Gloat over my stupidity - DU is for marijuana and against smoking?

[jpgray]

In other words, no one should infringe on someone using marijuana as prescribed medication, yet that person can and should be disbarred from employment freely insofar as she smokes?

Isn't this kind of a weird disconnect?

[Orrex]

1. Smoking is disgusting unless it's pot

Then it's good for the universe or something.

[musiclawyer]

5. Smoking costs the taxpayers money

Long term. Legalized bud Saves the taxpayer money. Long term

[seabeyond]

25. wrong. with taxes and early death, smokers cause our society less cost. nt

[Viking12]

41. Nonsense.

[bemildred]

45. No that's quite correct. nt

[Viking12]

47. No, it's not.

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=smoking+cessation:+the+economic+benefits&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart

http://www.lungusa.org/stop-smoking/tobacco-control-advocacy/reports-resources/cessation-economic-benefits/states/united-states.html

[eridani]

51. Bogus. That only analyzes costs related to smoking. You need to look at the system as a whole

Killing people with tobacco saves a great deal on treatment for diabetes and heart disease, not to mention a lot of Social Security and pension expenditures. Those latter figures were not considered.

[bemildred]

61. Quite right, you pay in all your life, you get nothing back.

It's exactly what insurance companies rely on to make a buck.

[The Straight Story]

55. So lets base all rights on money, how much does pre-marital sex, abortions, alcohol, driving, surfin

the net etc cost society?

[Warren DeMontague]

28. To be fair, cigarettes smell like wet dog ass

And by any measure, pot is better for you.

[ohheckyeah]

60. Spend a lot of time with

your nose to wet dog ass do you?

[Warren DeMontague]

62. Not anymore

thankfully, the disgusting habit that is cigarette smoking has become extremely less popular than it used to be.

[ohheckyeah]

76. I've never had occasion

to smell a wet dog's ass. I think going around smelling dog ass is a much more disgusting habit than smoking.

[Warren DeMontague]

78. When I was a kid, they had the Wet Dog Ass and Non-Wet Dog Ass sections in restaurants.

But it was a joke, because the whole place still smelled like Wet Dog Ass. The Wet Dog Ass didn't stay in one section!

Yet still to this day, for some odd reason, there are a few whiny, entitled shits who can't figure out why they're not allowed to bring their wet dog ass into the restaurant.

[NYC_SKP]

91. I remember when movie theaters had wet dog ass sections. In Europe, they still do!

And every so often I'll take a flight that has wet dog ass trays in the arm rests, cemented shut!

:hi:

[U4ikLefty]

69. Hey, don't knock it until you tried it.

[roguevalley]

31. I've seen people smoke through tracheotomies on their way to the

grave from smoking. Smoking is an addiction like heroin or food. But it also kills people through passive smoking. I'm tired of addictions walking around as rights. I don't mind people smoking. Just don't inhale in front of me. I choose not to smoke. That is my RIGHT. As with all rights, yours ends where mine begin.

[sylveste]

81. so does my right to not look not look at ugly people begin?

in front of my eyes?

[Warren DeMontague]

82. what?

Either that's some seriously amazing post-modern poetry, or I think you need to regroup.

[SkyDaddy7]

57. Yes, something like that inded! nt.

[Ohio Joe]

2. Welcome to what is often referred to as... a discussion board

Trying to fit every voice into one coherent thought will drive you nuts.

[RainDog]

3. you're probably getting people with different povs on different threads

I had nothing to say about the Baylor tactic, for instance, because I don't want to argue that issue.

but, in fact, I think the Baylor policy is stupid and targets one group unfairly.

so, I guess you could say I'm fairly consistent in my view that people have the right to do what they will in their free time as long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others.

rational policy, imo, limits how much your employer can tell you what to do in your free time. they don't own you.

[TheWraith]

4. I hate cigarettes with a vengeance, but banning them or smokers is completely unacceptable.

What I do or don't like, or do or don't find harmful, has no place in public policy.

[Trajan]

6. What do you mean 'against smoking' ?

We are obviously casting a blunt but VAGUE message here .... How is DU against smoking ?

Against ALL smoking ever ? ... Against smoking in the workplace and bars ? ...

Once again .... The general statement is cast in such a broad manner, that it should be obvious that no entity like DU is so monolithic in it's collective beliefs that one might say "DU is against smoking"

Notwithstanding the fact that a segment of DU is also anti-marijuana ...

