Did a Tea Party member murder 8 people in Seal Beach California today?

[951-Riverside]

Source: http://www.presstelegram.com/breakingnews/ci_19097680

Check out his license plate cover (You'll have to zoom in):


The shooter:

[Drale]

1. Even if its true

nothing will be made of it in the media because the media is sooooooo "liberal".

[warrior1]

2. good catch

murdering son of a bitch. I hope he burns.

[FarLeftFist]

3. HO-LEE-SHIIIT!

I bet the gun was legal and he had a permit as well.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

8. I'll bet you $5 he had no permit to own that gun.

[FarLeftFist]

14. OK it's a bet! Did he have a gun permit?

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

20. LOL - I don't know... if I knew already it wouldn't be much of a bet.

We'll have to find out.

[malaise]

35. Which of them?n/t

[slackmaster]

80. Self-deleted

Not worth it.

[snooper2]

142. I just said HO-LEE-SHIIT, but I thought the content of your post would be different

I was going to say,

Damn, he could milk a calf with those nips :rofl:

[warrior1]

4. why

isn't this fucker driving an American made car?

[zbdent]

29. according to Conservatives with auto manufacturers in their states ...

it would be considered an "American made" car ...

which is really interesting given a "study" I heard about not long ago ... some a**hat trying to put down the libs again said about the number of "foreign-made" cars in "urban" areas (cities) ... I wanted to scream at that person about how any time I rant about "American Made" cars, they go on and on about how many "American" cars are made of parts from foreign countries or are assembled in foreign countries, while "American workers" are assembling "foreign" brand cars in the U.S. (in conservative areas which, 40 years ago, the people wouldn't be caught dead driving "rice-burners" ...)

[NICO9000]

51. 'Cuz they're made by union thugs!

Seriously though, this is awful.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

5. Unless the murders are politically motivated... it doesn't really matter who he votes for.

[warrior1]

7. it matters

to the people and family of his victims. They've got a hate on for everyone.

[valerief]

11. +10000

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

16. The family of his victims care about the guy's political interests?

Even if they did take an interest in the guy's Tea party membership - it wouldn't matter.

A perpetrator's race makes no difference unless it is a hate crime
A perpetrator's religious belief make no difference unless it it's religiously motivated
A perpetrator's political party make no difference unless thecrime was politically motivated.
...

It really is that simple. I'm sure there are a shit ton of democrats in prison for all sorts of crap. We can't just start lumping people together with neat little sterotypes & labels... because sooner or later someone will do it to us. Such statements being made without knowing all the facts are extremely juvenile and ignorant.

[1StrongBlackMan]

52. If that were only true ...

A perpetrator's race makes All the difference, if that race is different from their's.
A perpetrator's religious belief makes All the difference, if that religious beliefs are different from their's.
A perpetrator's political party makes All the difference, if that political party/ideology is different from their's.

[slackmaster]

103. Please read this article before you conclude that the crime had anything to do with politics

http://belmontshore.patch.com/articles/profile-emerges-of-suspected-salon-killer

[JDPriestly]

117. It is about the violent attitude of the man which is reflected not only

in this inhuman act but in his politics.

The problem is the "me, me, me" mindset. It is the same mindset that elected Reagan, that fuels the TeaBagger movement (and most of the Republican Party) and that makes so many divorces so bitter and cruel especially for the children.

[slackmaster]

135. Yes, maybe he was a peaceful liberal Democrat before the accident that nearly killed him

:grouphug:

[pacalo]

71. It's very enlightening to me. In a civilized world, disputes are handled

maturely by adults. In a teabagger's world, it's not surprising to see a gun involved.

Not to mention that knowing he's a teabagger tells me his IQ would have to rise to reach room temperature.

[randome]

94. Agree.

It can come back to bite us -the next time a crime is committed by someone who is a registered Democrat.

Of course, anecdotal evidence points to most crimes of this nature being perpetrated by die-hard conservatives. Has anyone done this kind of statistical analysis? Hmmm.....

[JDPriestly]

118. That would be interesting.

[JuniperLea]

121. It sure as fuck does matter...

He shot my friends.

[FarLeftFist]

6. K&R! for the thread RIP for the victims.

[notadmblnd]

9. I'm sure he don't know nothing about that

:sarcasm: Seriously though, just looking at him, I'd guess he was upset cause his wife left him. Has anyone talked about a motive yet?

[Hepburn]

90. According to an article I read, he is the one who filed for the divorce.

Article stated that there was a on-going custody battle over the children.

