Why are we rushing to defend an anti choice woman who wants to shut down planned parenthood?

[fried eggs]

:shrug:

Do you think for one moment she would defend one of us?

[closeupready]

1. K&R

nt

[LynneSin]

2. who?

:shrug:

[fried eggs]

6. The woman who we threw Ed, one of our own,

Under the bus for.

[LynneSin]

12. Then call her vile or destestable or a slew of other words that are non-sexist

We can show our anger without being sexist or racist or homophobic.

[Dawson Leery]

3. Because the "professional left" would rather take

a hollow ("moral") victory than a real victory.

[sudopod]

11. Ya'll keep on carrying on about the scare-quoted "professional left"

What does that even mean? Can you post a link to them or something?

[w4rma]

13. Ask Obama's communications director. (nt)

[kenfrequed]

45. Feh

This is more about the politically expedient centrists trying to look like they are doing something. Ed is a bit flawed at times but he has been critical of some of the administrations failings. Make no mistake, if he were a cheerleader he would have been totally safe.

[hobbit709]

4. Because jumping someone for saying something nonPC is more important

Than any amount of truth in the statement.

[seabeyond]

5. it has nothing to do with the woman. who gives a fuck about her. everything to do with misogynism

and eds lack of professionalism.

it has nothing to do with whether someone else name calls or apologizes.

pretty simple.

my kids knew this at a really young age. surprised as shit we have GROWN UPS that dont get it.

[closeupready]

10. that's true. One can be easily confused whether

the defense here is of Ingraham or of common decency.

[Name removed]

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[Ohio Joe]

41. You not only miss the point but go over the line just as Ed did

Shameful.

[seabeyond]

47. ty ohio joe. i would think a post would be deleted, calling a poster a bitch. and

you are right, i was not calling ed a misogynist.

[seabeyond]

46. are you calling me a bitch? no wonder you do not "get" why it is wrong to call a woman a slut.

and your interpretation of what i said was wrong.

[RaleighNCDUer]

48. Well, obviously, per your post #47 above, I was not referring to you.

Right?

[seabeyond]

53. the manner you interpretated my post, per your deleted post, left it in question

hence, me asking.

[RaleighNCDUer]

66. I was trying, in my inimitable fashion, to show that calling someone

a misogynist - a woman hater - is no different than calling someone a bitch - a man hater.

I was trying to show that words are just words - and their interpretations vary in accordance with who is using them and how they are being used.

'Slut' does not denigrate all women any more than 'prick' denigrates all men, and either can be meant and in fact are usually meant with no sexual implications - they comment on character.

I only intended it personally insofar as to cause you to pause and think about how YOU are using words in just the same way Ed did. So no, I was not calling you a bitch.

Thanks for the exchange.

[seabeyond]

67. ah... thanks for the clarification. i dont agree that misogynist is the same as bitch

a female dog in heat, or slut... a sexually promiscuous woman.

i wasnt declaring ed a misogynist, it is misogynist language/mentality. words have always mattered to me. i chose them well, because they do matter, to me.

i dont think it is professional. i expect professional from our people representing us. old fashion, maybe, but my expectation. he apologized. i understand well. that is good enough

we disagree that it is not a gender jab

but i appreciate your clarification. i can see that thinking.

[seabeyond]

68. dupe

[pipi_k]

50. Oh cool!!!

I guess that also means that anybody who calls a black person a "Ni**er" isn't really a racist.

Because, you know...words like "Ni**er" and "Whore" and "Slut" and "Fa**ot", etc., well, they just have a way of popping out of the mouths of people who aren't racist or sexist or homophobic.

Yay!!!

I'm so glad we have that straightened out!



:eyes:

[Brickbat]

7. .

[Zax2me]

8. We aren't. We are defending women.

And as such, she qualifies as one. But isn't she in particular that is being defensed.

[fried eggs]

17. And if we lose Ed it will be a hollow victory

No doubt, she will continue her anti female rants and we'll have one less voice in the media.

