Rupert's Worst Nightmare Come True? BIG player is now in the US investigating News Corp

[Snoutport]

"Here's Rupert Murdoch's worst nightmare: Nick Davies, the tenacious investigative reporter for the Guardian who has broken much of the Hackinggate story, comes to the U.S. in search of News Corp. crimes and coverup.
Well, it's come true. Davies arrives in New York today. He'll be there until Friday, and then he's going to Los Angeles in pursuit of hacking-type practices that might have been carried out on U.S. soil by Murdoch’s U.S. reporters, by his U.K. reporters working in the U.S., or by private detectives hired by News Corp.
If such crimes were committed here, that could mean real trouble for News Corp.—the legal system here is more tenacious"

A snippet from a very, very, very interesting article. This Guardian writer, Nick Davies, has been all over this story and I seriously doubt he would leave England right now (in the midst of all the uproar he helped create and is one of the biggest players) unless he had a very, very, very good story to sniff out here in the U.S......

Hang on everybody...I do believe there will be some pretty big breaking news coming from Davies here in the U.S.

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[Dawson Leery]

1. kick

[OneGrassRoot]

2. ...

:bounce:

[The Doctor.]

3. I'm sure we'll be finding out

how Davies had 'suicidal tendencies' sometime soon.

Either that, or he'll uncover a big story and the DoJ will just twiddle its thumbs.

Stay alert Nick.

[WinkyDink]

4. Eh. Rupert's mission is accomplished, is it not?

[Snoutport]

5. No, because some of us are still thinking for ourselves.

[Snoutport]

31. NEW: Met still holding Rebekah Brooks laptop found in the rubbish

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/met-still-holding-rebekah-brooks-laptop-found-in-the-rubbish-2329684.html

I sure hope we get to find out what is on that computer!

[Snoutport]

35. NEW: Wapping staff tried to delete thousands of emails

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/wapping-staff-tried-to-delete-thousands-of-emails-2330254.html

[Snoutport]

38. NEW: Gone but not forgotten: how deleted emails can be traced

phew!

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/jerome-taylor-gone-but-not-forgotten-how-deleted-emails-can-be-traced-2330261.html

[glowing]

6. but will it be reported here even if he sniffs it out?

[Snoutport]

7. It has got to be pretty good to make the news...BUT...he wouldn't leave England if it wasn't GOOD

He is the top writer on the top story at the paper that is #1 on the subject and there are stories breaking every day. This guy wouldn't leave London unless there was something big to break. He would only be here to get face-to-face confirmation on info that he probably already has.

I think its gonna be pretty good...

[tularetom]

8. I sure hope so, I'd really like to hear some good news today

[Liberalynn]

42. +1

This is a bright spot for me with all the other bad news. I hope this reporter from the UK finds so much dirt there is no way it can get swept under the rug.

[spanone]

9. good, i'm sure our media will investigate nothing, especially another media figure

[Snoutport]

39. the new york times got this story going again...and led to a an outcry for investigation

so, the US press has plaid a part in this :0)

[Greybnk48]

10. This is great news, because no one here will do it.

Thanks for the update!

[Leopolds Ghost]

11. Isn't it amusing how the few people to report on this naturally assume no US journalist would touch

This issue and that we have to import journalists to look into it? Heck, many young Americans routinely cheer the death of newspapers here in the US and do not lament the demise of journalism as a profession, since all they've ever known is media consolidation and any for-profit publications being multi-million dollar toothless publications.

[Peace Patriot]

12. Very interesting post! Thanks so much for the info!

But what makes you think that "the legal system here is more tenacious"?

I don't agree or disagree with this statement. I was just surprised by it, and wonder what it's based on. Are you thinking specifically of Murdoch prosecutions or prosecution in general of powerful/billionaire criminals?

It seems like the British justice system moved rather swiftly to arrest some of the higher perps in the Murdoch scandal. Also, there are a whole lot of billionaire banksters and other big time criminals here (for instance, war profiteers, corrupt war contractors, a billion+ dollars gone missing in Iraq--just poof, gone) who ought to be in jail by now. What happens here is that some guy like Elliot Spitzer goes after some of them and gets hit with a personal scandal that takes him down, and the justice system just goes (or remains) dormant on how that might have occurred and nobody in our political or legal establishment gives a goddamn--or maybe they do, but they dare not touch it cuz they know they'll be next. My impression of the U.S. justice system (as of the political system) is that it is frozen in a corrupt mode, whereas England's justice (and political) systems seem more alive (or not quite dead).

But I haven't really thought very much, in comparative terms, about the justice systems. Could you elucidate?

[marions ghost]

19. Had the same reaction...

and posted #18 before reading your post. Surprised by the comment that our legal system is "more tenacious."

This is high level white collar crime. White collar crime doesn't get prosecuted in America unless there's a vendetta against the perps from powerful competitors (works kind like the Mafia).

I have the same view--that the corruption may be big in England, but something resembling a justice system still exists.

This is just opinion on my part--you'd need to get someone more in touch with the legal system to corroborate. But let's just say I had the very same :wtf:

[Snoutport]

23. Hello--that was a quote from the article, not my words

I think it has some to do with our laws about lying to Congress, and we have laws that hold the head of a company responsible if company employees bribe foreign agents (politicians, police, etc.) Since it has already been proven that there were bribes paid to the police, that means News Corp heads can be fined or jailed.