Oh, great...now those kids have NO parent to care for them.

What a totally fucking asshole. :grr:

[Dreamer Tatum]

10. Did you miss the part where they said it was POSSIBLY his car? nt

[Dreamer Tatum]

26. Evidently it IS his truck. Tea Party SCUMBAG.

Put him first in line for the DP - I'm sure he supports it.

[me b zola]

44. No, no dp please

But what a wake up prison will be for a conservative. You know how they go on and on about how much luxuries prisoners have. To hear a conservative talk about US prisons you'd think they were a resort. He is about to become exposed to the truth, and it won't be pleasant.

[slackmaster]

104. It wouldn't make any difference. Very few California prisoners are ever executed. Most die of...

...natural causes.

Here is some recommended reading for you, Dreamer Tatum.

http://belmontshore.patch.com/articles/profile-emerges-of-suspected-salon-killer

[Dennis Donovan]

12. zoomed:

[chollybocker]

13. Gotcha.

And the marine animal plate... and what's that anchor symbol hanging around his neck? Anyone?

[Autumn]

17. dupe

[Autumn]

19. Looks like a Navy anchor

My BIL had one similar to that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. USN Navy Chief

[Autumn]

34. Yep. Just like the one my BIL had

and he was a retired Chief. :-(

[elehhhhna]

38. He's a pirate! I'm serieS!!!!

[chollybocker]

47. 'Tis true!

Police say they found his parrot on board the ship, glassy-eyed and pining for the fjords.

:eyes:

[Justpat]

15. A Freeper and he needs a man bra.

What a loser.

[shanti]

23. self-delete

not appropriate

[ChandlerJr]

32. Looks like 3 well fed people in the photo

what can you deduce from that? Have you formed an opinion you'd care to share?

[Paladin]

18. He's All Yours, DU Gun Enthusiasts.

Run that line by us one more time, about gun rights somehow being a progressive concept......

[catabryna]

21. I'm no fan of the tea party...

but, this sort of evil crap happens all the time. Yeah... it's a tea partier? I can't go there.

[Dreamer Tatum]

28. Except they're known to CARRY GUNS and don't mind shooting to settle arguments. nt

[malaise]

36. I'll go there for you n/t

[catabryna]

37. Don't do it in my name...

I think I spoke for myself quite well, thank you very much!

[Hepburn]

91. +1,000...

...me, too, Malaise! :hi:

[renate]

68. it's hard to imagine a 99%-er doing something senseless and cruel like this

Of course there are horrible and unhinged people across the political spectrum, but who is it easier to imagine choosing the route of violence to deal with a problem? Especially gun violence?

It's kind of like when you hear of a sex scandal in Washington, especially a homosexual-sex scandal. Who is likelier to be involved--a Republican or a Democrat? Sure, nobody's perfect, but history tells us that it's likely to be a Republican.

[catabryna]

78. I'm disappointed

when people go out of their way to look for the first sign that the person might be a Republican or a tea partier so they can pounce on it.

I do not disagree with your point of view.

[kiva]

129. Agreed.

Don't give a damn about his politics, his crazy won out and killed people.

[malaise]

22. Rec

Get thee to the greatest page

[The Backlash Cometh]

25. Man boobs!

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Two things

One is the USN anchors, retired chief probably.

The other he belongs to the tea party.

Neither should matter but both do in a way. Disgruntled husband does not fully 'xplain this.

[pintobean]

41. I'm missing something here.

Is there something wrong with being retired Navy?

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. What you are missing is that some chiefs

Can't handle retirement and at times commit suicide or suicide by cop...psych eval is in order. This goes for senior enlisted of all branches.

[pintobean]

46. Got a link?

Where did you get this info? Is the rate of suicide among retired E7-E9 higher than ex-military in general, or the general population?

[nadinbrzezinski]

109. You can research that yourself

I will not do your research.

[pintobean]

110. You made the claim

If you won't back it up, I'll assume it's not valid.

[nadinbrzezinski]

115. You assume whatever I say is not valid

So what is new? I linked to Mexican press since that I assume you have no clue. But my claim is well known by the VA. So whatever

I can say the sky is cloudy and it is currently 16 degrees centigrade in Mexico city, and we had a hurricane come in and a tropical storm and a cold front, and you'd still question it so here it is, the extent of what I should give you anymore.

