More than 1 in 10 parents skip, delay kids' shots

[FLAprogressive]

CHICAGO (AP) -- By age 6, children should have vaccinations against 14 diseases, in at least two dozen separate doses, the U.S. government advises. More than 1 in 10 parents reject that, refusing some shots or delaying others mainly because of safety concerns, a national survey found.

Worries about vaccine safety were common even among parents whose kids were fully vaccinated: 1 in 5 among that group said they think delaying shots is safer than the recommended schedule. The results suggest that more than 2 million infants and young children may not be fully protected against preventable diseases, including some that can be deadly or disabling.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MED_SKIPPING_VACCINATIONS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

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Nothing says "health freedom" like a good ol' case of whooping cough.

[truedelphi]

1. Are you aware that the whooping cough vaccine has limited effectiveness -

And that time and time again, where ever there are whooping cough outbreaks, some 35% plus of the kids who get it have been vaccinated and quite recently against the disease?

That the risks are greater to the newborn baby population from getting the Hepatitis vaccine, rather than not having it -- as Hepatitis strikes ADULTS who have unsafe sex, and share dirty needles used for a drug habit?

That one simple gesture - that of shaking the vial that the vaccination material before the needle draws the vaccine material from the vial, can protect a child - thus saving your child (or someone' else's) from having too many heavy metals et al from their shot? Yet many health practitioners either don't know they should do this, or they don't bother.

Are you aware that veterinarians have instructed their staff to not administer vaccines to any animal that has been brought in sick or injured? Vets are quite familiar with the animal studies that show a huge spike in cancer rates among animals who have been vaccinated while ill.

Meanwhile, to make it more convenient for a parent, the nurses at doctor's offices routinely give vaccines to kids who were brought in because of illness.

[dkf]

2. Interesting stuff. I had no idea.

[Lionessa]

3. Additionally I have read where giving children vaxes when they are sick, often don't get the

protective value of the vax because the meds for the illness counteract the effectiveness. So even if they are lucky enough to not have any of the horrors you mention above, it could end up giving one a false sense of security to give a vax to a sick person, child or otherwise.

[Major Nikon]

4. Did you even read the article before you started condemning it?

If you had, you probably wouldn't be asking if the OP were aware of the limited effectiveness of the whooping cough vaccine as such is contained in the article.

The Pediatrics survey follows other recent news raising concerns among infectious disease specialists, including a study showing the whooping cough vaccine seems to lose much of its effectiveness after just three years - faster than doctors have thought - perhaps contributing to recent major outbreaks, most notably in California. Also, data reported in September show that a record number of kindergartners' parents in California last year used a personal belief exemption to avoid vaccination requirements.

Are you aware that there is more than one form of Hepatitis?

Are you aware that children are vaccinated for more than one form of Hepatitis?

Are you aware that children, including babies are at risk for developing Hep A and B, even though you seem to think they aren't?

Are you aware that Hep A can be transmitted person to person via direct contact?

Are you aware that the risk associated with Hep vaccines for children is extremely low and the risk of Hep infection is much higher?

Are you aware that chronic problems associated with Hepatitis, including cancer and death are much higher in children?

Are you aware of how nutty it is to compare humans and animals when the vaccines and diseases they prevent are completely different?

Personally I prefer to leave the anti-science BS to the wingnuts. YMMV.

[sam11111]

6. I support vax, .. but there is general skepticism of

The health biz due to many bad practices...like no housecalls in most parts of the US. That is criminal.

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Or..more about here again....Journal articles with a big name just added on ... And

contrary pill research squashed by the funding pill co.

20% of patients are harmed by hospitals. So MUCH is wildly wrong!

Healthcare needs to clean its ranks to get credibility on anything these days.