[Peace Patriot]

37. Sorry, I didn't notice the quotation mark at the beginning of the text; thought it was your

comment--about the US vs UK legal systems.

Like I said, I haven't thought much about this, as to comparing the legal systems. But "tenacious" is not a word I would apply to the U.S. legal system--except maybe tenacious at imprisoning millions of poor people for long periods on drug charges. "Tenacious" about pursuing powerful/billionaire criminals? Not so much.

But I AM glad--very glad, indeed--to learn that the Guardian's truly tenacious investigator has come to the U.S. looking for the connections. Another thing we lack here is tenacious journalists--or I guess I should say, our tenacious journalists often lack a venue, can't get a job in the encompassing, monopolistic corporate media, can't get published, have to work freelance, their work when it does see print in the few outlets available (New Yorker, Rolling Stone) gets ignored (articles on torture, on stolen elections, on mindboggling corruption--ignored by the dominant, monopolistic media AND by the justice system), maybe get discouraged, some of them poor, etc.

It's great to read of a journalist from the UK who is "on his game," so to speak, and has a major outlet that is still publishing investigative journalism. The Guardian publishes trash on the Latin American left--Murdoch-like junk, truly--but they are still quite good on most issues, and they are unique, alas, in being a reliable major news outlet on most issues. (Can't even trust the BBC any more--they've been downsized and corporatized). I hope the Guardian's work on Murdoch not only brings down his scabrous 'news' empire but also inspires a rebirth of journalism here and there. In fact, that's what your post caused to shoot through my mind, like a blazing comet--hope for journalism itself.

[Uncle Joe]

13. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Snoutport.

[damntexdem]

14. I hope he has a good bodyguard.

Of course, he was likely no safer in the UK.

[hvn_nbr_2]

21. Yeah, one practiced in preventing bathtub "suicides", I'd say. nt

[Snoutport]

22. scary thought

[glinda]

32. Real concern. He better have people around him that he can trust.

[Snoutport]

34. Oh, I agree with you.... Hoare is an example of how scary it is

[malaise]

15. Love it

Rec :hi:

[SpiralHawk]

16. "Ho hum. Move along. Nothing to see here." - US Coporate Media (R)

[Snoutport]

36. so true

[SpiralHawk]

17. Fox & other Republicon Propaganda catapults shitting their diapers

as well they should...

[Snoutport]

28. That sound you hear is thousands of News Corp shredders running at the same time....

[marions ghost]

18. Is this statement true?

From the article:

"If such crimes were committed here, that could mean real trouble for News Corp.—the legal system here is more tenacious and the remedies more draconian than in the U.K."

I haven't seen the legal system be very "tenacious" here...

[Snoutport]

24. The fines are HUGE and the company has to pay for the investigation

AND there is a whistle blowing clause--whistleblowers get a share of the fine.

Avon went through one of these investigations and it cost a TON of money.

[marions ghost]

25. So this investigation has to hinge on

the connection to Britain, (bribing internationally)?

I still say it will happen ONLY if there are some unseen forces at work--ie. Murdoch enemies who want to see it happen. Not because we have an intact and impartial justice system. So we'll see how powerful those backroom players are. Murdoch is so powerful--nothing like him ever. (Reading Wolff's book) The forces that give him trouble will have to be very strong in this country. And it won't have much to do with public opinion.

[Snoutport]

26. only hinging on that until they find hacking in the U.S.

and in a lawsuit, Jude Law has already shown that they hacked his phone while he was living in America. They did it, but it is all surfacing so fast the law is catching up.

[marions ghost]

27. OK so

we need to see what else is out there :thumbsup: Jude Law

But coverups seem to work well here and Murdoch has many...let's just call them...supporters

[Snoutport]

29. yes...but he had even more in England.

but any lessening of Murdoch's empire is a win for democracy.

As for here...all we need are a few of those truly disturbing tactics--giving a phone to the mom of a missing kid so you could have access to her numbers and messages--hacking messages of dead 9/11 victims--a few politicians and then we're talking an angry public.

[marions ghost]

43. Agree

"any lessening of Murdoch's empire is a win for democracy." Absolutely. People have no idea how much influence he has in America. It is profound.

"all we need are a few truly disturbing tactics"...I think the trail will be well hidden in this country. Of course when conglomerates are as big as the Murdochs, you can always hope for some chinks.

I have very little faith in discovery of evidence in this country. So many (white collar) crimes we have seen that go unprosecuted, even when the facts are exposed. It is a cancer eating at the core of everything. I hope you're right, Snoutport, but if it doesn't happen, we are sunk. If Murdoch is exposed, I'll be the first to :fistbump: but I'm not a believer in American justice.

[Kingofalldems]

20. Kick this one to the top for the Doocy fans

[Chimichurri]

30. This is glorious. I hope he does what our media refuses to do - go after real news.

[Snoutport]

33. I promise to report it promptly when I see it!

[liberalla]

40. May I just say,

Welcome Nick Davies!


It's good to have you in America. I hope your trip is fruitful and rewarding.

[Scuba]

41. Rupert's not worried as long as Eric Holder's on the job. n/t