[pintobean]

120. I didn't assume anything. I asked questions

because I wanted to know. I'm ex-navy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

126. Well then

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/11/national/main6083072.shtml

http://wiki.medpedia.com/Clinical:Untreated_Veterans_with_Post-Traumatic_Stress_Disorder_or_Depression

There is more on the web

[pintobean]

130. Neither of those links support your claim

Not only that, the article doesn't support your claim that the suspect was suicidal, or suicidal by cop.

"One of the officers who responded to the shots-fired call spotted the suspect leaving the parking lot in his truck, Bowles said. Within minutes, the man was arrested without incident about a half-mile from the salon, the sergeant said, describing the man as cooperative."

[nadinbrzezinski]

131. As I said you can do your research

This s a problem known to the VA

And the psych eval is standard in these cases anyway.

[slackmaster]

88. Maybe he's also a violent asshole

But that's just a wild guess.

[janet118]

30. Nice man-boobs . . . Not!!

Sounds like an ex-wife was his target. Even if he is not a Tea Party member, he is definitely of the angry white guy genus from which many of the Tea Party/Glenn Beck/Fox News fans are spawned. A sick subculture that wreaks havoc on our country and their families. These morons with guns who believe they are action movie heroes need to be reprogrammed. They should be sent away to a prison where they can only watch chick flix and read books recommended by Oprah.

[glinda]

62. Except they want them fighting fires now. lol! Building the new conservative army.

[Pharaoh]

31. Driving a Honda

with a Yakima rack.

Bunch of morons!

[shanti]

33. toyota n/t

[Kievan Rus]

39. I highly doubt politics has anything to do with this.

It's a mistake to pin this on his politics. Ask yourself, why would a Teabagger (or anybody else, for that matter) shoot up a beauty salon because of twisted, radicalized politics? Even if this guy is a Teabagger, he's probably just a twisted person angry at the world that just happens to be a Teabagger.

I made the same mistake in the past on this board, by frequently politicizing the murder of three Pittsburgh Police officers in April 2009 by a deranged gunman, often blaming the tragedy on right-wing rhetoric causing the shooter, Richard Poplawski, to go off the deep end. It was never brought up at trial even once. The more I learned about that awful day, the more I realized that Poplawski was simply a twisted person angry at the world, and his rampage had absolutely nothing to do with talk radio or anti-Obama paranoia. I figure the same with this guy.

[SharonAnn]

42. Well, we had a guy here in Knoxville kill people at a church because of right-wing

radio and books which whipped him into a mental frenzy.

And Timothy McVeigh blew up the Federal Building in Oklahoma city because of right-wing political beliefs.

SO, it's happened.

[Kievan Rus]

43. It has, but I doubt this particular shooting has anything to do with it

[EFerrari]

53. We don't know enough yet. But the Tea Party made a huge deal

out of open carrying weapons so yes, it is fair to point out that this guy is one of them.

[crazyjoe]

70. I believe people were carrying weapons and commiting crimes

before the tea party was formed.

[EFerrari]

99. Correct. But they didn't make it a centerpiece of their political philosophy

as the Tea Party did. "Look, I can walk and wave a gun" is about as sophisticated as the Tea Party got.

[Carolina]

133. the motive behind the shooting

may have had nothing to do with it BUT the type of individual who settles the score in this manner is much more likely to be a wingnut and teabagger bully!

[AngryOldDem]

113. He was going through a divorce.

And was in a custody fight. Anger can reach the tipping point with either of those two factors alone.

What the guy had on his car is most likely immaterial.

[LiberalAndProud]

48. Does it illustrate a personality type likely to be attracted to the tea party?

As we discover the quality of the membership, do we uncover the makeup of the group?

Certainly there is a correlation.

[Cali_Democrat]

82. Indeed. n/t

[JDPriestly]

125. I share your point of view, LiberalAndProud

It's a matter of the type of authoritarian personality that is drawn to the TeaBagger movement.

[Downtown Hound]

144. You nailed it.

No, not every act of violence is committed by the Tea Party, but I think one thing we can say is that there are certain types of people drawn to the movement, (namely, overweight, angry, disaffected white males with a thing for guns).

[Ganja Ninja]

83. He went after his ex-wife.

It's not hard to imagine it was his extreme political views that lead to his divorce.

[JDPriestly]

122. Problem is that twisted people are more likely to be conservative

than liberal. That is because liberals espouse certain beliefs about community, cooperating, helping others, community, sharing, caring, sacrificing, etc. that are incompatible with "twisted," psychopathic thought and behavior.

