Tom Tomorrow: But what do they want?

[FourScore]

Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 06:50 AM PDT
But what do they want?
by Tom Tomorrow




http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/10/1024469/-But-what-do-they-want?via=blog_1

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

1. K & R. nt

[Blue_Tires]

2. brilliant

[HughBeaumont]

3. The message is there. They CHOOSE not to listen.

Just like Bewsh CHOSE to double the national debt on useless wars, overreach and tax cuts for the wealthy . . . which led to approximately 10 years of zero job growth.

[Gold Metal Flake]

8. I suggest they are PAID to pretend to not understand.

They are not wrong or ignorant. They are actively engaged in misinformation and suppression. They are paid millions to do so, and they do so with glee. The corporate media machine is our greatest enemy.

[Aerows]

21. I'm not suggesting

Insinuating or hinting that they are paid NOT to understand. I'm flat out ASSERTING that they are :).

Nail on the head, GMF, you hit it.

[alterfurz]

37. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something...

...when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

[99th_Monkey]

44. +1000 nt

[7wo7rees]

52. +1

Perfect connection to this toon.

Another quote I like: "No one ever lost money UNDERestimating the intelligence of the masses." - H.L. Mencken

[bjobotts]

57. The "OBVIOUS" is that they are protesting ON wall street..so guess why there? idiots

[Enthusiast]

67. Exactly.........nt

[Enthusiast]

66. PLUS ONE! nt

[Amonester]

13. Heck, they R...

SCARED too many will listen (and UNDERSTAND).

[customerserviceguy]

19. Well, I don't get it either

"Economic injustice" is just a buzz phrase. It is not a substitute for a list of concrete requests that can actually be implemented.

We had a really clear one about 46-50 years ago, it went something like this, "US out of Vietnam!" It didn't seem to be too ambiguous.

[newspeak]

26. so, "regulate wall street"

"corporations are not people" ""people over profits" "WS bets on our misery which they created" "WS immoral or criminals?" "the best congress money can buy" "corportocracy or democracy-choose"

So they don't have a message?

[customerserviceguy]

31. Some of your phrases have meaning

Some don't.

"Regulate Wall Street" seems simple enough, until you get to writing down what is being regulated, and how that regulation works. Then, "The best Congress money can buy" is relevant, because those are the fools who will write the rules. However, isn't it better to protest outside of congresscritters' offices, and the US Capitol with that message? You're not going to shame the Wall Streeters and the banksters out of buying election campaigns.

"WS bets on our misery which they created" is meaningful, and bolsters up the idea that regulating fairy-dust securities that are simply naked gambling is something to be included in the demand behind "Regulate Wall Street"

But "Corporations are not people" means changing the First Amendment to void the Citizens United decision. That means pressure on Congress, and then in the state legislatures. Again, I don't expect the 1% to ever care about overturning that decision.

"People over profits" is meaningless. Small businesses need profits to sustain and grow, and people who have 401K's and IRAs want those investments to make gains. We cannot turn all of society into a fully nonprofit organization, and the mushy middle will never let that happen.

[Electric Monk]

33. See post #21

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2089403#2089640

[customerserviceguy]

36. Yes, the enemies of progressivism

will always seek to obscure the message. But we don't have to make it so damned easy for them.

The President's made a case for the surtax on millionaires. Of course, the Repig-dominated House won't even talk about it, much less bring it up for a vote. If the OWS protesters can simply get behind that, then they have something concrete that they're asking for, that a sympathetic electorate can grant to them in the 2012 elections. I've long said that if the tea partiers show their stupidity in this Congress, then America will be eager to put grown-ups back in charge again.

But if our side's voice is leaderless people who aimlessly carry cardboard signs with vague slogans, that have no real solutions even hinted at within the slogan, it's going to be tough to make the tea partiers look like the children in the room.

[AlbertCat]

48. "Corporations are not people" means changing the First Amendment to void the Citizens United decisi

No it doesn't.

The "corporations are people" baloney is based on a CLERICAL ERROR done in the 19th century. If admitting that renders the Citizens United decision moot, then so be it.

Besides, where in the 1st amendment does it say money = speech?

[plumbob]

56. How about: Kill the corporations! Make that form of business illegal!

Adam Smith wanted no corporations. Me, neither.

Ramifications: no more stock exchanges and personal liability for mis-, mal-, and non-feasance.

9 words with 20 words of explanation if needed.

[JDPriestly]

59. Mostly we and they want an end to corporate control of our government.

We want corporate donations to politicians to stop.

We want corporate propaganda other than ads that stick to talking about products taken out of the media.

We want corporations to act responsibly.

We want the end to usurious interest rates.

We want investment in businesses in the US.

We want an end to unemployment.

We want strong Social Security and Medicare systems.

We want the banks to be honest.

We want an end to gambling on Wall Street.

We want enforcement and respect for the rights of man at least those set forth in the US Constitution including right to counsel, right to trial by jury and habeas corpus for any accused, for any defendant (anywhere).

We want the torturers and the thieves to be prosecuted.

We want to bring our troops home.

We want the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq to be ended now.

