12 years ago, I was a project manager for a Y2K company

[Ohio Joe]

One of the places I went to often was in Anaheim, CA, I had about 40 contractors there working for Colonial Insurance. I came down one morning on my way into work and was stopped by the hotel manager. He knew me because we always had a lot of guys there and the bill was always on my card. He pulled me aside and told me that one of my guys had come out of his bathroom naked and tried to grab the maid, fortunately, she got out before he did. Without hesitation, I told him he should call the police and press charges. He told me they had decided they were not going to do that but they did not want the guy to stay or ever come back. I told him that would not be a problem, close out the room, he would not be back. I went to work, found the guy, escorted him out and told him he was fired. I brought him back to the hotel and made him wait outside while I went in for his bags. I gave them to him and told him to fuck off. I also canceled his return flight.

I never did even try to find out if what I did was legal, I did not then and do not now care.

I have no idea what happened to the guy and I don't care.

I did meet with the maid and gave her my apologies.

I assured my entire crew that if anything like that ever happened again that I would see to it that they were prosecuted. Fortunately, it never did happen again.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Good for you, my dear Ohio Joe...

If more people acted the way you did, we would have fewer problems with that sort of thing.

Recommended.

[FLPanhandle]

2. You are cool.

and have my respect.

[RagAss]

3. Yeh...that's a once in a career kind of thing I guess...

Saw a lot of rude behavior during my 30 years in IT...drunk co-workers at parties and gatherings after work...but never to the level of that. You handled it well.

[Schema Thing]

4. How did you determine his guilt?

[Ohio Joe]

6. It was simple

I decided that this woman had no reason to lie, she wanted nothing more then for the guy to not have another chance to harm her while she worked. That was good enough for me.

[LoZoccolo]

10. What if it was for not leaving a tip? n/t

[Ohio Joe]

18. No

I paid all the bills and always tipped well. We had had people there for over three years and were known.

[Schema Thing]

11. how did you determine she "had no reason to lie"?

[Ohio Joe]

19. Because my common sense won out - nt

[verdalaven]

25. Ohio Joe never heard from him again

Or his Attorney. That right there speaks volumes.

[Ohio Joe]

26. Nor did my company...

or the hotel... or the maid. It does speak volumes.

[Schema Thing]

31. but that is after the fact. I asked how he "determined", not how he

verified his actions.


Maybe the guy admitted it for all I know; I'm just curious because that part is left out of the story and we are left with a story that makes it sound as if one person's story was accepted as true arbitrarily and another person convicted just as arbitrarily.


ps... please don't feel the need to respond with an overly literal reading of my use of "convicted" in the sentence above.

[DefenseLawyer]

12. Everyone has reasons to lie sometimes.

I'm not at all saying she lied, I have no idea. In fact, I will assume she was telling the truth, or you and your company and the hotel would probably still be in court. But I can tell you I have handled scores of rape and molestation cases, and among those that turned out to be false accusations, most of the accusers seemed at a glance to have "no reason to lie".

[TheMadMonk]

15. "A lot turn out to be false."? Or "A lot can't be distinguised one way or the...

...other."?

Big fooking difference.

[DefenseLawyer]

16. I know some of you refuse to acknowledge it

but yes, there are sexual assault and molestation accusations that turn out to be false. Not ambiguous, not unprovable, but totally false. And I didn't say "a lot turn out to be false". What I said was that AMONG THOSE that do turn out to be be false a lot were made by a person that appeared at first to have no reason to lie.

[Ohio Joe]

20. Our experiences differ - nt

[DefenseLawyer]

23. In what respect?

What exactly are your experiences in such matters, other than this one?

[Ohio Joe]

24. I have known a lot of women that have been raped or sexually assaulted

and not one of them ever turned out to have been a liar. I do not doubt they exist but not in my experience.

[DefenseLawyer]

27. Google "McMartin Preschool"

or "The Innocence Project". There is nothing to debate regarding the fact that false accusations are made and at other times victims mistakenly name the wrong person as their attacker. It happens. I'm not suggesting it happened here or that it happens "a lot", only that it happens and one's instant take on someone having a "reason to lie" or not may not always turn out to be accurate.

[Ohio Joe]

28. I am aware of those

I have never denied it can happen, nor will I. I stand by what I did and if ever I have to do it again, I will give the benefit of the doubt to the victim again. Should I be wrong, I will stand up to it.

Theres Ohio Joe for you... Not everyone loves him... and he just does not give a shit.

[DefenseLawyer]

29. Given that you will not likely be in that situation again

I'd say you're in no danger of making any serious mistakes with that policy. However, your practice of referring to yourself in the 3rd person, by your DU nickname no less, that you might want to rethink.

[Ohio Joe]

30. meh

Seeing as I've ever only done it once, I'll not worry about that either.

[niyad]

5. good for you!!! and thank you for looking after that woman's well-being

[RKP5637]

7. And that's called taking responsibility and handling a situation. Unfortunately not too

many people today take responsibility and appropriately handle situations. Excellent job!!!

[Diclotican]

8. Ohio Joe

Ohio Joe

You did the right thing

Diclotican

[steve2470]

9. That was cool you did that, kudos for you ! nt

[Initech]

13. I probably would've done the same thing.

[Odin2005]

14. Good job.

[Snotcicles]

17. Come to find out the maid gave the manager the wrong room number. nt

[Ohio Joe]

21. Reaching?

Just a bit?

[Canuckistanian]

22. It's really simple, isn't it?

There are lines one does not cross. Ever.