[eilen]

5. I'm a nurse and we don't give vaccines to sick kids

or adults. We ask them to come back when they are feeling better. Usually they get them at well child visits/physicals. Maybe it is different where you live. The only reason I can think of for giving a shot when a kid or adult has a virus is perhaps because they don't show up for their visits and we want to make sure they get their shots. Most public schools will not allow a kid without the innoculations. I took my nephew for some shots he needed before school and they actually deducted the cost of them from the bill at our community health clinic.

[truedelphi]

13. I have friends living in various places all over the country

And I cannot tell you how many times a mom mentions to me that one of her kids was in at the doctor's a week earlier, and then while there for being sick, someone on the nursing staff insisted on givng the kid a vaccine - sometimes without even letting the parent know!

But in any event - thank you for being on top of the safe vaccine procedures.

[uppityperson]

15. How would a nurse give a kid a vaccine without letting the parent know?

No, you don't give vaccines without parent's permission, unless the child is able to legally consent to it. If a place does, I would report them.

[truedelphi]

18. It happens every moment somewhere in Califonia.

A baby is born, the nurse sweeps in and tells the parents that they need to take the the baby for a few moments for its "well baby check up."

And whether the parent is verbally informed of the fact that the newborn will now be receiving a group of vaccine material in their newborn litle body, or not, is unimporant legally, as the hospital has the parents sign off on this with a huge pile of peprwork on admission.

Many people do not realize what the contents of each sheaf of paper are.
Which is how it is planned.

[uppityperson]

20. But you were talking about at the doctor's office. Here...

"And I cannot tell you how many times a mom mentions to me that one of her kids was in at the doctor's a week earlier, and then while there for being sick, someone on the nursing staff insisted on givng the kid a vaccine - sometimes without even letting the parent know!"

How can they give a child a vaccine without letting the parent know?

I can understand being overwhelmed at the hospital and signing papers, which you should never do and which ethical places won't have you do, but you were talking about at a doctor's office.

[uppityperson]

14. Not quite accurate

"That the risks are greater to the newborn baby population from getting the Hepatitis vaccine, rather than not having it -- as Hepatitis strikes ADULTS who have unsafe sex, and share dirty needles used for a drug habit? "

I'd like to see a link to a reputable source showing that. Here's the reason they give it to infants:
http://www.vaccineinformation.org/hepb/qandavax.asp

Why is this vaccine recommended for all babies when most of them won't be exposed to HBV for many years, if then?
There are four reasons for recommending that all infants receive hepatitis B vaccine, starting at birth. First, people have a very high risk for developing chronic HBV infection if they become infected at birth or during childhood, with an increased risk of dying prematurely from liver cancer or cirrhosis. In addition, HBV infection in infants and young children usually produces no symptoms, so these individuals can spread the infection to others without knowing it.

Third, most early childhood spread of HBV occurs in households where a person has chronic HBV infection, but the spread of HBV has also been recognized in daycare centers and schools.

Fourth, long-term protection following infant vaccination is expected to last for decades and will ultimately protect against acquiring infection at any age.

"That one simple gesture - that of shaking the vial that the vaccination material before the needle draws the vaccine material from the vial, can protect a child - thus saving your child (or someone' else's) from having too many heavy metals et al from their shot? Yet many health practitioners either don't know they should do this, or they don't bother."

I'd like to see anyone who didn't do this, though generally we roll the vial to mix it as shaking it can get air bubbles into it. I'd like to know of anyone who gives any medicine from a multi-dose vial who doesn't mix it ahead of time. But I don't.

"Are you aware that veterinarians have instructed their staff to not administer vaccines to any animal that has been brought in sick or injured? Vets are quite familiar with the animal studies that show a huge spike in cancer rates among animals who have been vaccinated while ill.

Meanwhile, to make it more convenient for a parent, the nurses at doctor's offices routinely give vaccines to kids who were brought in because of illness."

No clinic I ever worked at or brought my child to would give a vaccine to anyone who was already sick. Again, I'd like to see any proof of that assertion as you are wrong.

