The teabaggers like pictures...wonder if they'll like this...

[one_voice]

[jberryhill]

1. It has words and numbers in it

And a picture of an atheist gay Muslim communist Kenyan on the left.

Reagan is way up high above those other guys, where he belongs.

I think that about sums up the cognitive ability of our friends on the right these days.

[Strelnikov_]

14. Now that was funny n/t

[cui bono]

17. LOL. I was going to make a joke but you've done it so well already.

I will simply add this:

:applause:

[JNelson6563]

18. lol Brilliant.

[Hoosier Daddy]

19. Yep, dat not a pikskur, dat a graff!

:rofl:

[Pacifist Patriot]

20. Indeed

[The Magistrate]

26. Beautifully Done, Sir

"It's funny because it's true...."

[Initech]

35. Now this they'll understand!

:rofl:

[GOPBasher]

42. LOL... I know, I just hate those atheist Muslims!

[geckosfeet]

43. True. Sad, but so very true.

:thumbsup: :fistbump:

[madrchsod]

47. reccomend...you nailed it...

[A Physicist]

48. on the left?

[jberryhill]

50. Details, details....

Depends on which side you look at it from.

[Atman]

2. I was going to rec until...

...I realized there is no real data there. There is no zero or base. For instance, RR's huge increase is over what? Likewise in BS factor, I assume Obama's mere 13% is measured as above Bush's astronomical debt increase, which was compared to Clinton's modest increase. Point being, this is a worthless graph designed purely for Facebook and e-mail.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. From the day they were sworn in?

Oh and treasury is the origin

[cliffordu]

4. Interesting reply.

[Zax2me]

7. Wait till you get a load of mine -

See below.
This chart from OP is either VERY outdated or a practical joke.

[cui bono]

16. Get a load of this...

See this post where it is explained as percentages of the debt they were handed:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1994983&mesg_id=1995137

[The Magistrate]

5. Each Is Its Own Base, Sir

When Reagan was through, the country owed nearly three times as much as it did when he was sworn in.

When the elder Bush departed, the country owed half again as much as it had when he arrived.

When President Clinton left office, the country owed about a third more than it had when he took office.

The cowboy cretin left the country owing twice as much as it did when his regime began.

The country owes today about a sixth again what it owed when President Obama was inaugurated.

So, in broadly rounded figures, for every hundred dollars the country owed in 1980, it owed three hundred dollars in 1988; for every three hundred it owed in 1988, it owed four hundred fifty in 1992; for every four hundred fifty it owed in 1992, it owed six hundred in 2000; for every six hundred it owed in 2000, it owed twelve hundred in 2008; for every twelve hundred the country owed in 2008, it owes fourteen hundred today.

Thus, of the thirteen hundred percent increase overall, nine hundred fifty percent came under Republicans, with two thirds of that taking place under the last Bush regime, with three hundred fifty percent of it taking place under Democrats, with a bit over half of that, two hundred percent, taking place under President Obama. Not only has a far greater portion of the increase taken place under Republicans, the rate at which the debt is rising under President Obama is roughly equal to its rise under the last Bush regime.

[cliffordu]

8. Wow.

Nicely done, Magistrate, well done.

[The Magistrate]

9. It is Worth Pointing Out, Sir, The Chart Ends With April Last

You could probably chalk up another hundred or so to this point. But the relative rates of increase are not changed by this. Since unemployment reduces revenues, and no steps have been taken to alter rates to increase revenue, while military expenditures remain the same as under the previous regime, and expenditures required by relief programs, such as food stamps and unemployment extensions and greater numbers eligible through poverty for Medicaide, are greater than previously, it is not surprising debt increases as before. But the cause of this is not 'overspending'; it is revenue shortfalls owing to economic contraction, and a toxic combination of political palsy and ideological fanaticism afflicting our government. Federal debt does not cause this contraction, nor does it sustain or prolong it; Federal debt is a product of the contraction, and a marker of its depth and longevity.

[rgbecker]

32. Nail on Head!

I was explaining that the other day and got blank stares. Using the "out of work family sitting around the kitchen table" analogy: Most would not only cut expenses but investigate new revenue sources. Begs the question, how does the Federal Government economics not really compare to family economics?

[The Magistrate]

34. Governments Create Money, Sir: Families Cannot

Comparing the finances of the one to the other is not even like comparing apples to oranges, but more like comparing a dandelion to a tractor. The shibboleth of inflation owing to government creation of money is in fact a mere paper tiger. Inflation is the result of increasing the supply of money over a proper balance with the existing supply of goods and services. Since it is these which constitute to real measure of value, not the money exchanged for them, if the supply of money increases faster than that of goods and services, each unit of money must necessarily be worth less. But in a situation where more goods and services are available than people have money to procure, an increase in the supply of money is necessary to bring things back into balance, by empowering potential demand. Government accomplishes this by taking on debt, and spending the borrowed money in ways that percolate through the population.

[Stumbler]

51. Also consider:

the 'out of work family' doesn't have to spend ~40% of it's available expenditures on "defense." Or rather, most families don't have to, but this nation chooses too...

[louslobbs]

30. +1 n/t

Lou

[vets74]

37. Poor baby.

Doesn't understand using The Google. Or the Federal Register. Pity.

[A Physicist]

49. Percent of GDP

Just create a chart using percent of GDP as the base because that normalization can't be spun.

