The Lesser Of 2 Evils

[lame54]

Most on this board will end up voting for Obama but...

the best reason being "we can't let the other guys win" is truly Truly TRULY heartbreaking.

To watch the minority party win time and time again with policies that simultaneously benefit them and harm the country is very depressing.

To watch congress change hands because the administration alienated the army of first time voters that swept them into the White House was painful (everybody on this board showed up that day and did their part).

Now I get to watch him refuse to kill the pipeline.

And he still gets my vote? - How is this fair?

In 2008 i got to vote FOR the dem.

Now I'm back to having to dutifully vote AGAINST the repug.

The next 5 years are gonna suck.

[TheKentuckian]

1. I don't think it is long term beneficial to reward this shitty set of tactics

I'm getting more and more certain that all we really end up doing is making the opposition more and more extreme and our party more and more like what we opposed.

This has become the way the party functions and while we can remain the lesser, the overall levels of evil and entropy multiply. I don't see how our huge structural problems can be dealt with in this silly dynamic with virtually no end. The terms of the debate will be unwinnable and entirely withing the opposition frame.

Better to lose a generation than twenty.

[Tesha]

2. I've believed that since at least 1992 with the rise of Clinton and his DLC. (NT)

[Frances]

9. I remember thinking about supporting Ted Kennedy

against Carter in the primaries.

The result? Reagan beat Carter. If not for Reagan, there would have been no Bush I or Bush II.

I think we have to be rational when we make our choices. It's not realistic to expect a President to handle every issue the way we would. We have to ask ourselves, How important are Supreme Court nominees? How important is it that we have someone who makes choices the way we like much or some of the time vs a person who makes choices we like none of the time.

I learned my lesson way back when Nixon defeated Humphrey. The Chicago police acted like thugs at the Convention, but Humphrey was a better choice than Nixon. He would have got us out of Vietnam before Nixon did. And Humprhey would have supported the FDR programs that made a strong middle class. Certainly, he would never have dreamed of creating a "southern strategy" to appeal to racists.

Voting for Nixon gave power to the dirty politics man, Lee Atwater, who tutored our beloved Karl Rove.

[Tesha]

10. Carter was finished, Kennedy or not.

The Reagan team already had the traitorous Iran
back-door negotiations under way. It's a shame
none of them were ever really prosecuted for any
of that.

Tesha

[Frances]

12. No one can be certain who would have won

if Kennedy had not challenged Carter, but certainly his challenge did not HELP Carter.

But you are right the Iran situation certainly helped Reagan and hurt Carter.

[tblue]

3. Beyond exasperating.

Ditto what you said except I will most likely vote for my Congresswoman and that's it. Obama will probably carry state easily. He doesn't need me and I have just about had it with bullying, fearmongering, and guilt-tripping. Only makes it worse.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

4. It's a handy meme when a party's candidate is weak and what he offers is pablum.

Some of us, however, have tender noses that have an abuse limit.

[Fearless]

5. Maybe it's time we take a stand and say no more. n/t

[Joe Fields]

8. There is no maybe about it. If not now, when?

[Fearless]

15. +1

[lunatica]

6. I will be voting for President Obama

Without expecting your idea of perfection to predominate. He's not perfect by a long shot, but he's head and shoulders above any Republican. Any Republican.

[MineralMan]

7. I reject your argument. Since I have yet to meet a candidate

for any office with whom I agree completely, it's always a choice between the two major parties. I know which party I do not want in office.

President Obama has done some good things and not done some things I wish he had been able to do. That will not prevent me from voting for him and from working to elect other Democrats. To do otherwise would be to abandon my beliefs, and I will not do that.

[Creideiki]

13. "Not done some things I wish he had been able to."

Where on that scale do these two things fit: New Coal Leases in Wyoming and Drilling off the coast of Alaska?

Just so I know who I can point to as global warming intensifies and say, "This is what you wanted all along." It's nice to know who the Evil people are as opposed to the merely Stupid.

[spanone]

11. all i have to do is look at 'the other guys'...fucking a i'll vote for Obama

[DCBob]

14. Its often that way in politics. 2008 was the first time in my lifetime I got the candidate..

I wanted from the beginning.. and that goes back 3 decades.