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begin_within (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:12 PM Original message |
What is the specific goal of OccupyWallSt? |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
1. here you go |
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begin_within (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Thanks, but |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. you can try and obfuscate all you want |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. No one is arguing that there is a message, but what exactly do they want for a remedy? Every other |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I think they're doing just fine. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Alright, so your statement is that third way triangualtion does not work, so what system, |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I think it's too early to talk about replacements |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. You can't remove an engine from a car, no more than you can remove the engine from an economy, and |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. No, history has shown that it is not prudent to prop up corrupt regimes |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Again, I'm sorry you feel that way. Truth be told, bureaucracy will always be replaced with |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. No one is talking about anarchy |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 05:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Now that is something I could probably get behind. It's not enough to get me out |
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Owlet (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Of course you're talking about anarchy |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. which is why I said it was enlightened, not violent. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Personally, I could bet behind social anarchy, but I am not for full out anarchy. The problem with |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. yeah, humans aren't ready for full-on anarchy... not yet. |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #7 |
40. If I didn't know better, I'd think they want to overthrow Obama. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. there were all sorts of protests under Bush. |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. OK well Bush is gone, Obama is in. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. And yet the corruption remains. |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Much respect ixion. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Thanks, U4ikLefty! |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. There were plenty of anti-war rallies when Bush was president, and there were protests against |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Ok well... Bush is gone now. Obama is in office. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. The name of the person occupying the office matters not, it's their actions. n/t |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:19 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Which is why I say it looks like they want to overthrow Obama |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. No. They want to end the corruption. |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #57 |
72. I'm just pointing out how it looks. That's all. |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. it's the SYSTEM that needs fixing |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. mmmm |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Not everything is about Obama. Either he can get behind the movement and give the protesters a |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. well said. |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
75. What's so hard about taking the money back from the bank and giving the house back to the homeowner? |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 10:26 PM Response to Reply #75 |
96. But no one is protesting for your remedy. Personally, I'd like to see laws changed. It was by |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. +1 |
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begin_within (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
37. You still haven't answered my question... |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:38 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. ah, but I did... |
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begin_within (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. In other words, you have no answer. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. no, as I said, the answer is right there... |
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iamjoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. I Disagree With This Statement |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. It is about removing corruption from a corrupt system. |
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iamjoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. I'm Being Too Literal, Aren't I? (eom) |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
63. you're fine. |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
88. And this... |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. They have an actual statement of purpose & grievances. Nt |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
5. Get more people arrested so they can create more anger at the system. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. they have corrupted the system. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Then they go to China and India where there are a billion people in each country. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Occupy Everywhere. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
68. Living off of the savings of the world? |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
15. if you want to hear, their message is clear. if you don't you nitpick the details. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I think you're spot on. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. The lack of demand for reforms is a tactic to let the powers that be know that there's nothing they |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
52. People nitpick details because that is where the devil lyes. n/t |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. no, people nitpick things like this because they are too cowardly to say they disapprove |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. I nitpick the details because I want to know exactly what it is people want to see |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. you act as though a large corporation is running this, with a hired marketing company to package |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Not at all. Look at Egypt, they had a single unifying message and one desired outcome. It;s funny |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. because they had one person to blame and we don't |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. It is simple. Egypt had more than one person to blame. We have Wall Street and government. If |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. they have put forward simple demands and complaints, i suspect you just dont like them |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. I've seen the grievances, but I have to see the demands. What exactly are the demands. I've |
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Journeyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
19. How about you just use this as your guide. . . |
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Life Long Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
20. They want to generate solutions. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
24. To get a generation of people organized to fight this system in its entirety. |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
27. Does there have to be one goal? |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. It's a lot easier if there is only one goal. If you are out protesting x,y and z, and I am |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. So you contend that we need to get every person protesting... |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. So far, all there has been is a list of grievances, no one has offered solutions. I'm not out |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #33 |
70. Who speaks for the group? |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
32. They are attacking the root of the problem... |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Now that's a question that needs to be seriously considered. I wish we as a party could |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
34. FOCUS |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 07:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
64. neither of those things will solve the root cause of the problem |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 08:05 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Does anyone here really expect an instant fix? |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 08:26 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Instant? The WoD has been going on for more than 30 years |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. Alternatives? |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. uh, how about ending them and restoring the Rule of Law, the Constitution and Bill of Rights |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Ending what? |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Ending the WoD and the WoT |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Where is the proposed legislation? |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:54 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. wow... |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. A lot has happened over the past 40 yrs. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 10:20 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. repeal every single piece of legislation passed over the course of the last 40 years |
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metalbot (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #80 |
89. The Tea Party would agree with you |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. it means rolling back every single law passed over the course of the last 40 years |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
39. To piss you off. |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
42. To create priceless footage for 2012 Republican negative advertisements. |
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akbacchus_BC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
73. I think People want to be heard as opposed to big money people! |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
77. Fair question a lot of people are asking. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:32 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. It's very simple, actually |
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metalbot (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 10:14 PM Response to Reply #81 |
90. Sure, but in what specific way? nt |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. what part of ending corruption do you find lacking in specificity? |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
85. Same as the goals of the Civil Rights Movement, the Women's Movement etc. Economic justice. |
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county worker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
86. There is no GOAL as you would have it. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
95. What was the specific goal of the American Colonists in 1773? |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
97. First, you have to become aware... |
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