Also break the chart up by attribution; some of the debt that appears under Obama is misattributed. For instance the $750 billion TARP is initiated by Bush AFTER he submitted his 2009 budget then it pops up (falsely) under Obama. There’s also the war costs kept off-the-books under Bush that go back on-the-books under Obama.

Some on the board don’t seem to understand objections being voiced. The object of the criticisms is to produce a debt comparison chart that cannot be legitimately criticized by wingnuts. Not to worry, Obama will still come out smelling like a rose in a properly constructed chart.

[Zax2me]

6. National Debt Up $4 Trillion on Obama's Watch

snip - The Debt increased $4.9 trillion during President Bush's two terms.

The Administration has projected the National Debt will soar in Mr. Obama's fourth year in office to nearly $16.5-trillion in 2012.

You can take this chart and use it as bird cage lining - it isn't accurate - 4.9 trillion from little bush to Obama's 3 trillion from article, add another trillion from this up to date clock
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock
does not equal 115% to 16%
not to mention Obama's own projected debt explosion.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20019931-503544.html

Given these numbers, the BULK of Obama's debt still lies with former little bush regime. It was his policies that led to Obama's numbers.

[cui bono]

15. I think there's another way to look at rather than in dollar amounts like you have.

See this post where it is explained as percentages of the debt they were handed:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1994983&mesg_id=1995137

[The Magistrate]

31. Try Using Fiscal Instead Of Calendar Years, Sir

The Bush regime is responsible for fiscal years running from October 1, 2001, to September 30, 2009: the fiscal year running from October 1, 2000 to September 30, 2001, belongs to President Clinton's administration, and the first fiscal year for which President Obama is responsible did not commence until October 1, 2009.


At the start of the first fiscal year of the Bush regime (October 1, 2001), debt stood at five trillions, eight hundred ten billions.

At the end of the last fiscal year of the Bush regime (September 30, 2009), debt stood at eleven trillions, nine hundred twenty billions.

That is indeed an increase on the order one hundred fifteen percent, of six dollars of new debt added to every five dollars of existing debt.

Precise figures can be found here:

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/NPGateway

[renate]

10. the facts... they burn.....!

Thanks for finding this!

[SkyDaddy7]

24. WOW!?! It seriously bothers some folks here on DU...

Anytime someone post ANYTHING that might even hint of being good news about OUR President!

Is there a rule that once the campaign starts no one can post negative comments about the Democratic Candidate? If so, then once the campaign starts DU will be almost empty, huh? Or the Obama haters just a very load & active minority here on DU? Because it really does seem like 99% of DU literally hates President Obama! SAD!

[Name removed]

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[malaise]

12. K & R

for truth

[SpiralHawk]

13. Simple truth

eom

[99th_Monkey]

21. Sweet This needs to be writ large in the sky over DC. nt

[GeorgeGist]

22. St Ronnie

Still the Leader.

[vets74]

38. "Democracy is not the solution to our problems. Democracy is our problem."

That St. Ronnie ???

[Raster]

45. President "mourning in America" Raygun

[AlbertCat]

23. Alas.... facts mean nothing to Teabaggers.

They don't even understand what a "percentage" is.

Like some religion, it's all emotion, no intellect.


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on edit:


Whoa! I spoke too soon! Even DUers don't get it!

"the Magistrate" got it right.

Since the debt always goes up, it's a matter of how fast it rises within a time frame. This is what the graph shows.

The only real problem is that Obama's contribution is not over, like the past Presidents'. Their trends are completed, and his is ongoing.

[The Magistrate]

46. Thank You, Sir

It is the widespread muddle about this which makes it so easy to convince people lies are facts of the matter....

[RevStPatrick]

25. That looks like a teabagger popularity poll...

"What percentage of the American people approve of each of the following presidents?"

Those are teabagger percentages.

[louslobbs]

27. Nice.....K&R and saved to my political graphs folder, thanks.

Lou

[jwirr]

28. If they do not I do. Thank you. Now tell me this mess is a Democratic

creation.

[Hubert Flottz]

29. To think that the GOP would like anything to do with reality or the truth

is a huge stretch of the imagination.

The GOP is the enemy of the truth. The enemy of equality. The enemy of the working class. They only fool the fools, themselves included.

[Presidentcokedupfratboy]

33. The GOPologists would say

They have us beat 359% to 53%.

[sfpcjock]

36. Thank you.

...I was going to post the following for my friends on facebook, but maybe I'd better start with yours :)

Hey lookey, this GOP debate wordcloud just surfaced...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1998103&mesg_id=1998103

[glinda]

39. When will this a full page AD?

[SoapBox]

40. K & R

[OnlinePoker]

41. Don't you know...

It's not Republican presidents who are responsible for the debt...it's congress. Democratic presidents on the other hand...

[Raster]

44. There are several reasons this country is in the financial shithole we currently find ourselves in..

...one is named Raygun and two are named bush*.

[aggiesal]

52. I don't agree with this chart ...

I thought that Clinton lowered the national debt from %5.5T to $4.5T

And the 1st time that Obama raised the debt, the budget he
raised the debt against was signed by Bush in Oct, '08.
A full month before Obama was even elected.

[Oceansaway]

53. K&R...n/t

[TxVietVet]

54. Man, that will get their panties all bunched up.

:rofl: