on 16th October, 1972. Also killed in the accident was Nick Begich, a member of the House of Representatives. No bodies were ever found and in 1973 his wife, Lindy Boggs, was elected in her husband's place.


Sadly, I've always thought Cokie more concerned with "success" than journalism or truth --

however, don't know what pressures might have been upon her to avoid it, either!

[Smarmie Doofus]

3. Interestingly put. n/t

[xchrom]

4. recommend

[PotatoChip]

5. I SO miss Bill Moyers Journal

But it's good that he's still speaking out. K & R

[malaise]

6. 100% correct

Love you Bill Moyers - miss you like crazy1

[Zorra]

7. _^_

[w8liftinglady]

8. Who is the "Next" Bill Moyers? I'm curious...

I love Bill...even more so because he is from Texas. It takes some guts to speak as he does.

[liam_laddie]

17. Bill Maher can come close

to Moyers' disgust with the DC establishment. His barbs are sharp indeed. We need more artists, and writers, in the mold of Bruegel, Bosch and Goya who can vivify the damage done to us. :grr:

[FailureToCommunicate]

22. Except the part where Maher is a comedian, and Moyer, a journalist.

I agree, though, Bill Maher is really good, and nails it often.

[jaysunb]

24. I believe, Lawrence O'Donnell may well be.

Lots of inside experience and even more attuned to the outside the beltway opinion. :shrug:

[socialist_n_TN]

9. Tell it like it is Bill Moyers

Yes we know this, but a lot of people STILL have that "liberal" media idea in their head. We need more people like Moyers telling the TRUTH.

[Larry Ogg]

10. When it comes to where people get their political world-views,

the science fiction movie called “The Matrix” offers a perfect metaphor.

Science fiction aside, in the real world intelligent machines are not creating the perceived reality that people premise their world-views on, but the ruling class who own the (M$M) main stream media, go to great lengths to do just that.

And by controlling most of what the majority of people hear, see and believe about a world that exist outside the range of their natural perception, the ruling class has a great advantage.

And by controlling, what opinions are heard or not, they can control the subjective and objective world-view of most viewers, in affect, they control their mind. Moreover, when you control someone’s mind, you can control their political opinions and decisions, i.e. who they vote for.

And who do we vote for? People who support the ruling class at the expense of those who do all the work, but at least they give us the illusion of choice.

[valerief]

27. In many places, their biggest media venue is the church. nt

[Larry Ogg]

35. You’re absolutely right to point out the religious connection…

Adding to that, it's right wing churches in particular, that play a pivotal role in empowering the dominate right wing ruling class. I think it’s safe to say that right wing religious media and mainstream media (M$M) both serve the same master, and intentionally deceive those who buy into whatever fictitious interpretation of reality they are peddling.

[myrna minx]

11. K&R n/t

[ellenfl]

12. i love moyers. wish he'd come back.

does anyone watch his replacement? it hasn't turned me on yet. is it worth another try?

ellen fl

[Uncle Joe]

13. The corporate media requires the selling of commercials to exist, even

public television and radio need corporate donations to run their operations.

This inherent conflict of interest greatly limits and/or distorts the scope of allowable debate virtually always skewing toward the conservative aka: corporate point of view.

In the meantime the American People's best interests are ignored and the citizenry sold down the river to consumerville as the corporate media fiddles for corporations, while the nation burns.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

[bvar22]

14. K&R for Bill Moyers,

a Hero & a Patriot!
:patriot:

Even MSNBC contributes to the paradigm.
By default, they are designated as The Left,
but on the spectrum, they are Pro Corporate establishment.

The IS No Voice of The Left in mainstream American Media.


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will stand up for working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone


"By their works you will know them."

[russspeakeasy]

15. "saturatd with right wing radicals" "opinions from Washington"

If someone paid you $1 million dollars a year to say bad things about someone you didn't know or care about, would you, could you?
Money is the only voice that will be heard and it's been that way for a long time. The money is more concentrated now. And it's in bad hands.