And much, much more.

Our list is very long -- too long to fit on a sign, too long for a TV sound bite.

We want the change we were promised in 2008.

Oh, yes, and we want all education to be provided without cost to the student, especially without cost to students who cannot afford the tuition.

Pay people less in later life or impose higher taxes on them, but don't confront kids with a choice between 30 years of debt and an education.

[chervilant]

61. Plus a gazillion million + 50 million times infinity! n/t

[liberation]

39. "We had a really clear one about 46-50 years ago"

I think you misspelled "they"

[OnyxCollie]

53. !

[defendandprotect]

49. Well, how about what the RW calls the "Sexual Revolution" .... ???

That's a bit of RW propaganda in itself, attempting to reduce, imo, the youth

revolution to something racy --

Certainly it was anti-war -- but wasn't it also anti-MIC -- anti-corporate greed?

Anti-exploitation of youth to fight corporate wars? Anti-immmorality of the war?

Anti-torture/Phoenix Program? Anti-Napalm? Anti-Monsanto?

If we reflect back on those years, it's obvious that we were suffering the same thing

then as we are now --

Certainly the LEFT/OWS are anti-war -- 80% of the nation wants an end to the wars!



But let's look back for a moment about what the Youth Revolution was all about --


Indeed, in 1972, when the details began to come out about a break-in at Democratic Party headquarters in the Watergate Hotel, Mae immediately recognized personnel and modus operandi from nine years of assassination research, while the mainstream press continued to refer to Watergate as a "caper" and "a third-rate burglary." And so it came to pass that while Rabbi Magnin was entertaining Richard Nixon at his home in Los Angeles, his daughter Mae was revealing the President's role in an incredible conspiracy. Meanwhile, she also perceived an assassination plot, not merely against specific individuals, but against the entire counterculture that was burgeoning at the time.

"I realized that in this country we had a revolution--of housing, food, hair style, clothing, cosmetics, transportation, value systems, religion--it was an economic revolution, affecting the cosmetics industry, canned foods, the use of land; people were delivering their own babies, recycling old clothes, withdrawing from spectator sports. They were breaking the barriers where white and black could rap in 1967. This was the year of the Beatles, the summer of Sergeant Pepper, the Monterey Pop Festival, Haight-Ashbury, make your own candle and turn off the electricity, turn on with your friends and laugh--that's what life was all about."

http://maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Ballad%20of%20Mae%20Brussell.html


That's by Mae Brussel who can certainly help get your head screwed on straight -- !!


And ...


Mae Brssel in rethinking Charles Manson as something other than a "hippie" --


In this world, in this strange world of covert overthrow of the governments and clandestine armies and secret operations, the problem we're facing is that you are working with two realities: you're working with what we assume is the real way to function and move, and we are working with a system of what we call power: exchange of power, economic power, power over people; controlling their lives. In order to do that you disguise certain persons and send them into roles to influence; they become actors on a stage and they influence our minds in a way that is not real but effect a reality that will touch us later.

A propos of the Manson thing: the Oda trial; the murder of the Oda family goes on trial Monday, with accused murderer, Fazier. It's in the paper today. That was not a hippie murder—I've said it before. They took the trial out of Santa Cruz up to Redwood City. We'll do a show on the Oda trial, but the Manson trial effects this particular geographic area, it's close to us; it's close to home.

California was where the flower children were. Big Sur was the home of people like Joan Baez, Henry Miller, free souls, artists roaming. California was an important state in terms of conspiracies to kill candidates and presidents, and to effect national policy. It's part of the military-industrial-complex. I'm going to explain why the murder of Sharon Tate and the other persons in her home was a political massacre. Other researchers have done work on John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, and Martin Luther King. I was the first researcher in the United States to turn the other peoples' minds to the fact that the same lawyers, the same planners, the same teams originated this particular massacre, and what effect it would have on our society.

It had to be planned well in advanced of when it happened. I'm going to give you my conclusions on the Manson—I call it the Manson trial because nobody talks about it being Charles Watson's massacre. That's the boy who killed seven people, but the news media associates the name Charles Manson . He made the picture on the cover of Life; He is the man that you associate with killing Sharon Tate. Many people don't even know the name Charles Watson, because you're not supposed to know it. Right now there's a hung jury in Los Angeles on the decision of whether Charles Watson is guilty of murdering seven people. He was in the home. He did the stabbing forty times. He wrote "death to the pigs" on the door. The jury can't decide if he was guilty.

My conclusions are, number one: that all of these persons involved—the major people—are agent provaceteurs. They come at a time to increase violence, to come down on a segment of our society prior to an election year to make law and order necessary to protect us from the people at large in our society.

Continued . . .

http://maebrussell.com/Transcriptions/16.html


And thus the demonizing of the Youth Revolution --

[NBachers]

60. Oh no, you put a Mae Brussell link in front of me

and I had to go read every single word and now it's late and I've got to get up early.

I purposely avoid Mae Brussell because I'll dive into her world and I won't come back up for days . . .

[defendandprotect]

71. Same problem ---

She's up there with Agatha Christie for getting the gray matter going --

and of course --- George Carlin -- !!!

