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rsmith6621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 09:20 PM Original message |
Largest-ever U.S. dam removal set to begin on Elwha River |
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stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. This is great, and way overdue. |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 09:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. and a bad day for renewable energy. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 09:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. What do you mean by that? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. There's no free lunch. |
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stevedeshazer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. True, but as of now the northwest has an energy surplus. |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Or the Deception pass, tidal current generators |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 11:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Real electricity can't be replaced by hypothetical solutions. |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 09:12 AM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Oh. the hypothetical Tidal generates in Coos Bay ? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. You have a plan to get that power from Scotland to Port Angeles? |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Wrong! no impact on wildlife,, a Tidal Generator is nothing like a Dam |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Setting aside the environmental issues, they're hypothetical for another reason |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 11:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. nevermind |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 11:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Save the Northwest Tree Octopus |
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Snoutport (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. +8 |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
3. Yay!!!! |
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cilla4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #3 |
29. The Tribes are usually in the forefront |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. We have an inetresting |
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cilla4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 08:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. That IS interesting.. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
7. wonder how much it has to do with the yuppification of the peninsula. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. They've been discussing this for 20 years or more. n/t |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. They've been discussing lots of things for a long time. I asked a simple question. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 09:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. There have been a lot of changes around here because of yuppification. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 11:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. are you actually advocating against endangered Salmon? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-28-11 11:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. you inferred that -- from what? as you don't live here, you may not get what i'm talking about. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 12:01 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. yes i do live here and you are advocating against Salmon |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 12:13 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. where is "here" and how long have you lived "here"? PA used to be working class central. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 12:31 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. well it was done for Salmon, not protection of yuppies. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 01:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. ah, i see. you live in california. and nowhere did i advocate against salmon. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 02:42 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. can you tell me what you meant by it then? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. There are many counties in WA which bear very little resemblance to 30 years ago. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 02:16 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Wrong question...i asked her what she meant about Salmon in her statement |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. which are part of "the peninsula". but whidbey & camano were the site of |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. i didn't mean so much, actually. just a general musing over the fact that a lot |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Well "Retreats" are now pretty much confined to the upper middle and upper classes |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 04:08 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. and if you think environmental law is applied neutrally, you're dreaming. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 04:40 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Is far, far northern California "yuppie"? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 04:50 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. northern california is one of the poorest regions in the country? which area are you speaking of? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 05:17 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. klamath river region...here... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 05:47 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. lol. jefferson county basically = port townsend, & it's not poor. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 06:28 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. you've forgotten your point already (but Mason county also has the same median) |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. you said northern cal was one of the poorest regions in the country. it's not. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. freakin waste of time |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. you are actually leaping to unwarranted conclusions, but you're not alone at DU. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. did i say "far, far Northern California" or not? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. here's what you said: "far far northern california....one of the poorest regions in the country." |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. The Elwah dams are in Clallam county. |
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oldlib (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. When I lived in Port Angeles |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
33. the fish are protected by a few laws |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 05:01 AM Response to Reply #33 |
41. then why aren't they blowing up all the dams on the columbia? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 06:31 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. is that your hypothesis? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. i think that land usage patterns are much different along the columbia and elwha, |
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Snoutport (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #12 |
28. The damn only powers 1700 homes. I'd like to say the salmon are worth more than that |
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oldlib (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-29-11 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
24. As a teenager |
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