Enough!!! If your dog kills someone, especially your own child,

[apples and oranges]

you deserve the death penalty! I don't care if your dog is a pit bull or chi hua hua. And I don't care what "provoked" the attack. I've read about at least 5 different toddlers being mauled to death by killer dogs over the past few weeks.

Enough! Get your mutts under control or you should face something similar to what your dog's victim went through!! :mad:

Or maybe we should start requiring licenses to make sure only the right people become dog owners!?

[SDuderstadt]

1. Huh? n/t

[palmtree guy]

2. same should go for

people who drive drunk and cause a wreck that results in a fatality. or ANYBODY who causes a fatality!!

[meow mix]

3. who exactly are you speaking to? id be suprised to find a DUer who is not a responsible dog owner.

inflammatory enough?

[apples and oranges]

5. I guess I'm just venting. I'm sick of all the toddler deaths

I've been reading about!

[RegieRocker]

8. Stereotyping that all du'ers are responsible is unsound.

[AngryAmish]

68. Every dog owner says they are a responsible dog owner.

Just like almost every person thinks they are a better than average driver.

[Codeine]

4. CALL YOUR FUCKING CONGRESSMAN RIGHT NOW!!

:hide:

[madinmaryland]

46. RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!

[Bake]

83. I'M SERIES!!

Right fucking now!

:hi:

Bake

[underseasurveyor]

56. heh

One of my all time favorite responses. Makes me chuckle everytime.

[Jeanette in FL]

67. Me Too

All time favorite response

RIP - OMC

[LynneSin]

78. Oh sure, it's all about the chuckle until a DUer yells at you for saying it

Not kidding.

Happened to me.

Guess what - I still love it and use it. It's a DU classic!

[underseasurveyor]

80. Heehee I say let them yell

I'm still laughing :spray:

You and I have been here long enough to truly appreciate The Home-team Classics :toast:

Screw em if they can't take a joke :evilgrin:

[LynneSin]

77. Don't say that, last time I did I got thrashed by a DUer who claims the owner was upset we say that

:eyes:

[Doctor Hurt]

6. dogs are, in their origin, killing machines

That's why we adopted wolves. And genetically engineered them to imprint onto us. But they remain loaded guns, and perhaps more stringent licensing requirements should be in order, at least for some breeds.

[johnaries]

15. Obviously, you know nothing about dogs. nt

[Motown_Johnny]

24. Dogs are carnivores, of course their origins lie as "killing machines"

I admit that it can be bred out of them to some extent. Every lab I have owned has failed to attack animals they have cornered (rabbits, possums etc.). They just don't have that instinct any more.


Other breeds still do. Most lie somewhere in between. The dog I have now was fast enough to catch squirrels in her youth. If I could get her to drop them then the poor things would still run away after being caught. If another dog ran up and tried to take it from her (I had 2 for a while there) then she would clamp down on it and the poor thing would die. (The dog I am referring to is a black lab mix who looked like a black lab when I took her in as a stray puppy)


The idea that dogs don't qualify as "killing machines" is just wrong. Maybe some are further from their origins than others but they are all still carnivores.

[Doremus]

47. No they're not.

They're omnivores.

Your example of your own dog killing a squirrel only demonstrates that you failed to train it adequately. Period.

[Motown_Johnny]

57. dogs are not omnivores

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog

^snip^


The domestic dog (Canis lupus familiaris<3> and Canis lupus dingo<1><2>) is a domesticated form of the gray wolf, a member of the Canidae family of the order Carnivora.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivora


^snip^

The diverse order Carnivora ( /kɑrˈnɪvərə/ or /ˌkɑrnɪˈvɔərə/; from Latin carō (stem carn-) "flesh", + vorāre "to devour") includes over 260 species of placental mammals. Its members are formally referred to as carnivorans, while the word "carnivore" (often popularly applied to members of this group) can refer to any meat-eating animal

[flvegan]

58. (facepalm)

[a la izquierda]

66. Some dogs will never have that hunt instinct..

bred out of them. I have one of those dogs (he's a Hungarian Viszla). We have to be super careful with him. He has learned to ignore squirrels and my neighbors chickens. He does not care about dogs smaller than him (his brother dog is a 4 pound Chihuahua that we found last summer). He does not like cats, though he's getting better with cats he's familiar with (including the stray cat we feed).
However, he can never be let free in our yard, because there is not a stockade fence. He must be tied out and never left unattended even for a minute. We have put him through rigorous behavior training. He gets regular exercise. Luckily, he's getting older and as he gets older, he's gotten mellower and more obedient. When I move into an apartment in August, I actually think his life will improve because he will get twice daily runs.
Dogs are, we forget, animals. They can do things we often can't predict. Humans must try to control the animals best we can, and then handle the situations that arise when the dogs misbehave.