[bemildred]

7. I think they should be treated in the same way.

Legally available OTC, but highly regulated as to production and distribution, and of course driving impaired is already illegal.

[fredamae]

8. Different plants, different health consequences?

Or were you referring to Cannabis smoke?
Cannabis smoke has been researched in an effort to prove once and for all that it causes Cancer-They instead (ooops)learned that it Shrinks tumors.
Apparently Cannabis starves tumors by blocking oxygen rich blood from feeding tumors and the tumors then consume themselves trying to survive.

OTOH-The Tobacco plant is known to Cause Cancer.

[Little Star]

66. I think it is smoke that causes cancer not the tobacco plant...

just a quick google and here is one of many articles:

http://marcriley.articlesbase.com/cancer-articles/does-nicotine-cause-lung-cancer-1398708.html

[Major Nikon]

67. Nicotine plays a big part

The author (who knows who that is) of this article is giving out misleading information. The supposition is that since nicotine by itself isn't listed as a carcinogen, it must not be the nicotine that is causing cancer, but rather the "smoke". This begs the question, why do users of smokeless tobacco also have high rates of certain types of cancers? Users of nicotine gum and lozenges may also have higher risks of mouth cancers as recent studies suggest. And even if what the author is saying is true, and it is the "smoke", not many pot smokers smoke 20-60 joints per day, every day, for decades.

[fredamae]

85. I should have provided a link to this study

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html

And yes, I agree it is most likely the smoke; for even Nicotine has some medical use. We also must consider the cigarette paper additives, plant additives, pesticides, herbicides and etc that is not natural to the plant itself.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/33023.php

[Major Nikon]

88. Nicotine IS a pesticide

There's not much that's particularly healthy about nicotine, particularly when consumed in such large quantities.

Around the turn of the century, smoking became popular due to the advent of mechanized rolling machines which significantly lowered the cost of cigarettes. So cigarettes have been in wide use since then and are produced in a variety of countries. And even though they have been produced with a variety of different methods and materials, the one constant is lung cancer. It would be pretty hard to imagine that tobacco itself is not the primary cause.

[fredamae]

89. Don't misunderstand, I don't advocate

for any use of Nicotine/Tobacco-I'm only saying it's made more deadly by the unnatural use of the other additives & etc. Not to allude to any notion that it is "healthy".

In it's natural form, Nicotine has medical use. So does Meth, Heroin and Psilocybin Mushrooms but I would never advocate casual use outside of a legitimate medical recomendation/application.

[Major Nikon]

101. I understand

I just don't take the position that nicotine doesn't have a big part to play in the causes of cancer. Nicotine has a significant link to cancer in a variety of forms and delivery methods. I think it's pretty hard to dismiss this role as simply casual. I certainly would agree that nicotine, by itself, is not the sole cause of the societal problems associated with cigarettes.

[fredamae]

106. Here is some surprising (to me) benefits of even Smoking

"Who'da thunk it?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Therapeutic_uses

[Major Nikon]

108. I'm not really surprised

Just because something is bad in massive doses, doesn't mean it's bad when used judiciously.

[Maine-ah]

109. so does coke.

many moons ago, my uncle had a deviated septum. They packed his nose with cocaine after the surgery.

[LWolf]

9. DU, like the rest of the human population,

has a hard time balancing rights and responsibilities sometimes.

The bottom line? First do no harm. As long as your choice harms no one and no thing else, it's your right to be stupid about your health, or to sacrifice optimum health for pleasure.

Whether it's smoking, or anything else.

[izquierdista]

10. Cannabis - medicine; Tobacco - poison

While cannabis does have medicinal properties (in addition to the recreational side), tobacco doesn't. Should people be allowed to use either one, claiming that it benefits them, when a rational person can see otherwise? Well, I guess a case for it can be made, if you are of a libertarian bent. After all, it is only themselves they are harming. But if they expose people to second-hand smoke or drive around stoned, then they are exposing other people to harm, so their selfish concern for only themselves needs to be reined in.

I'd be happy if everyone gave up lighting weeds on fire to inhale their smoke, but since that isn't likely to happen, I'll just ask both types of smokers to stand downwind.

[rfranklin]

11. I believe we should only support intravenous use of marijuana...

smoking it is bad for your lungs.

[ixion]

12. There are extremists on DU, just as there are anywhere...

All the members of DU are not anti-smoking zealots.