Howard Zinn --



:hi:

[caseymoz]

58. But there are many more fires to put out now.

You go to any meeting of progressive activists, and every one of them will have a different idea of what is the most important issue: one will say guaranteeing paper ballots that count every vote, another will say campaign finance reforms, another will say Global Warming, another will say bringing out troops home from Afghanistan and Iraq, another will say income inequality . . . I can go on.

So, they cannot agree on the most important one. But if they worked within the system, any one of those reforms will take years, and still might not succeed.

But this is the sorry fact: they're right all of those are critical! And if they are all going on at once, there's only one interpretation: our system is broken beyond repair, socially, politically and economically. You're not going to get anything done working within the system, because you're working with broken tools.

And I think what's behind Occupy Wall Street is that this is finally dawning on progressives.

[Phentex]

4. Funny but sad...

this is exactly how the news heads sounded last week.

[gateley]

5. K&R! Perfect! nt

[Eyerish]

6. K&R

[annabanana]

7. fortunately, this is changing

It turns out than many pundits get tired of looking like fucking idiots! (who knew?)

[leveymg]

9. As usual, Tom T. is Right On.

The uncomprehending MSM ninnies will never get it until the studio set erupts into flame around them.

[wtmusic]

10. CNN Alison Kosik's tweet

@Bookgirl96 Purpose in 140 or less, bang on the bongos, smoke weed!

http://wonkette.com/454304/dim-cnn-reporter-offers-news-analysis-of-protests-they-smoke-weed

[Supersedeas]

17. CNN's Erin Burnette

[City Lights]

11. I loves me some Tom Tomorrow!

Rec'd.

[Douglas Carpenter]

12. that pretty much sum it up

[Douglas Carpenter]

14. that pretty much sums a lot of the media coverage

[ZombieHorde]

15. Awesome. nt

[valerief]

16. That's MSM coverage to a T. nt

[Cairycat]

18. Excellent! Except shouldn't the newsbunny

be blonde?

[Enthusiast]

68. Good observation....nt

[Billypenn]

20. They want

what they've always wanted. Always denied. Always ignored.

[Starry Messenger]

22. k&r

[Phentex]

23. kick

yeah, i kicked it

[Fire Walk With Me]

24. Love you Tom Tomorrow. Thanks for posting!

[Angry Dragon]

25. Torches and Pitchforks to the Front

[frogmarch]

27. k&r!

[Uncle Joe]

28. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, FourScore.:thumbsup:

[Kingofalldems]

29. Unfortunately I have read quite a few posts right here

saying the same things.

[Zorra]

30. I don't get it.

Just kidding.

[bvar22]

32. The sad part...

... is to see that crap repeated on DU so often.

The message IS crystal clear.



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
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[aint_no_life_nowhere]

34. But Teatalitarians saying "get your government hands off my medicare" makes perfect sense

Few in the media criticized the teabaggers who blindly objected to "Obamacare" but had no idea how to make our so-called healthcare system work without reforming it.

[DirkGently]

35. Somehow there was nothing confusing about calling Obama a Communo Fascist Socialist Hitler

... it was just exciting and newsworthy.

[Enthusiast]

69. Good point......nt

[baldguy]

38. "...then they ridicule you..."

[DeSwiss]

41. Yep. There is nothing new under the sun......

"All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; and Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

~Arthur Schopenhauer

- K&R

[Presidentcokedupfratboy]

40. What do they want?

Not much. Just for those who are really, really wealthy to pay their fair share.

[defendandprotect]

42. Only hearing what they want to hear ... !!!

[TBF]

43. Outstanding. nt

[krispos42]

45. Sniff sniff... smell the liberal media yet?

Right next to the smell of elf farts and cooking unicorn meat.

[chervilant]

62. Not to mention,

SEEING all the shiny, glittering rainbows gushing out of our coveted ponies' asses...

[WillyT]

46. HUGE K & R !!!

:kick:

[lib2DaBone]

47. Eggs Actly! The smiley happy Corporate talking heads....

... just CAN"T IMAGINE why anyone would be upset over $100K in student debt and no job prospects.

Kind of like home owners who lost their homes because of Electronic siging and Obama failed to act.

i.e. No one cares. The crooks are runing Free and you are on your own.

[varelse]

50. this is awesome :)

[OwnedByFerrets]

51. BEST ONE EVER!!

[NuttyFluffers]

54. excellent. privately owned media is the 1%

it just has lots of dependent employees that need the gravy train to keep going.

[Kurovski]

55. K&R. (nt)

[liberal N proud]

63. MSM - talking heads nailed

[spicegal]

64. Seriously, every time I hear some knuckle head in the press

insist the OWS protestors don't have a clear message, platform, plan, etc., my head feels like it wants to explode. It's crystal clear, distilled into one phrase: ECONOMIC INJUSTICE resulting from a increasingly corrupt political and judicial system (Citizens United) that protects the wealthy and ignores the well being of the remaining 99%.

[Enthusiast]

65. Incredible.

This fully captures our circumstances.

[hay rick]

70. K&R