[adigal]

74. Vislas are not your typical dog - very strong, tough breed

Not recommended for the average dog owner or family. Dogs like this, and pits and German Shepherds, and Dobermans and Rottweillers and many others, can be dangerous in the wrong hands. You are doing everything right, especially realizing what your dog was bred for.

[a la izquierda]

79. They're so ornery...

training my dog has been a real pain, but he's gotten a lot better over time. And we're pretty sure he's mixed with boxer, so he's not the sharpest tack in the box if you know what I mean.

[Motown_Johnny]

75. I agree, your dog has had that instinct bred into him for far to long

My point was that some breeds are not like that. Others are. I tend to own retrievers because they are not bred to kill but to retrieve what has been killed (usually birds) without damaging it.


They just don't have that killer instinct. It has been bred out of them.

[Doctor Hurt]

30. dogs have fangs. dogs have claws

dogs evolved to kill things, tear them apart, and gulp the flesh down in large chunks.

What part of that is incorrect?

[hfojvt]

81. because living things are not machines

dogs spend much of their time not killing things too, especially things in their own pack, and dogs are part of the human pack.

[Doctor Hurt]

82. sure they are

living things are just machines that happened through a combination of natural selection and happy accident. Machines we haven't totally figured out yet.

Of course dogs are capable of other things besides killing, though. Any successful organism should be a swiss army knife of sorts. But they are still optimized for killing.

[yardwork]

41. So are humans. /nt

[Doctor Hurt]

69. no doubt. So don't keep humans as pets.

.

[RegieRocker]

7. Certain types of dogs should require a permit to own with heavy

regulations. They should most definitely lose everything they own in a civil suit and never again allowed to own a known type of dangerous animal.

[Marrah_G]

61. I agree and I am a dog lover

[flvegan]

9. Concern is duly noted.

[villager]

10. And if your Congressperson is killing children, by funding unauthorized war

...what then?

:shrug:

[Morning Dew]

11. If the dog kills a child

do you think both parents should get the death penalty or only one of them?

What about other kids in the family? They may have had a hand in the dog's training.

You could wipe out a whole family over a tragedy.


I'd kill off the whole neighborhood - it takes a community to raise a dog, after all.


(typo edit)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

13. well said.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

12. ok. so someones dog goes crazy and they lose their child

and you want to kill the parents? why?

[reggie the dog]

14. if some kid hops the fence and my pug mauls them to death

i am gonna go down for murder? are you crazy?

[bluestate10]

17. I would convict you of manslaughter, minimum.

The kid hopped the fence, but you have the obligation of controlling the dog, even on your property.

[reggie the dog]

19. what?

if my dog is out in the yard while i am not home, out in OUR YARD, and someone tresspasses and is mauled then you would convict me of manslaughter? i have to control my dog against a tresspasser? against someone uninvited? i guess that blows the whole concept of guard dogs

[Bladian]

31. Are you frickin' serious?

Even if the owner isn't home? Really?

[bluestate10]

43. Yes. It is the responsibility of dog owners to have their dogs restrained, even if not at home.

If the dog has the capacity to kill and the owner is remotely aware of that capacity, not restraining the dog to prevent a lethal attack is criminal. If the dog was reasonably restrained and the kid went to within the restraint area, the dog mauling the kid would not expose the owner to criminal penalties.

[bluestate10]

44. Yes. If there was no reasonable effort made to restrain the dog, the mauling would be a criminal

act that the dog's owner would be liable for. Even on the owner's property.

[flvegan]

54. Thank the legal gods you aren't any sort of judge.

Your logic in this case borders on lunacy.

[Lance_Boyle]

73. A fence is a proper restraint.

Kid climbs the fence and gets mauled? Kid/kid's parents are at fault, not the responsible person who put up the fence in the first place.

[Forkboy]

34. There's a shock.

[yardwork]

42. Would you say that enacting such a law has a higher or lower priority than gay rights?

[bluestate10]

45. Animal restraint laws already exist. They have nothing to do with gay rights. nt

[yardwork]

65. You said "minimum conviction of manslaughter." That would require new laws.

The pug in the theoretical case was restrained. The toddler climbed over the fence, so failure to restrain isn't an issue.