Selfish, psychopathic, me, me, me individualism is more typical of conservatives. It's hard to reconcile a liberal view with shooting people. It can happen, but it is rare.

[AzDar]

40. He used his " Second Amendment Remedy" , apparently.

[cliffordu]

49. NIce tits.

[glinda]

63. ugggh

[cliffordu]

65. I would never say that about a woman.

Just a hog. A male pig.

That fucking teabagging murderer.

[EFerrari]

50. Oops, I didn't see this thread

and put up a similar one. Sorry, guys.

[lonestarnot]

54. Did he also throw his shoes at Mr. President? Somebody get that kid a brassiere.

[flamingdem]

55. In the words of Sarah Palin

yew betcha. That is a red area of California. It might be a fake but it's good conceptual work regardless.

[flamingdem]

56. I don't mean the boobs, I mean the photo of the car

who shot it, we don't know if it's really his car..

[951-Riverside]

57. About the photos...

It was shot by a photographer for the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Telegram">press telegram in long beach. http://www.presstelegram.com/breakingnews/ci_19097680">-Link to the story-.

[flamingdem]

58. I don't think the party affiliation is irrelevant

nt

[DainBramaged]

60. I wonder if he had a sword instead of a gun.............

America, guns for everyone, death for all.

[cherokeeprogressive]

66. Or a kitchen knife to kill 8 and wound 15, or Sarin gas to kill 13 and seriously injure 50, causing

breathing and vision issues for nearly a THOUSAND others.

Both of those things happened in Japan, where private gun ownership is not allowed.

For some though, it's all about guns, not the crimes themselves.

[DainBramaged]

67. Your example is as useful as hemorrhoid cream for zits

give me a BREAK. It IS about the guns.

[cherokeeprogressive]

59. His name is Scott Dekraai and he's donated money to a group that claims to be affiliated with the TP

called Stop This Insanity INC.

[glinda]

64. That donation failed to help him.....

[hexola]

75. Freeper mention of "Stop This Insanity"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2577608/posts

POST #8

Looks like they were questioning the veracity of the organization, but it appears some one from the outfit chimes in downthread.

[hexola]

77. Freeper Mention of "JoinTheTeaParty.us" from license plate

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2682094/posts

PHOENIX -- A tea party organization based in Mesa, Ariz., which has collected hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations, spent nearly half of its budget on marketing its own name, according to Federal Elections Commission documents.

Those records, obtained during a CBS 5 News investigation, also show the organization spent no money to directly support tea party candidates.

The website, JoinTheTeaParty.us is registered to a nonprofit corporation in Mesa. When CBS 5 News reporters contacted the director of that company, they were referred to a Washington, D.C., attorney, who said the personnel in Phoenix were too busy to sit down for an interview.

CBS 5 News began its investigation into the company after receiving a phone call from an East Coast tea party activist who said nobody within the tea party movement he had spoken to had heard of the Mesa organization.

[Blue_Tires]

140. That's the other thing I hate about the teabaggers

their name is everywhere but their actual structure and organization is so nebulous that no matter who does what, they can break out the "But so-and-so was never a REAL Tea Party member!"

[Chan790]

61. Has Fox News blamed this on liberals yet?

I got some Tea weenie wants to bet me that this guy's a Democrat after I said FNC would blame liberals for this.

[Firebrand Gary]

69. Wow, and where is the media on this?

[slackmaster]

106. It was the headline on the San Diego Union-Tribune paper edition this morning

What media are you referring to?

[Kablooie]

72. He donated $300 to a tea party PAC recently.

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?last=DEKRAAI&first=SCOTT

[Vinca]

73. It would figure given their "my way or the highway" mentality.

Or lack of mentality. Nuts with weapons.

[madokie]

74. Not only that but also a trader who is driving a damn TOYota

:-)

[hexola]

79. The word is "traitor" - and a lot of Toyotas are made in USA...

Lets not sound like them...

[Major Nikon]

84. Assembled, not made

There's much more to the manufacturing process than just assembling the final product. Even some cars that most people think of as American have a majority of foreign made parts, and others are assembled in Canada or Mexico, but have a majority of domestic parts. So it's not really as cut and dried as it used to be, Toyota tends to use a majority of foreign parts, even if it's assembled here and furthermore they use non-union labor. I don't buy Toyota.

