This is my take on why Herman Cain is being pushed by the rethugs. They all but conceeded the

[mfcorey1]

2012 election. So, they need a candidate that does not have any chance of winning so that 2016 will be wide open for Jeb Bush, who they quietly ARE preparing. If Romney were to win, they would have to run him again in 2016, thereby locking out a favored son, Bush. They also know that Perry is nothing more than a clowm and have given up on him long ago. Now, if they can just get Mitch McConnell to go along with it and get that scowl off his face. Farfetched analysis? Maybe and maybe not. Cain is definitely a shill.

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[TheWraith]

2. Well by that time, the aliens will have landed, so no big deal.

So long as we're talking about things which aren't going to happen.

[Capitalocracy]

7. You are more optimistic than I, my friend

But I sincerely hope you're right. So far it just keeps growing, right?

I do wish that later in life I could say I was there.

[coalition_unwilling]

8. Those professional politicos (Cain, Obama, Romney and the rest)

are blithely proceeding as if nothing significant has changed. They are ignoring the revolution that is occuring in their backyards. My God, are they really that dense?

I've already seen a call for a national General Assembly to convene on July 4, 2012 in Philadelphia to formulate a list of grievances. It's so like the third estate's Tennis Court Oath (1789) that anyone currently in the 1% needs to start preparing his or her escape pod now. Because we are not going away and there will be no place on Earth for the 1% to hide.

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"The Tennis Court Oath (French: serment du jeu de paume) was a pivotal event during the first days of the French Revolution. The Oath was a pledge signed by 576 of the 577 members from the Third Estate who were locked out of a meeting of the Estates-General on 20 June 1789. They made a makeshift conference room inside a tennis court located in the Saint-Louis district of Versailles (commune), near the Palace of Versailles.

On 17 June 1789 this group, led by Honoré Gabriel Riqueti, began to call themselves the National Assembly."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_Court_Oath

[MrSlayer]

9. By the time OWS realizes we already have a foot in the door with many good people in office......

and the ideas are as popular as they are, we need to add to them in Congress. Turn the tables on the astroturfers by electing people that will actually do what the 99% want. This is a tremendous opportunity to take some of it back. 99% candidates as the opposite of the Tea Party candidates. Imagine an Elizabeth Warren vs. Christine O'Donnell debate as an example. The door is open.

[coalition_unwilling]

10. I so want to go to Philadelphia on July 4, 2012 so that

"we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

[dionysus]

17. lol

[Cirque du So-What]

3. Is he getting 'pushed' by the movers & shakers in the GOOPer party?

I thought it was due strictly to straw polls and other popularity contests, which IMO shows that the rank & file are flailing about frantically for anyone to vote for besides Mitt der Shitt. Look at how many new 'favorites' they've had in just a matter of weeks. Seems the only ones who haven't had a turn in the barrel are Noot and Li'l Ricky Sanctimonium, who I suspect they find even more repulsive than Mittens.

[MrModerate]

4. I don't think Cain thinks he's a shill. I think he thinks he can walk away with the nomination.

At which time, I imagine him saying to himself, "All bets are off now . . ."

Bottom line, only Romney (and perhaps Huntsman) could possibly run a campaign that would unseat Obama. Just barely possible. And Romney's going to be the nominee, I predict.

But he'll lose, because he's really not a good campaigner, his character is extravagantly flawed, and unless he's very careful the teepers and loons in the Republican Party will hang some wildly unelectable Veep nominee around his neck (like any one of his primary opponents).

And I too can smell Jeb moldering in the wings, waiting for his moment and hoping his brother hasn't wrecked the Bush name for the next 50 years (note to Jeb: yes, he has).

But that's a stink for another day.

[pnwmom]

5. They haven't conceded 2012. As long as the economy stays in the dumps

they'll have a real chance, no matter who they run.

[HereSince1628]

11. I mostly agree, only suggesting alternate parties and independents

will also be more competitive in 2012 than usual.

Who is now playing, at the national level, the role of Jessie Ventura?

[pnwmom]

21. Maybe Bloomberg? n/t

[Kurmudgeon]

6. I agree with your analysis, expect another 2000-2004 style vote fraud in 2016.

They'd do it now except it won't be close enough for them to do it without being obvious.
All they are doing this time around is seeing who gets to be Bob Dole.

[Ship of Fools]

16. Yep -- but what you say about "without being obvious--"

I think it will lead to violence, particularly by people being given the runaround at the polls. It would be the only kind of violence that I'd ever *cheer on.* They can steal 2012, but not without repercussions.

[Kurmudgeon]

19. Agreed 100%. they've shaken the trust this democracy is built on. It could get ugly.

[lunasun]

22. plus the economy will most likely tank more/ not recover so they can still

blame it on liberals/ dems/ what have you not GOP they can come save the day 2016
I think it will be the fat man maybe bushIII

[MrScorpio]

12. My take is that they are too disorganized and crazy to know what they're doing.

If Jeb wanted to run in this election he would have.

I don't think he ever will on his own accord. Maybe as a drugged out Rovian puppet some day, but never as his own man.

The Shrub has destroyed the name brand for good.

[Raschel]

18. I agree. There's no grandious plan here. But I don't agree that it's not possible for Jeb to win

some day.

[Le Taz Hot]

13. My take is that

because the Democrats beat the the GOP to the punch by electing the first African-American president they thought by pushing an African-American candidate to the front the GOP could claim, "See, we have African-American candidates too!" Not to mention the hope they'll reel in some minority voters in the effort. Now, they know full well the TeaKlanners aren't going to vote for an African-American thereby sealing Romney's certain nomination early on, far before an actual vote is ever cast. THAT is the disturbing part and yes, the Democrats do EXACTLY the same thing. The Primaries are nothing more than a dog-and-pony show to keep the unwashed masses distracted and thinking they have some sort of actual input into the nominating process when in fact, the decision was made years ago by a mere handfull of power brokers beholden to the corporations.

[Missy Vixen]

20. The TeaKlanners won't vote for an African American candidate

However, I look for Cain to be prominent in the GOP's plans all the way up to the election. The Republicans have to make the public believe they're non-bigoted enough to make him their nominee. They won't actually do it, but they think it will win them additional African-American voters. I think there's going to be discussion re: Cain/female VP candidate, too.

It is amazing to me that Cain is so clueless and ego-driven he'd represent a party that has shown itself to be overwhelmingly racist.

Let's face it: Bachmann is still participating in their debates, and she's batshit. They're throwing whatever they can against the wall. They hope it'll stick. In the meantime, they have a front-runner who could not be less appealing (Romney). Whomever produces the ASPCA commercials needs to make one re: Romney putting the family dog on the car roof for several hundred miles, IMHO.

[Motown_Johnny]

14. Palin, Trump, Bachmann, Perry, Cain....... (R)s have attention deficit disorder

That is why any attempt to discuss issues with them must be in short declarative statements with one syllable words. Also the entire point you are trying to make must fit on a bumper sticker in characters large enough to be read from 50 feet away.


Cain is just one more distraction. The day has not come for the Republicans to nominate anyone who isn't a rich old white guy.

[Atman]

15. I suggested this yesterday...got a lot of unrecs.

But I agree...the GOP doesn't want to win this one. The economy is going to tank further, and Obama's policies aren't exactly hurting them. They don't want to sign on as the captain of the Titanic just before it hits the iceberg. Let Obama ride it down, then Jeb can be the hero with the lifeboats in '16.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=800215&mesg_id=800215

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