[Douglas Carpenter]

83. Exactly! there are a few nutty goofballs that want to ban smoking in the privacy of ones own home

but the survey I just posted shows that they are in a very small minority and approximately 90% don't agree.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1997410

[slay]

13. I don't think it's fair to make than kind of broad generalization at all

people here have many different views. i think both should be legal and personal choice. that's where i stand. please don't group me in with these "others" you seem to think we are.

[MagickMuffin]

14. News Alert: You don't have to SMOKE CANNABIS

Unlike tobacco Cannabis can be eaten.

What's really weird is the broad brush stroke people have about everyone on DU agreeing about anything :shrug: Talk about a disconnect.

[Odin2005]

15. MJ can be consumed without smoking it.

[eppur_se_muova]

17. So can tobacco. :evilgrin:

Believe it or not, some of the native tribes in South America used tobacco enemas ...

[DJ13]

22. ome of the native tribes in South America used tobacco enemas

Those second hand farts can be deadly!

[louslobbs]

38. lol....made me laugh out loud......thanks for that.

Lou

[Little Star]

65. Yes and so can tobacco. Vaping/eCigarettes or (gross) chewing. n/t

[eppur_se_muova]

16. I think we're opposed to pot smoking in public buildings ...

at least in principle, but it hasn't come up really ...

[Warren Stupidity]

18. not me: I support privacy rights across the board.

There is of course nothing to prevent an employer from refusing to hire tobacco or marijuana users. There should be, but there isn't.

[NNN0LHI]

19. There are a lot of little things around here like that but I wouldn't let it bother you

It is just part of human nature.

Just giggle to yourself like I do.

Don

[unblock]

20. the vast majority of those "against smoking" as a matter of public policy

are against PUBLIC smoking, i.e., smoking in the presence of other people who did not consent to having the air they breathe polluted by the many toxins, allergens, and carcinogens in tobacco (particularly cigarette) smoke. in short, being for or against allowing someone to USE a substance has little to do with being for or against WHERE a substance is used.

most are fine with other people smoking tobacco in the privacy of their own homes.


another point is that "du" is hardly a single person's opinion, and the members who are "for marijuana" might not be the same members who are "against smoking".




finally, from a medical perspective, marijuana is less harmful and more beneficial than tobacco.

[Rex]

21. Wrong. Maybe some are but not I.

If you want to smoke 6 packs of cigs a day...go for it! Just remember you fall into the category of someone that is stereotyping potheads...the smart ones bake the weed into butter and eat food for days with it! MJ doesn't have to be smoked ya know...tobaco either needs to be smoked or made in chew/snuff form. Weed can be digested/injected in a number of ways.

[ElboRuum]

23. Cognitively dissonant positions never fazed DU before...

...don't expect that to change anytime soon.

And since this is a smoking thread... :popcorn:

[otohara]

24. Ciggies Are So Stinky

as where pot smells is okay and fades away, doesn't cling to clothes and hair.

I'm a former smoker - something in todays ciggies makes them stink to high heaven - wasn't that way in 60-70's.

[etherealtruth]

36. I disagree about the pot ....

Anything burned leaves a kinda nasty after smell.

Either way I don't want someone smoking pot or cigarettes in my house or my car ....other than that ... don't really care

[JVS]

53. "pot smells is okay and fades away, doesn't cling to clothes and hair."

You never met some of my friends. If someone smokes enough pot it doesn't fade away, it does cling to their clothes and hair, and it can start smelling very not ok. And then there are the guys who try to cover it up with patchouli oil.

[rbnyc]

26. Use a vaporizer!

I am pro-legalization and I also see second hand smoke as a public health issue. I don't think these positions contradict each other.

Even though cigarette smoke contains more chemicals and poisons than pot smoke, I still wouldn't want someone to fire up a joint on an airplane, or in my work space. But I think they have they right to grow and smoke in their own space - though I would recommend a vaporizer.

And I would also support their right to buy it on the open market, and prefer it were legally available because of the violence that comes with any black market product.

Edit: Just saw other thread on smoking and employment. I don't think employers should be able to terminate people for things they do in their private lives that don't impact their job performance.

[musiclawyer]

95. Portable vaporizers are cheaper

Less than 100 bucs and you are mobile. My lady friend likes to take walks with her portable because it numbs her bum knee.
And I have seen lots of portable vaporizers at San Jose earthquake and oakland raider games No reason to bother yourself or others with the by-products of combustion

[alfredo]

27. I never got addicted to pot, but I got horribly addicted to

tobacco. I was smoking over three packs a day. Went cold turkey. It wasn't fun.