[StarburstClock]

16. The narrow paradigm props up pathological liars as the "other side", it's absurd

It's common knowledge that theories like "trickle down" are false and yet the media constantly props up insane liars to say the opposite, just like the whole "birther" garbage and every other thing that ever spews from a conservative's mouth. The propaganda media is so successful that they don't even care about truth, they think the truth is what they can sell.

To use an old expression, it's FUBAR.

[upi402]

19. It can't be said too often

Moyers rocks!:patriot:

[hulka38]

20. Thanks kpete n/t

[saras]

21. Two parties for two kinds of people

There are people who take overt pleasure in the humiliation, degradation, and torture of those weaker than themselves.

There are people who understand these things must be done, but prefer an elegant veil of hypocrisy across the front of them.

That makes up your two political parties.

And then there are the rest of us.

[WinkyDink]

23. Gee, you mean someone misses the BABY BOOMER Dissenters and Hippies and Yippies and Radicals?

[colsohlibgal]

25. He's 100 % Correct

It's a complete joke because it is childishly easy to point out the hypocrisy and graft in our system, Jon Stewart and Colbert do it brilliantly 4 nights a week. They put "Face The Nation" and "Meet The Press" to shame - and do it on Comedy Central, what's wrong with this picture?

[valerief]

26. Too bad no one will hear him saying that. nt

[leftstreet]

28. K&R

[Overseas]

29. K&R and Many Thanks !

[alp227]

30. true about commercial TV, but at least PBS and NPR **try** to buck the establishment

For example, an education panel in a February edition of the new PBS newsmagazine Need to Know included a teacher, parent, and administrator. How far removed from the Washington offices of the Department of Education is that?

That same month, Randi Weingarten of the American Federation of Teachers appeared on the NewsHour to discuss the Wisconsin public employee collective bargaining bill.

Last week or so, the NewsHour interviewed Vinetta Anand of the AFL-CIO Office of Investment for an analysis of rising corporate executive pay. AFL-CIO head Richard Trumka appeared on NewsHour in March.

I appreciate Moyers' comments and enjoyed watching his Journal show during its finishing run last year and still watch its successor Need to Know regularly. PBS covers stories that often the commercial networks skip. And the NewsHour knows how to be a real news program, unlike the jokes of "evening news" on commercial network. Case in point: on November 16, 2010, the NewsHour led with a story about Congressional hearings on foreclosures, which ABC, CBS, and NBC all skipped but found time to have full stories about Kate Middleton getting engaged to Prince William! (PBS buried that story in the summarized "news wrap" section.)

[defendandprotect]

31. There's a story about Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich --

where, if I recall it correctly, Newt is on a high re their win over

"Peace" and a "Surplus" in the Clinton/Dem administration and Bill asks

Newt why the Repugs lied so much about that -- etal --

Newt resplies -- "If we told the truth, we would have lost!" --


50 years and more of rightwing political violence have brought the right to power --

When they couldn't actually get away with any more assassinations -- they turned to

organized stealing of elections -- i.e., the electronic voting machines -- and the

LARGE computers used by MSM -- the corporate--press!!

Those LARGE computers gave the corporate-press new powers to PREDICT and CALL elections --

to PREDICT and CALL Electoral College Votes -- to DECLARE WINNERS and LOSERS --

to CALL states for presidential candidates --

What we saw in 2000 was merely a REVERSAL of those new powers --


"The myth of a free press died with the assassination of Pres. John F. Kennedy" --


It's not only about keeping truth from the public -- it's also about creating a view of

a violent society which they began quickly after '63 --

And after a half century of oppression and overturning of the New Deal, the stresses and

poverty are doing great harm to our society. A GOP "third world America" is coming to life!!




Now we have to do something about it -- !!

[HughBeaumont]

33. K & R, except for one thing . . .

When he says the voice of the libertarian, does he mean the social libertarian or the "libertarians" that are nothing more than Laissez-Failist, Pro-Job-offshoring, anti-labor Reaganites - "teh Jesus" + weed (the "weed" part, of course, not being as prominent)?

Because that voice is represented quite often on CNBC in the form of Heritage and Cato wonks. Yet at that point, might as well call a shovel a shovel and say they're "Denial-icans".

[Hubert Flottz]

34. The right wing radicals are on TV all the time.