[madokie]

85. Did you not see my little smilie?

I figured that would be a dead giveaway. :hi:

Sorry 'bout the misspell. I'd not had my morning java yet, in fact I'd just gotten up out of bed and logged on

peace

[kctim]

93. To late.

[Ganja Ninja]

76. Check out the before and after pics of this guy.

Before joining the Teabag party

http://o1.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/PATCH/resize/600x450/http://hss-prod.hss.aol.com/hss/storage/patch/2a219335fc167ba0fe7fe1e8a1afe8a6

And here's after only a couple of years teabagging

http://o4.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/PATCH/resize/600x450/http://hss-prod.hss.aol.com/hss/storage/patch/c299275439972496778414cbd09d0b22

That is scary.

http://belmontshore.patch.com/articles/profile-emerges-of-suspected-salon-killer#photo-8097601

[LeftinOH]

81. Wow! Some people's looks change as they age- but that's a *complete* transformation. n/t

[slackmaster]

107. He was a victim of a tragic boating accident in 2007

http://belmontshore.patch.com/articles/profile-emerges-of-suspected-salon-killer

[Major Nikon]

86. It just goes to show you really don't know someone unless you've lived with them

Apparently his ex-wife knew of his violent side, but he managed to keep it hidden from neighbors and friends.

[slackmaster]

100. Long time friends of Scott Dekraai say his behavior changed after a gruesome tugboat accident

Jekyll and Hyde Profiles of Suspected Salon Killer

Longtime friends of Scott Dekraai say he was an endearing sportfishing captain until a gruesome accident turned him into "a ghost of who he was." Neighbors called him friendly and considerate.

When longtime friends of Scotty Dekraai saw him being hauled away by police on TV Wednesday, they scarcely recognized him at first....

He witnessed his deckhand being cut in two, and nearly lost both of his own legs.

http://belmontshore.patch.com/articles/profile-emerges-of-suspected-salon-killer

But it's so much easier to make a tragedy like this into a political issue.

[dana_b]

132. that is unimaginable

That and it seems his disputes with his ex wife over their 9 y.o. son pushed him over the edge. The son being the 9th victim, imo.
However, I can see how the attitudes of the Tea Party MAY have planted a seed in his mind that this is a way to settle disputes. They do have that whole "with the blood of tyrants" thing going on and some like to show how powerful they are with their gun toting.
I don't know. This is more complicated than a simple "oh, he was a teabagger" dismissal.

[seabeyond]

114. two and a half decades is more than a couple years. nt

[maryellen99]

87. The motive was reportedly a custody battle over their son

The victim thought if he could kill the ex-wife he would get to keep his son. Now the poor kid has lost both his parents.

[slackmaster]

89. I doubt very much that he thought that

More likely he had reached "the end of his rope" and felt there was no hope.

[maryellen99]

92. I wonder if the fathers rights groups will make him out to be a victim

They did here in the Detroit area a few years back when a man shot up a home daycare-injuring the two caregivers and killing his 3 year old daughter because he was upset at having to pay child support.

[slackmaster]

96. I'm sure they will, just as a few people on DU inevitably say "she must have been driven to it"...

...when a woman commits a heinous crime.

[maryellen99]

97. He's no victim though

And I'm sure he is looking at the Death Penalty too.

[slackmaster]

101. He's responsible for his actions, and will probably die of old age on Death Row

As do most condemned state prisoners in California.

[mstinamotorcity]

119. I remember the story

But I do not remember Father's rights group making the man out to be the victim. As I remember it, he was just a jackass that did not want to pay. And his mother was on television saying how she missed her grand daughter and she can't believe this was her son committing those crimes. And the whole city was upset and on alert until he was caught. The man went in the Daycare as a potential parent and started on his rampage to kill his own child. That was some of the saddest shit ever. Stupid man all he had to do was possibly wear a condom or pass that one up.

[kctim]

95. You all sound just like the "I bet he's Muslim" crowd

and just like them, your condemnation or support depends on the persons beliefs, not his actions.

[Chan790]

111. Beliefs are precursors to actions.

It's kosher as long as one is precise enough about one's criticism.

Does being a Muslim make one more likely to be an Islamicist terrorist? No...but being Wahhabist certainly does.
Does being a Southerner make one more likely to commit hate crimes? No...but being a good 'ole boy white-supremacist certainly does.
Does being conservative make one more likely to commit violent crimes?

Actually...that one's unclear. There are studies that show that conservatives are more likely to resort to violence to solve personal problems than moderates, centrists, liberals & far-leftists.

