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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 09:41 AM Original message |
Exclusive: Obama's Secret Afghan Exit Formula |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
1. This sounds good to me... at least making some progress towards getting out of that hellhole.. |
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rusty fender (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
29. Ever hear of a guy called "Baghdad Bob"? |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. ever heard of a... |
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rusty fender (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #34 |
58. touche' |
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Citizen Worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
33. Just a reminder: Nixon ran on a "secret plan" in 1968 and again in 1972. Beware of secret plans. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
44. Except we won't be. 3 and a half years is not an exit plan. |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #44 |
60. ""VP Biden along with NSC Adviser Tom Donilon mark the center—there is no left." |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
2. Obama needs to fire anyone even remotely connected to the... |
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Plucketeer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
35. That would be a start |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
3. Isn't 30,000 the number he "surged?" Better than nothing, but... |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. 30,000 was his second surge. His first surge was 26,000. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 08:26 AM Response to Reply #5 |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
4. What bullshit. Quit trying to satisy the war-forevers. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 08:27 AM Response to Reply #4 |
55. Shhhh, stop injecting facts into the conversation. What did I tell you about that? |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
6. so he's bringing the 'surge' down? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 10:00 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. It sounds like he's only bringing the surge down over the course |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. My prediction: 5,000 will come out this summer. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 11:32 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Yeah, and it will be hyped like World War II ended. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. 5,000 would less than 10% of the forces he escalated. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. I'm aware. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. It's ridiculous. Even suggesting that would satisfy the 'quick exiters'. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Well, it will satisfy the "reasonable" ones. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 07:28 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. How right you are. Sad but true. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
28. To those who still support Obama, a promise of future action is all they require. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. More hype from MIC's BFFs in the White House , just like re "end of combat in Iraq" |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #6 |
18. Bingo. |
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Dokkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
37. what war opposition? |
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PragmaticLiberal (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
31. Unfortunately..... |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
7. Well if he thinks he's fooling everyone, in reality he'll fool no one. |
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pasto76 (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. "Yeah, but I actually killed OBL" |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 08:32 AM Response to Reply #10 |
56. have to keep the gravy train going for the defense industry. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Quite a few Rethugs claim to want out of Afghanistan. |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I don't know any. |
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Dokkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
38. I can give you the names of a few of em |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #15 |
61. Several do, including my rep. I was shocked when I heard it but still. |
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Cal33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #7 |
19. It's the proverbial in trying to satisfy both, he satisfies nobody. |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
9. shhh... it's a secret. nt |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #9 |
23. well, it is as much a secret.... |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
11. What, no 13 herbs and spices? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
13. 3 and a half years to get out is a pathetic exit plan. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
14. "Oh what an enormous mess we make |
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PuffedMica (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
17. Standby, the troops that get to draw down will abandon their equipment in Afghanistan |
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Dokkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
40. true |
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Mulhane (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
20. And the Mercenaries? |
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1monster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
21. Hmmm... I seem to remember another "secret" plan to get us out of a war |
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jkappy (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
22. This Downturn Hardly Eqauls the Upturns in Libya & Yemen n/t |
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LiberalEsto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
24. Didn't Nixon have a secret plan to end the Vietnam War? nt |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
25. This article is Orwellianism with a tongue-in-cheek tone. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
49. +1 |
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SoapBox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
27. Not much of a secret anymore...nt |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
32. Doesn't sound like a withdrawal at all, to me... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
39. no.... |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
41. That's so Obama. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
42. How the fuck does media whore Gelb know all this when he admits not even Obama's top aides know? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. It is becoming increasingly clear that the advice Obama is getting |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #45 |
63. Prove it. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. PUMAs everywhere, I tell you! |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #50 |
64. Is that what you think? That's a bit of an overstatement, given Obama supporters outnumber them. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Oh, there's some here, no doubt. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 07:22 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. Not "every". |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. You can say it in public, I won't alert. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. Gelb won highest awards from State Dept.& Pentagon, Pulitzer Prize -journalism/New York Times |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 09:52 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Well done. You soundly defeated that attempt to attack the messenger. |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 06:14 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. Thanks, but it was awfully easy, given Gelb's stature & accomplishments |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. So what? You didn't answer my question. How does he know something he says even top NSA aides don't? |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Gelb clearly presents the range of possibilities re #s of troops & time frame. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. No, "Gelb clearly presents" his story as a sure thing aka. the OP headline. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #69 |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #52 |
70. "Prove it!" |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. He furnished a red herring. He didn't answer my question. |
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Nossida (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-12-11 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
51. How about |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
59. Obama---always the conciliator |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
66. Whatever it takes, just do it |
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somone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-13-11 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
76. The audacity of triangulation |
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