Whoever Printed This Sign Should Be Absolutely Ashamed Of Themselves

[Playinghardball]

Source: MoveOn.org

[SmileyRose]

1. I disagree

whoever printed that sign is probably a lowly paid office clerk who can't afford to lose their job if they refuse to post a notice to ALL water customers because they personally might disagree with a law the water company probably didn't like either but has to protect themselves against.

[stellanoir]

5. Yeah I agree with you.

Some state employee might in some way, want to give a heads up to people that they'd better figure out this pathetically draconian legislation which threatens their most basic of needs before they show up and can't vote next year.

[Bloke 32]

9. Precisely

Don't blame the messenger.

[aquart]

2. Ashamed? For pointing out that the immigration bill hits citizens?

Nuh uh. I can't think of a better way to piss people off enough to complain and get it changed. Excellent. Hope every single state and local agency has a similar sign up.

[sabrina 1]

20. Maybe it should also point out how NAFTA hit Mexican small

businesses driving millions of Mexican farmers out of work, costing many their small farms. But hey, we don't owe anyone anything. Take what we can and kill if necessary, to get it.

[aquart]

29. Goodness, how relevant to the discussion.

But good on you, you jammed that talking point right in.

[sabrina 1]

31. Facts are talking points?

Come to think of it, they should be. So thanks, I will remember to jam talking point facts in whenever necessary.

[Raven]

3. Will access to food be next? ID at the checkout counter?

[demosincebirth]

4. Well, thats another state I'll skip during my vacation

[glowing]

6. What about a foreign person who owns a vacation property? Are they

not allowed water, even though they bought property and pay taxes. What about the foreign car manufacturers? The Koreans wouldn't have Alabama Drivers License; would the company lose water? It doesn't make sense to me why water would be turned off?

[SheilaT]

16. Or even someone who merely lives in

a different state and this is a vacation or rental property.

[FarCenter]

17. Foreign visitors would have a passport and a visa

So they would not be "undocumented".

[sharp_stick]

19. They aren't asking for documentation

they want an AL drivers license or ID card. My CT license would not cut it if this is actually the law and I would accordingly lose water to any property I own.

Personally I think this is the result of some bureaucrat that "thinks" he/she understands a new law while actually not having the first clue of what his/her responsibility really is. It seems that every time some idiotic law gets passed, usually one that seeks to address some hot button issue everybody becomes a legal expert and effectively proves how stupid they really are.

[FarCenter]

24. The text of the statute says "an alien not lawfully present"

Section 30. (a) For the purposes of this section, “business transaction” includes any transaction between a person and the state or a political subdivision of the state, including, but not limited to, applying for or renewing a motor vehicle license plate, applying for or renewing a driver’s license or nondriver identification card, or applying for or renewing a business license. “Business transaction” does not include applying for a marriage license.

(b) An alien not lawfully present in the United States shall not enter into or attempt to enter into a business transaction with the state or a political subdivision of the state and no person shall enter into a business transaction or attempt to enter into a business transaction on behalf of an alien not lawfully present in the United States.

(c) Any person entering into a business transaction or attempting to enter into a business transaction with this state or a political subdivision of this state shall be required to demonstrate his or her United States citizenship, or if he or she is an alien, his or her lawful presence in the United States to the person conducting the business transaction on behalf of this state or a political subdivision of this state. United States citizenship shall be demonstrated by presentation of one of the documents listed in Section 29(k). An alien’s lawful presence in the United States shall be demonstrated by this state’s or a political subdivision of this state’s verification of the alien’s lawful presence through the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements program operated by the Department of Homeland Security, or by other verification with the Department of Homeland Security pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1373(c).

(d) A violation of this section is a Class C felony.

http://latindispatch.com/2011/06/09/text-of-alabama-immigration-law-hb-56/

[aquart]

30. Or the hysteria-pandering law was ineptly written.

[gratuitous]

7. We are all INS agents now

Papers, please.

[Major Hogwash]

8. What kind of law did they pass in Alabama that would require ID to get water service?

Man, that doesn't even sound right.

[Kalidurga]

10. That doesn't even look legal...

it might be a law, but it seems to conflict with our laws...Well I am confused.

[SmileyRose]

14. Water companies are usually are all or partially government agencies

and the new law makes it illegal to do business with anyone here illegally. The only way they can know for sure is to require all water customers to prove citizenship.

[Fire Walk With Me]

11. Someone should write at its bottom the address of the nearest #Occupy protest.

[TheKentuckian]

12. It is those that created such a policy and voted to make it legal that should be pig food.

Those that support such folks aren't much better.

The person that made the sign is a nobody doing a job, what would not telling people do to improve the situation. The problem is on another pay grade.

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. Is that true?

They are turning off utilities for customers who aren't citizens??

[appleannie1]

15. Water Dept. - Sylacauga Utilities Board

 THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
ACCOUNT MUST BE PRESENT.
 SPOUSE’S NAME (where applicable).
 You should know your CURRENT ADDRESS,
and your NEW ADDRESS.
 Please bring 2 forms of ID. One must be a
PICTURE ID such as a current DRIVERS
LICENSE. We will also need your DATE OF
BIRTH, and SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.
 Provide all TELEPHONE NUMBERS where you
may be contacted.
 EMPLOYER NAME & ADDRESS

http://www.sylacauga.net/utilities/water_service.pdf

I wonder if you have to be employed in order to get water service too since you employers name and address are also required.

[sammytko]

21. In my experience getting water hookup is stricter -

Both times - Tx and OK - small town - fairly high deposit and no waivers. When I lived off base in OK, the electric company would waive deposits for active duty military, but not the water service.

Maybe stricter cuz most water service is run by the town and electric is big utility company.

[MatthewStLouis]

18. Maybe the silver lining is: more people will get IDs thus more will be allowed to vote?

I don't know if Alabama has voter ID laws, but I'd bet they do. When the Greed Over People party hands you lemons, we have to get busy and make sure EVERYONE who can vote is registered and has an ID to help them do it.

[Hutzpa]

22. That looks like segregation.

so everything that the civil rights movement has worked for is being dismantle overnight.

[immoderate]

23. That's Nazi shit!

--imm

[lunatica]

25. I guess Alabama is off my tourist destinations

I never had to give my water company anything except my name so they would know who to bill.

[RebelOne]

26. Why would you want to visit Alabama anyway?

It is the next state over from me here in Georgia. I have had to go Alabama, but not as a tourist.

[lunatica]

27. I was being snarky. I've never had an interest in Alabama

I did live in Fayetteville, North Carolina for a couple of years though. I graduated from High School there and went to Oshkosh, Wisconsin to one of the Wisconsin State Universities.

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