But...to the point I was making...there are associative repercussions to embracing the extremist fringe of conservatism the way the Tea Party has. All those far-RW loonies the Republican Party said "You're not like us...we'll welcome your votes but you are not us." the Tea Party called out to and embraced as brothers-in-arms, they internalized the violent fringe (knowing it was a violent fringe) and that makes it fair-game to say their beliefs are an endorsement of people like Jared Loughner and Scott Dekraai, even as they say "We didn't think they were being literal when they spoke of violence as a solution."

What, you thought they meant they wanted to sip apple juice from plastic tea cups with their dolls when they spoke of shooting up the local park?

Does that makes all Tea Partiers violent loons? No, but it indicates that the likelihood exists that the majority of violent loons will end up being fringe conservatives of the sort the tea party internalized...it's their tent to clean out. They seem unwilling to do it and as long as they do not, it's fair to tar them with it.

Edit: concise verbiage.

[kctim]

136. You can try and justify such profiling to yourself all you want

But it's not my style, especially for something as silly as political beliefs.

The extremes do NOT define the majority. Neither do personal opinions. And it is nothing but your personal opinion that says the Republican Party believes "you're not like us but vote for us" or that the Tea Party members promote and support violence.

You want to stereotype people of different political beliefs, go right ahead. But it is no different than saying Nadal was a muslim terrorist BEFORE any facts were know or that some black kid did the drive-by downtown because 'those people' are usually the ones who do those things.

The hypocrisy is sickening.

[Chan790]

138. I find your pollyanna-ism equally disturbing so I guess we're even.

:hi:

[AngryOldDem]

98. So what?

Eight people are dead and a kid doesn't have a mom (or a dad now, for that matter). And you want to score political points off of that?

[fascisthunter]

102. anyone surprised... not me... these are modern day brownshirts

tools of the 1%... to be a tool of the 1% and to buy all their think tank propaganda, you have to be stupid and nuts.

[slackmaster]

105. fascisthunter, I respectfully suggest that you read an article that I found about Scott Dekraai

http://belmontshore.patch.com/articles/profile-emerges-of-suspected-salon-killer

[AngryOldDem]

112. Incredibly sad.

Ultimately, we don't know what makes people snap.

On Monday, a similar tragedy happened in a town just west of where I live. A man shot his estranged wife dead in front of their three kids, then killed himself.

[slackmaster]

134. I have to speculate that the man has PTSD, and/or suffered a brain injury in 2007

It's unfortunate that he didn't get sufficient help to prevent this tragedy from happening.

[Romulox]

108. Right-wingers LOVE them Toyotas! nt

[seabeyond]

116. actually, since obama gave money to gm and chrysler, they do love the foriegn.

my brother was looking at cars for his daugher, refusing american. was a huge WTF to me. he told me, those unions....

big bad unions my ass. i have a ford. lol. you unamerican, you.

but he holds to not buying american. really odd and weird, how things have shifted with the repugs

[Romulox]

123. Toyota was the top recipient of gov't aid in the "Cash for Clunkers" program.

:shrug:

[seabeyond]

128. ha ha ha ha. lol. thanks for the info. beyond the other hypocrisy of it, this is cherry on the

top.

appreciate info

that is funny

[Zoeisright]

124. Of course he's a teabagger.

They're all about using guns.

[mstinamotorcity]

127. It really doesn't matter if he is Tea Party

or not. but the characteristics of most vocal tea party members is all about their second amendment remedies. they seem to have an eager hand to violence. When a person is distressed in their lives,critical thinking goes out the window. couple that with right-wing hate and who knows what could happen. Apparently 8 people dead is a telling factor on the way he chose to handle his anger and stress. My best wishes go to families of the victims. Will keep you in prayer.

[ThoughtCriminal]

137. He was looking for a "2nd Amendement Solution"

To his problems.

[Name removed]

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[Blue_Tires]

141. I seriously doubt his politics had anything to do with it, BUT

I bet dollars to yen that the psych profiles of the typical angry teabagger and the mass shooter wanting to teach his ex-wife and her harpy friends a lesson have a LOT of overlap...

[Wait Wut]

143. I don't give a damn about his politics.

He killed 8 innocent people. I sort of understand his emotional turmoil over his divorce (not an excuse for murder), but why the fuck would this asshole inflict his personal pain upon innocent people?

I don't care how "disturbed" he is. He's a waste of oxygen.

Fuck you, you weak, pathetic, sick fuck. You're a disgrace to our Navy and to humanity.