You stated that in the theoretical case of a toddler climbing over a fence to access private property and then being mauled to death by a pug restricted to the yard should result, in your opinion, in a minimum charge of manslaughter.

This would require new laws to be passed, and I'm asking you where you place the importance of such a law compared to say, passage of equal rights legislation.

[Forkboy]

50. LOL

+1

[flvegan]

53. ROFL!!

[Wind Dancer]

52. Yikes!!!

Shakes head in disbelief!

[Abq_Sarah]

63. The kid's parents are the ones who need to be charged

With failure to control their spawn.

[PeaceNikki]

70. lolz

[Crunchy Frog]

16. Same thing if it's your gun.

[reggie the dog]

20. so if a toddler and their parent break into my house while i am not

home and the kid finds a gun and kills themself or my dog mauls them then i should be done up for murder because i didnt protect tresspassers from the things in my house?

[fishwax]

18. wow, that's ridiculous

"you deserve the death penalty!"

No.

[MH1]

21. potential criminal charges, yes. death penalty, no effin way.

and if a kid is mauled because he climbed over a fence into someone else's yard, it's probably the kids parents who should be considered for charges.

if someone lets their animal run loose on public property and the animal harms someone, the owner should be charged appropriately per the damage done.

[Heidi]

22. Unrec. The death penalty is more about vengeance than justice.

Obviously, I care more about one than the other.

[auntAgonist]

23. amen Heidi! thank you.

[Forkboy]

35. I'm so pissed at things dying I want to kill something!

DU is funny. :hi:

[neverforget]

39. awesome summation of the OP

[La Lioness Priyanka]

36. ..

:loveya:

[benEzra]

25. Annual dog-bite deaths, ~30. Annual bee-sting deaths, ~50.

I agree with holding dog owners accountable for negligence and/or intentional attacks, but keep in mind that the media have a huge profit motive to hype every potential danger far beyond its actual prevalence. Fear sells.

[Name removed]

26. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Shagbark Hickory]

27. What if a child kills a dog? Same penalty I suppose?

[demwing]

28. whatever

throw them in jail, put the dog down, but what in the world are you thinking about death penalty for? That's not justice, its vengeance.

[City Lights]

29. Unrec for hysteria. nt

[Locrian]

32. hell lets not stop there...

Hey if you're son / daughter kills someone... off to the gas chamber with you...

[Forkboy]

33. This place gets crazier by the day.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

37. imagine a couple has 2 kids and a dog. the dog kills one kid.

society then leaves the second kid orphaned, cos we decided that parents must be killed, to make up for the childs death.

how wonderful is this society to live in?

[snagglepuss]

38. I share your anger. Pure ignorant negligence. Both those parents deserve lengthy sentences.

[proud patriot]

40. eek !

x(

[Lucian]

48. A dog kills a toddler, so you should die.

What kind of fucked up justice is that?

[Sky Masterson]

49. Or maybe not

Chill.Smoke a joint.Let go of the anger(It clouds your judgment). Breathe. That's better(And no one else has to die). :D

[Manifestor_of_Light]

51. Across the street, an accident waiting to happen.

People across the street. Two little kids. Four medium sized dogs.
One person in the household works at the dollar store.
Everybody else sits outside on the porch with their laptops.

[canetoad]

55. Big fat unrec

for advocating DP while the rest of the civilised world is discarding it.

[Canuckistanian]

59. Basta!

Abbasso Doggies!

[Marrah_G]

60. We just got an 8 week old Alaskan Malaute

She starts training shortly with every member of the household because if she thinks she is higher then any human on the pecking order then she is dangerous and potentially lethal. She would never be left alone with a child. I think, personally, that the reason you see so many pit bull deaths is that they are cheap and available. People can buy them on a whim without regard to what it takes to own breeds like this. There is a reason that so many big breeds end up in shelters and that reason is human ignorance.

These dogs are not babies or children or human- they are DOGS and people need to be educated on what it takes to own one BEFORE they are allowed to have them.

[Lucky Luciano]

62. Nominating for stupidest thread of the day! nt

[PeaceNikki]

71. I concur. Rifuckingdiculous.

For like 12 reasons.

[WatsonT]

64. What if your dog kills someone elses dog

whose owner should be put down?

What if it was a cat instead?

[adigal]

72. That's totally ridiculous! No one purposely lets their dog

harm a child. I run a dog rescue, and I have to say that most people are guilty of trusting dogs too much, though. They are animals!! But that is no reason to say that the owners should be mauled to death. Just absurd.

[dionysus]

76. cah-raazzzzyyyy