[phleshdef]

29. Electronic cigarettes and marijuana vaporizers are the answer to all these problems.

[RebelOne]

32. I bought the e-cigarettes to try to quite smoking.

Those things just do not satisfy us nicotine addicts at all. I used them for a week and finally ended up buying cigarettes.

[phleshdef]

39. I had the same experience at first because I didn't buy a very good product.

There are some really good e-cig devices out there and some really good liquids and there are some really bad devices and very poorly made liquids. If you don't have a good device and good liquid, its an enormous letdown. Luckily though, I didn't give up and tried a few devices until I found one that was every bit as satisfying than the real thing. If you are interested, let me know, and I can direct you to a good site. I was a pack a day guy for 9 years and I had a friend that was a 2 pack a day guy for 17, both of us had massive success with this once we found a quality model.

[in_cog_ni_to]

50. Which one did you try? Was it a cheap gas station personal vaporizer?

If so, I can recommend the two that have satisfied this 45 year smoker. Haven't had a cigarette since April. You may have needed stronger juice. Let me know if you're interested and I'll PM you the links to the 2 I use. One is a mod and the other looks more like an e cig. They BOTH rock!

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

30. Smoking pot is disgusting as well... you should vaporize or eat it

Smoking ANYTHING is bad for your body, and that includes marijuana. Vaporizedmarijuana has no ill effects on the body, however, and neither does eating it.

[Warren DeMontague]

33. I don't smoke either, but I think most pot smokers would be perfectly happy if they could

buy their product at 7-11, smoke it outside on most sidewalks, smoke it in their own homes, etc. and not have to worry about SWAT teams kicking down their doors and dragging them off to prison for having a joint in their hand. I haven't heard too many potheads demanding, for instance, that they be allowed to smoke weed in the IHOP.

The same situation for cigarette smokers, however, causes tantrums.

Just to be clear: I am against telling cigarette smokers they can't smoke in their own homes, etc.

[Major Nikon]

34. Kinda like being against gang rape yet for blowjobs

nt

[ElboRuum]

42. Inapt analogies are also a DU trademark...

Still eatin' me popcorn. :popcorn:

[eppur_se_muova]

43. Inappropriate analogies are like a bookcase without a beehive ...

or something.

[ElboRuum]

54. Of course, I'm just auditing this thread...

...don't want to spoil it by saying too much.

No, everybody, please, don't let me interrupt. Please, continue. :popcorn: *munch munch munch*.

[Major Nikon]

63. But cigarettes to pot is a great comparison, yes?

Either that or the analogy just sailed right over your head.

Enjoy!

[ElboRuum]

90. Actually. It is. But its become difficult to really talk to people these days...

so... :popcorn: *munch munch munch*

[Major Nikon]

92. Prolly cuz you don't seem to be able to do so without a snark

Just sayin'

And no, the OP's comparison sucked completely, thus the analogy. The two substances compared have very little in common other than their method of delivery.

Enjoy.

[ElboRuum]

97. Yeah... snarky me...

Doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Just sayin'.

:popcorn: *munch munch munch*

[Major Nikon]

99. Doesn't mean you're right either

You might try actually supporting your arguments with facts and reason if you want to be taken seriously.

Just trying to be helpful.

Enjoy!

[ElboRuum]

100. Isn't it obvious by now...

...that I really don't care how seriously you or anyone else for that matter takes me? Those who understand will see it, those who don't or don't want to, simply won't. It is the way of things, and probably will always be.

Thanks for the assist, though. Good looking out.

:popcorn: *munch munch munch*

[Major Nikon]

103. So why do you complain about being unable to communicate with people?

Kinda like the guy that's been married 5 times, but doesn't think he's the problem.

You're welcome, BTW.

Enjoy!

[ElboRuum]

104. Who's complaining?

But if you must know why I have difficulty talking to people is because some are the don't understand (frustrating but not a problem), but most are the won't understand (insufferable brick walls unsuitable for conversation of any duration). Besides, does a statement of fact equal complaint? No, it does not.

Keep trying, you'll get it one day.

:popcorn: *munch munch munch*

[Major Nikon]

105. Whining is prolly a better descriptor

I was just being gratuitous.

Good day and good bye.

Enjoy!

[ElboRuum]

107. And scene...

Whining also does not equal statement of fact. But it seems you need to conflate what is into something it isn't, and that, I'm afraid, I cannot help you with. And yes, you were being gratuitous, on that we can agree.

A fine day to you sir, and peace be in your future.

:popcorn: *munch munch munch*

[Skittles]

71. .

[ElboRuum]

98. !

:popcorn: *munch munch munch*

[louslobbs]

35. I have a sister who I love with all of my being. She's intelligent, kind, compassionate and pretty

She smokes.....I've asked her if she would ever consider quitting because I am concerned about health issues that could arise and cause a serious illness or early death, and she said that she considers it every day.

She's a grown woman, she pays her own bills, she's been with the same company for 30yrs, she loves animals and treats others with respect and fairness. I love her dearly, and if she continues smoking, knowing everything she does about its potential for harmful health effects, that is her choice, and is no different I feel, from any other choices we make in life that could potentially cause damage to our health.

She doesn't smoke in her own home, but always goes outside when she needs a smoke, and always asks others, when they are outdoors around her, if they mind if she smokes, I think that's very considerate and I'd expect nothing less from her knowing her the way I do.

If someday, she chooses to try quitting, I will do whatever I can to assist her, and if she never stops smoking, I will love and support her as the extraordinary human being she is regardless of a habit that might cause me great concern.

Some people smoke cigarettes, some smoke pot, some use cocaine or meth, and some use heroin, some indulge in un protected sex, some use crack cocaine, others might abuse prescription drugs, while some may choose to drink various amounts of alcohol.

The only thing we can really control in life, is our own behavior, we can try to support others who we might feel are doing harm to themselves, but we can't make demands or lecture them about their choices.

I will still have discussions from time to time about her cutting down, or quitting her smoking habit, but I will never force my opinion on her or anyone else who might be making what I feel, is a potentially harmful choice. Who knows, conversations from time to time, might lead to a breakthrough at some point, so I will never stop trying, I'm kinda selfish that way, I want her around for as long I am able to take a breath of air, we all do.

No matter what, I love her very, very much.......very much.
Lou

[KharmaTrain]

64. Sounds Like She Would Do Well With An E-Cig...

I was a 2 pack a day smoker for over 35 years and haven't had a cigarette in nearly 6 months. Just like your sister there wasn't a day in recent years where I didn't think about quitting but didn't think I had the willpower to quit. And, honestly, I always enjoyed the sensation of smoking. After doing some research...plenty of websites out there...I found a quality E-cig and was able to transfer my enjoyment of smoking to what I now call my pacifier. I and my office no longer smell, almost everyone I've run into is accepting and even curious about the E-cig and I haven't had any "heebie-jeevies" or massive weight gain or any of the other things that sometimes happen when one tries to go cold turkey.

I'll bet she'd love to quit...but the joy of the smoking sensation is just as strong as the addiction to the nicotine. The E-Cig seems to be the best of both worlds. I've lowered my nicotine intake and hope to be at "zero" by the end of the year...yet I can still sit in my office when no one's around and puff like a demon. Even when I go out, just a couple puffs now and then sure beat having to get up and leave a party or gathering and find some loading dock or walk around the block to get a nic fix.

[louslobbs]

68. Wow, I'm going to suggest that and thank you so much for telling that story, may I share it with her

Thank you again and yes she really wants to quit, but the addiction is winning at this point. You have just given me added hope KharmaTrain.
All the best to you,
Lou

[Lucian]

37. I'm against smoking when it affects someone else.

I'm allergic to cigarette smoke. If someone wants to smoke, away from the public and away from everyone else, then I have no problem with it.

I'm not going to argue this shit again.

[JI7]

40. i think the issue is about where you do it , not whether it should be illegal in itself

[loyalsister]

44. You don't have to support polluting the air of other people

to support the right of other people to use marijuana- smoked or otherwise prepared for pain relief, etc. I don't think it is necessary to smoke it publicly to receive the benefits.
I support people having a choice to have independent control of even stronger meds particularly when they are in a lot of pain. But, I don't necessarily want them driving and putting people at risk when they are halfway sedated.
Similarly, I want access to clean air in restaurants and other public places. People can do all the damage to their bodies they want, but please don't stink up my air doing it.

[FarCenter]

46. Drying leaves, setting them on fire, and inhaling the smoke is bad for you

When leaves burn they create all kinds of tarry combustion products, some of which are carcinogenic.

It is the smoke that is the health problem, not the psycho active ingredients.

[fredamae]

86. When it comes to Cannabis smoke-that is not true

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html

It is "common belief", but personal research reveals a different story/reality from the MSM, BigPHRMA, LE, US Gov't, FDA etc & stereotypical assumptions.

[FarCenter]

93. The heaviest marijuana user was 22000 cigarettes lifetime, while a pack a day is 7300 / year

[eridani]

48. Vaporize marijuana, dummy! Never SMOKE it! n/t

[Lucinda]

49. There are ways to use pot medicinally other than smoking,

but your disconnect is noted. We ARE a mixed bag here at DU. :)

I have an allergic reaction either way, so I'm happy for it all to stay away from me. I did try pot when I was going through chemo, even with my smoke issues, but it didn't help me. I'm glad it does help others though.

[JVS]

52. I'm ok with both

[H2O Man]

56. Legalize Lonnie Anderson's hair!

[Bucky]

58. Dude, it's like you walked into the ABA and asked why they're not considered a "close shop" union.

I can maybe break down the differences that are significantly different, but that doesn't mean it's not a hell of good question

[Blasphemer]

59. Depends....

If the argument is that marijuana should be legalized but regulations similar to those that are applied to cigarette smokers should not be applied to marijuana smokers, then there is a disconnect. If the argument is that marijuana should be legalized and marijuana smokers should be subject to the same regulations that cigarette smokers are, then there is no disconnect. I honestly never thought much about cigarette smoking regulations as they could be applied to marijuana simply because we haven't yet reached a point where they are treated in the same manner by the law. Seems fair to me that "smoke-free" regulations would be applied equally.

[joshcryer]

70. My hallway CONSTANTLY smells like skunkweed.

[Major Nikon]

96. Buying better quality bud should help

Just sayin'

[Nye Bevan]

72. I'm in favor of both being legal

I'm also in favor of people being protected from involuntarily being exposed to second-hand smoke from either.

[Iggo]

73. I think they should tax people who stand in water.

Oh!

[Hippo_Tron]

74. One is produced by big corporations, one is not...

Whether people will admit it or not, that's the crux of the issue.

[McCamy Taylor]

75. Cigarettes are addicting and are the number one cause of preventable death.

Tobacco used for religious or ceremonial purposes or the occasional (read once a year) cigar is fine.

Weed is not addicting and generally does not kill. But you still wont be able to smoke weed on the job any more than you can get drunk at work.

[donheld]

77. Is this all you have to whine about?

[roody]

79. Marijuana is used as a salve, can be eaten,

and if one wants to breathe it in, it can be vaporized.

[Tsiyu]

80. DU is neither

DU is a message board on which many posters of the more liberal persuasion (and a few fakers) write publicly about their thoughts, dreams, hopes, pet peeves, rage-inducing loathings and kittehs.

There is no consensus on either of these issues on DU; we're merely many random people with all sorts of opinions sometimes coagulating on a post in support of one another.

Now I'm off to handroll a cig after ...:smoke:

[JoeyT]

84. DU isn't for or against either as a whole.

There is a large group of people that apparently think it's terrible when corporations exercise too much control in their employees private lives, unless it's over something they don't like, then it's perfectly fine.

And if you bring it up they'll run around screaming and insist you've demanded smoking sections be placed in daycare centers, even though you're talking about companies testing to see if the employee is smoking when they're not at work.

[TroglodyteScholar]

87. Pretty sure DU has a variety of views on these matters.

But your concern is noted.



P.S. You should probably look up the word "disbar."

[taught_me_patience]

94. I'm for banning both in indoor public places

and in apartments and tight crowded outdoor spaces, where smoke can affect neighbors.

However, there are significant difference between pot smoking and cigarette smoking that should be pointed out:

#1) Cigarette smoke, to me, smells worse than pot smoke
#2) Cigarette smokers typically smoke 15-30 per day. A heavy pot smoker might smoke 1 joint/day. Most I know smoke 1/month.
#3) Cigarett smokers typically take 15-20 drags per cigarette. Most pot smokers take a couple of tokes and are then stoned enough.

Thus, typical cigarette smokers generate hundreds of times more noxious smoke than typcial pot smokers.

FYI, I live in a condo and try to eat my pot in order to not offend neighbors who prefer to not smell my smoke.

[jtuck004]

102. I'm for Brownies. With pecans.

Now I meant the food, so if you stray from that thought, it's on you.

[slackmaster]

110. I'm pro-choice on just about everything

HTH