[WolverineDG]

17. I thought you couldn't give a vaccination to someone who has a fever

at least that's what I've always been told.

dg

[truedelphi]

21. In the mid nineteen nineties, when Senator Burton had his

Oversight Committee to present both dozens of parents to come forward and testify, for the Congressional Record, and also the work of Andrew Wakefield, there were several parents who discussed how the first time that their child showed a difficulty in life was directly after a nurse injected the baby with a vaccine - even though the baby was ill.

I don't know why it happens - it is Vaccination Protocol 101 to not vaccinate a sick kid.

But then, we live in a system of "health care" where often there are internal "standards" as to how much time that practitioners can spend with a child.

So I guess the HMO's thinking is, if you can grab the baby or child and vaccinate them while they are there, they have eliminated yet another pesky mom (with kid in tow) from showing up a week later and taking up MORE time from the nurse practitioners and the doctor.

I forget the stats on office visits, but it's something like "fifteen minutes" per visit in the USA. My doctor will take twenty minutes (or more) of his time, and have his staff do tests or other parts of an exam for another hour, if that's what I need. But it took me two years to find this gem of a doctor. And he is private pay, not HMO, so it is a drain on my budget. But if my health isn't worth it, what is?

[Ilsa]

7. I have never quite understood the urgency to vax for Hep B.

It is generally for blood and body fluids transmission and sexual activity. Why aren't physicians asking ALL adults to get the series?

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. I had Hep B at 6 years old. They never could figure out how I got it,

but I did. My entire family had to be vaccinated and I had to have shots yearly. I can't donate blood because of it.

[no_hypocrisy]

8. Warning: Not getting your children vaccinated can lead to their removal from your home.

I'm trying to return the children removed from my client by Child Protection. One factor among others (e.g., messy house, homeschooling, neglect) is the children weren't vaccinated as cited in the article. It does count. One of the first things that Child Protection did once the children were in its custody and care was to arrange for them to be immunized.

It doesn't matter when it's intentional to withhold the vaccines or a question of cost, it's the same result.

[Maat]

9. And, as a retired CPS worker (retired ten years ago) ...

I condemn this. I always advised parents of their rights, and went along with their wishes as to this. I have educated family members and friends who still work for the Department as to parents' rights.

I'm sending you the best of consciousness and positive energy. Thank you for your work.

By the way, a child protective agency cannot remove just for not vaccinating. That's just more justification the worker put into the petition - 'no vaccinations.' The parents can always speak about that, through you, of course, and furnish any pertinent waivers. My relative, a worker, refused the H1N1 shot for her kid. So, this is contentious, and can be addressed. That is so sad that they took that decision away from the parents. It's wrong.

[no_hypocrisy]

12. Thank you for your thoughts and well wishes.

Yes, the immunizations (or lack thereof) were but one factor of several. Their omission certainly didn't bolster my client's case.

And taken in the whole context of my client, the mother of the five children, was a classic case of Stockholm Syndrome in a DV household. She didn't make a single decision on behalf of her children or challenge her husband.

[Maat]

16. Oh ... there's the REAL problem ...

and that's a rough one. She's going to have to be brave ... there's a long road of healing ahead of her. Sending you and her and the kids positive thoughts and consciousness.

I, personally, allow my child to have the mandatory vaccinations; BUT not the non-required ones. If either the H1N1 or HPV vaccines become required, I will likely opt out. This is a parental decision as far as I am concerned. The commissioners and judges always have to keep in mind that parents can opt out of them; and, if I were the worker, that would be mentioned multiple times - BEFORE someone ran out and vaccinated them. We have to get parental permission to get kids a haircut, for Gawdsakes; and yet the System frequently doesn't respect parental rights as to the more important things. Sad.

[Mr Deltoid]

10. Or as Michelle Bachmann lovingly refers to them...

'Government injections.'

[defendandprotect]

11. Too many kids are getting sick -- and too many questions about Big Pharma .. !!!