[wickerwoman]

9. Because the next time Rush Limbaugh calls Rachel Maddow a whore

we'll still have a leg to stand on when we call him out on it.

This is not about Laura Ingraham.

It's about us. Our integrity. Our principles. What we do and what we don't do.

[LynneSin]

16. Thank you! I can't understand how DUers still think it's ok to use the word 'slut' like that

Or that we should be a bunch of crazies using homophobic/racist/sexist words.

The fact is this - the MSNBC primetime shows are gaining ratings and have strong sponsers. People like Beck and Limbaugh are losing their markets and major sponsers.

The vile right-wingers are paying for their hurtful words, the thing is - we are the ones making the impact when their Right-wing owners refuse to do anything.

[Bake]

43. Who did Rachel sell out to?

We know Ingraham whored herself to Big Business. I doubt Rachel's getting the kind of trick money that Laura is.

So there's the difference. One of them is not a whore, one IS.

Bake

[Marr]

44. As if anything will happen to Limbaugh, whether we have a leg to stand on or not.

Principled people have been complaining about men like Limbaugh for years. It doesn't matter.

For myself, I will attack people who are against me, period. If some right-wing asshole feels offended, let them complain for themselves.

[Dawson Leery]

63. We are in agreement.

:hug:

[bemildred]

14. We don't think name calling is a good basis for political debate. nt

[ZombieHorde]

33. I wish this was true. How often do you see "repuke" on DU? nt

[bobbolink]

15. That's one of the best attempts to conflate two unrelated pieces I have ever seen.

Congratulations for completely missing the point.

[LynneSin]

18. And thank you for pointing out the obvious - I was just about to say the same exact thing

I still can't believe people are justifying using sexist remarks.

[TreasonousBastard]

19. We're not. It's just the nonissue du jour to waste a thousand posts on.

[damntexdem]

20. Who is? Not me. The use of the term "slut" was wrong, and Ed acknowledged it.

That has absolutely nothing to do with Laura nor what she is.

[Warpy]

21. I'm not defending her

because she's indefensible. I'm telling Schultz to watch his mouth next time, that some words are unacceptable coming from a man talking about a woman. It's like a white person calling a black person the tacky and dreaded n-word.

I'm not throwing him under a bus or boycotting his advertisers or anything else. I'm just asking for some manners.

"Skank" would have been much more appropriate. He knows nothing about her sex life, after all, at least we hope he doesn't.

[RaleighNCDUer]

38. Never mind that he DIDN'T call her a slut -

he called her a "talk-slut" which has about as much in common with promiscuity as "political whore" does with selling sex.

And what, exactly, do you think the difference is between 'skank' and 'slut' - I always thought skank referred to a really nasty slut.

[Warpy]

40. Actually, it's more sleazy and low class

qualities she has in great abundance.

[DirkGently]

22. Because liberals don't excuse bad behavior with the bad behavior of others?

[polmaven]

23. We are NOT "defending"

Laura Ingraham as such. We are commenting on sexism and misogyny on the whole. There is a BIG difference.

[demmiblue]

24. Whoosh! n/t

[Upton]

25. You tell me...then we'll both know

Actually, I believe it's called "eating your own"..something the left has proved to be remarkably good at...

[seabeyond]

26. what is eating your own is not acknowledging ed gave his apology and time to move on

that he accepts and knows he lacks professionalism and is going to do better. that you are willing to throw principle and integrity under the bus for something so very stupid.

[Upton]

28. Ed gave his apology under duress...

I highly doubt that he's changed his mind. And that you are willing to kiss some Repub's butt just because she's a woman, is, IMO, "so very stupid"...

[seabeyond]

31. your assumption or suggestion i am kissing anyones butt is wrong. that simple. you have no issue

what so ever reducing women to sluts, i understand that. i have not heard one respectful post from you when it comes to women, i understand that, too. thankfully there are many people that dont accept sexist and racist remarks and will call them out. and some people realize they made an oooops and apologize for it.

your chip is your own. we dont all live in the gutter with you

[Upton]

34. My SO would disagree with your assertion

that I'm not respectful to women....but then again, she doesn't share your views on sexual politics, which seem to come straight out of the Dworkin/MacKinnon playbook..

Anyway, do have a nice day, and remember you're not always a victim.....now if you'll excuse me, I have to head back to the gutter now..

[seabeyond]

35. ha ha. nt

[LadyHawkAZ]

60. I bet you have black friends too

And know a gay guy at work.

[joeglow3]

69. Zing,,,,

[pipi_k]

55. OMG Poor Ed!!! Someone held a gun to his head?????

Oh wait...no.

People just expected him to act like a man of class. You know...a mature adult.

[RC]

27. Is she or isn't she?

Was Ed's choice of words correct? I don't mean PC correct, I mean actually correct. Does it fit? We all know if a right dinger said the same thing about a Liberal woman, they'd get away with it.
Also if he called, say Beck a 'dickhead' or 'pimp' or something along that line, we also know he'd most likely be getting away with it.

So, I ask again, "Is she or isn't she?" If no, then Ed is out of line. If she is, what's the problem?
Unlike Republicans, for Liberals, words have meaning that can be looked up in a dictionary.

[av8rdave]

29. What we are defending is us being better than those mouthpieces on the right

[slackmaster]

30. It's the result of cognitive dissonance

As is most apparent hypocrisy and inconsistency in peoples' behavior.

[madrchsod]

32. ? who`s defending laura?

ed said something that was out of bounds and was "punished". laura has accepted the apology.

time to move on...there`s more important things to do.

[Warren Stupidity]

36. because we are impotent to advance our agenda

we do what we can: we join gleefully in the circle-jerk to devour our own.

[EFerrari]

39. No one is defending her. n/t

[fishwax]

42. who is defending her?

:shrug:

[Puregonzo1188]

49. Because you don't get to call a woman a slut because you disagree with her.

Why are people at DU having a hard time with this?

[tammywammy]

54. +1 n/t

[seabeyond]

58. +1

i just really love the men that this does not challenge at all.

love yas

[DearAbby]

51. Who is defending her?

Defend the right for women to have respect. PERIOD. END OF SENTENCE.

[Posteritatis]

52. Because some of us are smart enough not to buy into ridiculous false dilemmas. (nt)

[dsc]

56. If

someone called Clarence Thomas the n word, I would speak out. If someone called Alberto Gonzoles a spic, I would speak out. If someone called Elaine Chao a chinc I would speak out. If someone called the head of GOProud a fag, I would speak out. Why shouldn't I speak out when someone calls Laura Ingram a slut?

[pipi_k]

57. Lots of interesting justifications here...

for thinking it's OK for anyone on the Democrats side to lob nasty names at women.

One of my favorites is...

"Beeecccauuuuse....THEY do it too!!!"


Kind of makes me wonder what else is OK as long as others are doing it too...

Geez...I saw a guy stealing money out of tip jar...I'm gonna do it too!

Other people are speeding...why can't I speed too???

OK, kids...your little friends are acting like wild animals, spitting and throwing shit all over the classroom. You go ahead and do it too!


Apparently any kind of behavior is dandy as long as someone else is doing the same thing. "Fighting fire with fire" is how I saw one person call it.

sigh...

[seabeyond]

61. "Beeecccauuuuse....THEY do it too!!!" that one made me laguh first 20 threads

i heard it on this morning, drinking my coffee, waking up, seeing the outrage that ed dared to apologize. like geeez

my kids know better.

[pipi_k]

65. I know...reminded me of

what possibly every mom says to her kids...


"Well if your friends jumped off a cliff I suppose you would do it too?"

:7

[LadyHawkAZ]

59. Because...

Her opinions are irrelevant because they are vile, disgusting and harmful to other human beings. They are not irrelevant because of her sexuality or gender.

Is that really such a hard concept to grasp?

[City Lights]

62. I'm not.

She's a vile woman. AFAIK, anyone can say whatever they want about her. She's an adult and can use her acid tongue to defend herself.

[robcon]

64. Ed's comment was vile and he deserved to be suspended.

n/t